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00:05:32<Ryz>Hey phuzion, is it possible to change 'Shortener Settings' while the project is running?
00:05:50<Ryz>Somebody2, I don't think you read my concerns regarding ed-gr... s:
00:10:09<Somebody2>Ryz: huh, did I miss them?
00:10:42<Somebody2>I admit, my attention is ... somewhat lacking sometimes. :-)
00:10:44<Ryz>The reason I did not immediately ran ed-gr is that one instance is that https://ed.gr/nc9Z and https://ed.gr/nc9z are considered the same URL
00:10:59<Somebody2>Eh, that's not actually a big problem.
00:11:18<Ryz>Uppercase and lowercase character letters are interchangeable and not unique
00:11:31<Somebody2>It'll slow things a bit (which is fine), and we'll get duplication, but <shrug> it's not that much data.
00:11:42<Somebody2>Or we could just strip out the uppercase from the alphabet.
00:12:06<Ryz>I was asking if we should get both versions regardless or strip the uppercase from the alphabet
00:12:16<Somebody2>Ah, I'd go with both versions
00:12:32<Somebody2>At least, until we get thru 4 characters.
00:12:41<Somebody2>Maybe for 5 and 6 we'll just do lowercase
00:12:45<Somebody2>to speed it up
00:13:25<Somebody2>Like, we've already made it to n
00:13:36<Somebody2>We should be done with the 4 character ones in a day or two
00:15:49<Somebody2>Added HTTP 502 to git-io Unavailable codes
00:19:59<Ryz>Hey folks, I have https://alme.re/3rh5rOI - when checking https://alme.re/ - it reveals itself to be a Bit.ly thingy (even more so when doing https://alme.re/3rh5rOI+ ),
00:20:19<Ryz>I was informed that I should not add it as a project because it would share the same ID as Bit.ly in general,
00:20:49<Ryz>But when I did it as https://bit.ly/3rh5rOI it doesn't work
00:21:17<Ryz>Am I able to run this as a separate project?
00:21:51<@JAA>Yeah, that's what I meant the other day, apparently custom site codes no longer work on bit.ly and vice-versa.
00:22:50<@JAA>Which would mean we'd have to scan the full keyspace on every bit.ly alias for proper coverage, but bit.ly alone is already too big to fully cover...
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02:02:46<Ryz>So JAA and/or phuzion, on chng.it - I'm pondering whether to just not process https://chng.it/ IDs anymore even more (the project already stopped), because sampling on https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://chng.it/* - it's a 8 character letter ID, which is oof, might take too long and out of reach
02:03:26<@JAA>'might' :-)
02:04:42<@JAA>Eight characters of alphanumeric digits is 218 trillion combinations. Not even 1000 times more than all snapshots in the WBM. :-)
02:05:48<Ryz>Yeah s:
02:06:07<@JAA>Basically, six digits is doable but takes a long time, and anything beyond is impossible. That's for 0-9a-zA-Z.
02:07:06<Ryz>If you put it that way, welp~
02:07:52<Ryz>Would it be better to just delete the project in that case? It looks like it would have to be stored in the 'Alive' section of https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/URLTeam almost forever
02:08:04<Ryz>...There's even ones that have 10 character letter IDs
02:27:28<Ryz>Gonna probably work on a couple of URL shorteners
02:28:23<Ryz>To go for better workflow, I will post what I'm doing all in one piece; gonna type it all in the text file, that's my workspace, and and then post it all here
02:28:41<Ryz>I will say this: Starting project zc-vg ( https://zc.vg/0GMqC )
02:32:00<Ryz>Checked https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://zc.vg/* - usual alphabet, no - or _ weirdness
02:32:00<Ryz>URL template is https://zc.vg/{shortcode} - there's a HTTP version, but HTTPS will override it
02:32:00<Ryz>For redirect method, checking https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222521977/ - it's a 302 Redirect
02:32:00<Ryz>For when there's an invalid ID, checking https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222522010/ - it gives a 302 Redirect and instead redirects to https://campaigns.zoho.com/InvalidShortURL.zc - which means I'll have to type up a "Location header reject regular expression"
02:33:13<Ryz>Entry on Location header reject regular expression: https?://campaigns\.zoho\.com/InvalidShortURL\.zc$
02:34:05<Ryz>Hmm, reading the error page, "Our server can not find the page you requested. You might have typed the link incorrectly or used an outdated link. Please check the link once again.", the phrase 'outdated link', wondering if that means the URL ID can be deactivated or something...
