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| 02:37:35 | <h2ibot> | [AT] URLTeam tracker https://tracker.archiveteam.org:1338/api/health is up (200,Success) |
| 02:47:39 | <@flashfire42> | Any specific requests while I am waterboarding the tracker? |
| 02:52:47 | <@flashfire42> | maybe fireonlive has a request. I just hate editing the wiki lol |
| 02:53:16 | <fireonlive> | x3 it's a bear sometimes |
| 02:53:22 | <fireonlive> | and not the good kind |
| 02:53:26 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 02:53:34 | <@flashfire42> | kek |
| 02:54:27 | <fireonlive> | we could do aka.ms maybe but i don't know much about it other than it's microsoft-internal only and it can be given arbitrary names like https://aka.ms/remoteconnect or random ones |
| 02:54:39 | <fireonlive> | hmmm lets find a random one |
| 02:54:57 | <fireonlive> | http://aka.ms/t8y7k5 used to be one |
| 02:55:08 | <fireonlive> | invalid goes to https://www.bing.com/?ref=aka&shorturl=<id> |
| 02:56:15 | <@flashfire42> | I suppose I can play around with that a bit. Might be a bit beyond me to set up but I can try |
| 02:56:41 | <fireonlive> | might be too small potatoes |
| 02:56:44 | <fireonlive> | but sure :3 |
| 02:58:42 | <@flashfire42> | Time to watch it break |
| 02:58:56 | <fireonlive> | here's one that stll works: https://aka.ms/AAgh2el |
| 02:59:08 | <@flashfire42> | Ok do we have any cases where 302 is a good redirect? |
| 03:00:13 | <fireonlive> | hmm not that i'm seeing |
| 03:00:34 | <fireonlive> | https://aka.ms/torture - 301; spot checking some on https://github.com/microsoft/aka are 301 |
| 03:01:01 | <@flashfire42> | Alright I will operate on the assumption 302 is invalid redirect. 301 is good redirect. |
| 03:01:12 | <@flashfire42> | Oh fuck me it has extra / in there as part of the shortcode? |
| 03:02:24 | <fireonlive> | oof looks like some of them can |
| 03:02:29 | <fireonlive> | but it looks like only for named ones |
| 03:02:37 | <fireonlive> | not ones like AAgh2el etc |
| 03:04:34 | <@flashfire42> | I mean I can try adding / but I dunno how well it will go |
| 03:04:43 | <fireonlive> | hmm i'd probably ignore it for now |
| 03:04:45 | <fireonlive> | cause.... |
| 03:04:46 | <fireonlive> | https://aka.ms/SecurityCommunity/MS/Ninja |
| 03:04:47 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 03:05:39 | <@flashfire42> | I mean yeah but we could miss some otherwise. assuming it doesnt make the tracker shit the bed it should be ok |
| 03:05:49 | <fireonlive> | ah ye |
| 03:06:18 | <@flashfire42> | Alright attempt number 2 with / in the alphabet and 302 is bad 301 is good |
| 03:06:28 | <fireonlive> | ^_^ |
| 03:07:00 | <@flashfire42> | No error reports we look to be running smoothly. Now to add it to the wiki..... |
| 03:07:01 | <@flashfire42> | I guess |
| 03:07:03 | <@flashfire42> | fuck |
| 03:07:28 | <fireonlive> | looks like we're picking up a bunch already |
| 03:08:05 | <@flashfire42> | WTF microsoft https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/20bbd6a016b7a8c6/image.png |
| 03:08:08 | <@flashfire42> | a redirect to a redirect |
| 03:08:11 | <@flashfire42> | you are better than this |
| 03:08:39 | <@flashfire42> | aka.ms/ey |
| 03:08:41 | <fireonlive> | hahaha |
| 03:08:49 | <fireonlive> | yeah... they seem to do that sometimes |
| 03:08:50 | <@flashfire42> | https://aka.ms/eyprocesspay |
| 03:09:01 | <fireonlive> | like torture goes to learning or something now |
| 03:09:03 | <@flashfire42> | Aka.ms/ey redirects to https://aka.ms/eyprocesspay which THEN redirects somewhere else |
| 03:09:14 | <fireonlive> | lol wow |
| 03:09:24 | <fireonlive> | i guess it's less urls to keep up to date or something? |
| 03:09:33 | <fireonlive> | but o_O |
| 03:10:11 | <fireonlive> | i take it that view is admin-only? |
| 03:10:16 | <@flashfire42> | ok that is cursed aka.ms/ox redirects to a mail thing? |
| 03:10:21 | <@flashfire42> | Yeah that view is on the tracker admin end |
| 03:10:46 | <fireonlive> | ah ok |
| 03:11:13 | <fireonlive> | huh, yeah mailto: |
| 03:11:30 | <fireonlive> | not even a @microsoft.co |
| 03:11:31 | <fireonlive> | m |
| 03:12:21 | <fireonlive> | there's a really cursed old shortener i just remembered |
| 03:12:22 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 03:12:49 | <fireonlive> | go.microsoft.com: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?linkid=2168157 |
| 03:13:24 | <fireonlive> | at least that one is only numbers? and 301 succ 302 bad |
| 03:13:27 | <fireonlive> | it seems |
| 03:14:02 | <fireonlive> | it's microsoft's old school shortener before aka.ms was birthed |
| 03:16:15 | <fireonlive> | coulda sworn it had .dll in the URL there in the past but i guess not anymore |
| 03:16:16 | <fireonlive> | x3 |
| 03:20:35 | <@flashfire42> | aka.ms/1s/ is a valid url so I am glad that we added / after all |
| 03:20:45 | <@flashfire42> | http://aka.ms/1s |
| 03:23:06 | <fireonlive> | hmm |
| 03:23:17 | <fireonlive> | /1s/ seems to be the same as /1s? |
| 03:23:37 | <fireonlive> | same with /ox and /ox/ |
| 03:24:10 | <@flashfire42> | An expected issue. It will take for it to be aka.ms/a/a/ for example before it is different |
| 03:24:51 | <fireonlive> | ah i see what you were meaning there |
| 03:27:22 | <fireonlive> | flashfire42: good news, wiki is down |
| 03:27:24 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 03:27:39 | <fireonlive> | did you ddos it :P |
| 03:27:46 | <@flashfire42> | lmfao. when I was hoping to not add this to the wiki I didnt want the whole thing to go down |
| 03:28:38 | <fireonlive> | xD |
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| 03:29:46 | <@flashfire42> | hmmm it looks like these aka.ms stuff might not be case sensitive |
| 03:30:40 | <@flashfire42> | Bahahaha they arent case sensitive |
| 03:30:55 | <@flashfire42> | Hmm do I restart it or leave it as is. |
| 03:31:10 | <fireonlive> | hmmm |
| 03:31:17 | <fireonlive> | lowering search space might be nice |
| 03:31:53 | <@flashfire42> | But due to the way the sequence numbers work it might need to be requed from 0 again |
| 03:32:02 | <fireonlive> | ah :c |
| 03:32:50 | <fireonlive> | hmm we've 'only' done 11k |
| 03:33:46 | <fireonlive> | looks like he's murdered it :3 |
| 03:34:21 | <@flashfire42> | hahaha I removed it from the queue for a minute while I think about it |
| 03:34:38 | <@flashfire42> | I just wanted to see if there are any cases where it would be beneficial to have both upper and lowercase saved |
| 03:34:47 | <@flashfire42> | https://aka.ms/AAgh2el |
| 03:34:51 | <@flashfire42> | https://aka.ms/aAgh2el |
| 03:35:00 | <@flashfire42> | these are the same things |
| 03:35:23 | <fireonlive> | i guess these aren't going to WBM eh |
| 03:35:38 | <fireonlive> | but that doesn't respect case sensivitity anyways |
| 03:36:03 | <fireonlive> | it would make it easier for someone doing a quick search with a valid URL... but if they know it's not casecs... |
| 03:36:18 | <@flashfire42> | No they arent going to wayback atm. I do believe that datechnoman sometimes feeds outlinks from urlteam to the urls project |
| 03:36:19 | <fireonlive> | (or if it becomes casecs later [lord please no]) |
| 03:36:41 | <datechnoman> | Yeah I do batches when the queue us low in #// |
| 03:36:56 | <@flashfire42> | Yeah thats my core worry that it becomes case sensitive later on. We already have these weird edge cases with / being in valid shorturls because microsoft is on crack |
| 03:36:59 | <datechnoman> | There are just waaaaay to many to archive in #// |
| 03:37:43 | <fireonlive> | hmm |
| 03:37:56 | <fireonlive> | might be best to prevent against crack-addled microsoft i suppose then |
| 03:38:21 | <fireonlive> | it does seem to be their shortener of the future™ |
| 03:38:52 | <@flashfire42> | I will re enable and keep most upper case and lower case ranges. the only place this really goes atm is the urls project and the bloom filter will kick in on any of the duplicates I am sure |
| 03:39:05 | <fireonlive> | let's hope "Montserrat, a British Overseas Territory" never has issues in the future for them lol |
| 03:39:16 | <fireonlive> | :) sounds good |
| 03:39:43 | <fireonlive> | "Intended use: Entities connected with Montserrat" "Actual use: Used by a number of sites, a few of which are in Montserrat; occasionally used by Microsoft for link shortening" |
| 03:39:45 | <fireonlive> | lol |
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| 04:51:52 | <@flashfire42> | fireonlive if you are willing to do the additions to the wiki is there any more shorteners you want me to push while you have me actually being mildly productive |
| 04:52:24 | <fireonlive> | may as well do go.microsoft, it seems tiny enough |
| 04:52:28 | <fireonlive> | and it's a lot of historic links |
| 04:53:50 | <@flashfire42> | Is it only numerical? |
| 04:55:08 | <fireonlive> | from what i've seen yes |
| 04:56:29 | <fireonlive> | the legacy? format 'http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=' also exists, but the /p/ one seems newer? both seem to return the same content so i guess go with new lol |
| 04:57:33 | <fireonlive> | also see linkid vs LinkId but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 04:58:36 | <@flashfire42> | That seems to be not be case sensitive either I would ,probably do LinkID or linkID to make it look prettier |
| 04:59:15 | <fireonlive> | LinkID works |
| 04:59:17 | <fireonlive> | https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/Xaw7M/1691125114.png |
| 04:59:22 | <fireonlive> | here's a print book example |
| 04:59:49 | <@flashfire42> | Yeah LinkID looks prettiest tbh. and if its not case sensitive. |
| 04:59:50 | <fireonlive> | from... https://books.google.ca/books?id=UUVYDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA17&ots=WweFSqz644&dq=%22go.microsoft.com%22&pg=PR1#v=onepage&q=%22go.microsoft.com%22&f=false |
| 05:00:46 | <fireonlive> | the D seems good |
| 05:01:35 | <@flashfire42> | Alright I will do a final once over to make sure there arent gonna be any annoying alphabet characters that I will run across then push it to start |
| 05:01:41 | <fireonlive> | no idea what /p/ is for |
| 05:01:47 | <fireonlive> | older links seem to exclude it |
| 05:02:32 | <fireonlive> | opting for /fwlink/?LinkID=420 instead of /fwlink/p/?LinkID=420 |
| 05:02:39 | <fireonlive> | what a.. fun site :D |
| 05:02:51 | <@flashfire42> | ok so does the p work for the older urls tho? |
| 05:02:54 | <@flashfire42> | and vice versa? |
| 05:03:21 | <@flashfire42> | http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=506828 |
| 05:03:29 | <@flashfire42> | http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=506828 |
| 05:04:01 | <@flashfire42> | They seem to resolve the same way with and without the p |
| 05:04:10 | <fireonlive> | indeed, both seem to work |
| 05:04:42 | <fireonlive> | i tried to load up windows 95/2000 in my browser or something to see if i could find some embedded go.* links but didn't have a good time there lol |
| 05:05:09 | <fireonlive> | iirc their OS also used those in the past in help files, in panels, etc |
| 05:05:25 | <fireonlive> | for fun i'd make it https tho |
| 05:05:27 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
| 05:06:31 | <@flashfire42> | Yeah https would be best but with or without the p is the real question now. Most of the links I see picked up by search engines include the p however it also appears to be redundant |
| 05:07:22 | <fireonlive> | the only non-p example i have is from that one book |
| 05:07:26 | <fireonlive> | oh and hm |
| 05:07:34 | <fireonlive> | some more from google as well |
| 05:07:39 | <fireonlive> | just searching "go.microsoft.com" |
| 05:08:36 | <@flashfire42> | Given that its purely numerical we could likely get through both spaces in a matter of a few weeks both p and not p |
| 05:09:05 | <fireonlive> | https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=go.microsoft.com |
| 05:09:09 | <fireonlive> | looks like some more without /p/ |
| 05:09:16 | <@flashfire42> | Until this becomes a WARC project we may as well just do it without the p |
| 05:09:26 | <fireonlive> | then there's one from 2013 with it??? |
| 05:09:33 | <fireonlive> | 🙃 🔫 |
| 05:09:35 | <@flashfire42> | unless you have an objection for that? |
| 05:09:37 | <fireonlive> | enterprise please |
| 05:09:41 | <fireonlive> | nah that soudns good to me :) |
| 05:10:11 | <fireonlive> | bing showed https://go.microsoft.com/?LinkId=XXXX but that turned out to be a red herring lol |
| 05:10:17 | <fireonlive> | (doesn't work for existing IDs) |
| 05:10:38 | <@flashfire42> | Tracker go brrrrrrr |
| 05:10:39 | <fireonlive> | (via https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/httpgomicrosoftcomlinkid9737449/535f60f4-6110-4c31-b05f-51d139afb2b2) |
| 05:10:42 | <fireonlive> | :D sweet |
| 05:11:00 | <fireonlive> | *clicks save* |
| 05:12:03 | <@flashfire42> | May take maybe 5-10 minutes before it reaches a space that resolves to a url but it looks to be running fine |
| 05:13:29 | <fireonlive> | :) |
| 05:14:35 | <fireonlive> | tidbit: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=abcd sends me to bing with an 'linkid' of 0 |
| 05:14:45 | <fireonlive> | or any number with a letter in it as well |
| 05:14:52 | <fireonlive> | so good sign? |
| 05:18:05 | <fireonlive> | *waits for microsoft to pop* |
| 05:19:34 | <@flashfire42> | lol dont say that. do we wanna push it by adding a third project for today? |
| 05:20:07 | <fireonlive> | :P hmmm none bubble to the top of my mind at the moment |
| 05:20:45 | <fireonlive> | i did find an example of a linkid being used in windows, though they were lazy with it: https://twitter.com/XenoPanther/status/1668276978594590723 |
| 05:21:47 | <fireonlive> | bonus: 2-in-1: https://twitter.com/teroalhonen/status/1455572200015159308 |
| 05:24:21 | <fireonlive> | ooh, apple has one lol |
| 05:24:36 | <fireonlive> | ah, run by bitly |
| 05:26:05 | <@flashfire42> | Yeah bit.ly are the same 99% of the time I rarely run them seperalty |
| 05:26:31 | <fireonlive> | looks like apple's doesn't share the same namespace |
| 05:27:30 | <fireonlive> | https://bit.ly/us-login vs http://apple.co/us-login |
| 05:29:11 | <fireonlive> | https://apple.co/3XH0GMR 301 on success, 302 to http(!!) http://www.apple.com/ on failure |
| 05:30:34 | <@flashfire42> | I can but its only gonna be like that for a small namespace the rest will likely match up with bitly stuff. I dont run bitly aliases unless we are desperate for work and I think telegram has been chugging along as a good alternative to work as of late |
| 05:30:35 | <fireonlive> | 301 to http://www.apple.com if you include a / lol |
| 05:30:47 | <fireonlive> | ye, no worries |
| 05:30:52 | <fireonlive> | one less wiki for me to edit too ;) |
| 05:30:56 | <@flashfire42> | kek |
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| 05:39:17 | <@flashfire42> | Son of a bitch |
| 05:39:29 | <fireonlive> | you rang? |
| 05:40:04 | <@flashfire42> | https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?linkid=239 with a p resolves |
| 05:40:08 | <@flashfire42> | https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=239 |
| 05:40:21 | <@flashfire42> | but this for some reason wasnt picked up in our scrape |
| 05:40:51 | <fireonlive> | hmm both work for me herer |
| 05:40:54 | <fireonlive> | here* |
| 05:41:00 | <fireonlive> | tried non-p first |
| 05:41:27 | <@flashfire42> | ok they both resolve for me to then why didnt it pick up in the scrapes |
| 05:42:14 | <fireonlive> | hmm |
| 05:43:10 | <fireonlive> | oh it's a 302 |
| 05:43:19 | <fireonlive> | HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily |
| 05:43:19 | <fireonlive> | Content-Length: 0 |
| 05:43:19 | <fireonlive> | Server: Kestrel |
| 05:43:19 | <fireonlive> | Location: https://www.learningally.org/ |
| 05:43:53 | <@flashfire42> | Ok I see the issue |
| 05:43:58 | <@flashfire42> | the p stands for permanent |
| 05:44:00 | <@flashfire42> | at a guess |
| 05:44:04 | <fireonlive> | so they use a mix of both 301 and 302 on success |
| 05:44:15 | <fireonlive> | yup |
| 05:44:18 | <fireonlive> | you are correct |
| 05:44:30 | <fireonlive> | why the fuck is that a feature |
| 05:44:52 | <@flashfire42> | I mean just with a limited sample size the p means permanent and 301. we ignored the 302s because they are the ones that redirect to the bad redirect. but for some fucked up reason p means permanent |
| 05:44:53 | <fireonlive> | 'http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=506828' → HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily; 'http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=506828' → 'HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently' |
| 05:45:02 | <@flashfire42> | So I will restart with p in the url |
| 05:45:05 | <@flashfire42> | thats fucked man |
| 05:45:07 | <@flashfire42> | and cursed |
| 05:45:11 | <@flashfire42> | JAA come see the fucked up thing |
| 05:45:12 | <fireonlive> | yeah o_o |
| 05:45:54 | <@flashfire42> | Alright lets try that again |
| 05:46:16 | <@flashfire42> | THATS BETTER |
| 05:46:46 | <@flashfire42> | Now we are cooking with gas |
| 05:46:50 | <@flashfire42> | that is so fucking cursed |
| 05:47:22 | <fireonlive> | :D yay |
| 05:47:41 | <fireonlive> | did we start scan over from beginning? |
| 05:47:51 | <@flashfire42> | we may wanna be careful if we feed these into urls tho there are a bunch of ftps linked |
| 05:47:52 | <@flashfire42> | ftp://rs.internic.net/domain/named.root |
| 05:47:55 | <@flashfire42> | for example |
| 05:48:01 | <@flashfire42> | and yes we did restart from the start |
| 05:48:03 | <fireonlive> | oh interesting |
| 05:48:06 | <fireonlive> | and awesome :3 |
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| 06:42:53 | <@flashfire42> | ok those are both chugging along nicely if anyone wants anymore added let me know |
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| 19:22:30 | <@JAA> | Microsoft doing Microsoft things, sounds about right. :-) |
| 19:44:57 | <fireonlive> | someone who's been working there for 40 years appears from the ether and moans 'backwards compatibility' before disappearing |
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| 21:47:03 | <@JAA> | Yup. 'But what if someone wants to resolve the shortlink with our proprietary awful thing we included with DOS‽' |
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| 22:30:23 | <fireonlive> | lool 😓 |
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| 23:15:50 | <fireonlive> | 292,241 urls for go.microsoft.com and climbing rapidly! |