02:35:57<Ryz>Running it~
02:37:26<Ryz>It's looking good, the "Location header reject regular expression" thing I filled it seems to be followed properly
02:37:50<Ryz>Woo, nice, I see results, happy happy o:
02:38:13<Ryz>More of a trickle but still valid and good o:
03:11:12<@phuzion>Ryz: Yes it's possible to change the settings while it's running, but any outstanding claims will still be out with the old settings.
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03:15:03<Ryz>Hey phuzion, you available? I have 2 URL shorteners that I need some help with
03:15:24<@phuzion>sup
03:15:31<Ryz>Or rather one URL shortener with 2 variants
03:15:40<@phuzion>alright, give em to me
03:15:55<Ryz>mpg-smh-re ( https://mpg.smh.re/2jC3 )
03:15:58<Ryz>For valid, https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222522124/ - uhh, interesting, it's a 200, which means it's not the usual redirect thing at all; it's supposed to redirect to https://jobs.morganphilips.com/es-es/contable-barcelona-133329?utm_campaign=611bbe77e785860001cdddbf&utm_content=625006aed5d5300001c509af&utm_medium=smarpshare&utm_source=twitter
03:16:02<Ryz>This is the offending part S:
03:16:44<@phuzion>ok so
03:17:06<@phuzion>what appears to be happening is a redirect in the client, likely using javascript
03:17:11<@phuzion>rather than using an HTTP redirect
03:17:15<Ryz>If I'm able to do this, I can also finish up eu-smh-re ( https://eu.smh.re/008p )
03:18:43<Ryz>Oh, so I'll have to use "Content body regular expression" then s:
03:18:49<@phuzion>Yeah sounds like it
03:18:58<@phuzion>Assuming that the destination URL is served in the content body.
03:19:18<@phuzion>If it's not, and it's dependent on javascript hitting another endpoint or something, it might require custom code.
03:19:24<Ryz>Checking the view source of https://mpg.smh.re/2jC3
03:19:28<Ryz> <link rel="prefetch prerender canonical" href="https://jobs.morganphilips.com/es-es/contable-barcelona-133329?utm_campaign=611bbe77e785860001cdddbf&amp;utm_content=625006aed5d5300001c509af&amp;utm_medium=smarpshare&amp;utm_source=twitter">
03:19:44<Ryz>Clean one it seems, no '\' infecting it
03:20:26<@phuzion>Yeah that should work then. Assuming that <link rel> tag is consistent, you should be able to snag that with a client body regex.
03:21:10<Ryz>What would be the suggested text for this?
03:21:18<@phuzion>Are you familiar with regular expressions?
03:22:19<@JAA>Does that handle the HTML entity encoding, e.g. &amp;?
03:22:43<Ryz>Uhhh, basic or from me doing a lot of ignores at ARchiveBot, with the help of the original dashboard's premade ignores
03:42:53<Ryz>phuzion? oo;
03:43:42<@phuzion>Ryz: Basically, what you want to do is write a regex that will capture the URL and only the URL from the HTML body.
03:46:03<Ryz>Hmm, well, I'm not too sure how to wrap my head around that since I do ignores in ArchiveBot jobs
03:46:35<Ryz>The dumbest thing I can think of is: <link rel="prefetch prerender canonical" href=".*"> >_>;
03:48:29<@JAA>phuzion: Good luck, I've been trying to get Ryz to learn regex for years now over in #archivebot. :-P
03:48:57<Ryz>Sssssssh, at least I'm learning in pieces, even if it's so dumb <.<;
03:49:12<@phuzion>JAA: Me teaching someone regex would be like a blind driving instructor whose only concept of a car is "i think it has wheels and i know it goes vroom"
03:49:32<@phuzion>Ryz: regex101.com is a good tool that you can use to experiment with regex and learn what you're doing and why it's doing what it's doing.
03:51:43<Ryz>Trying to wrap it around in the context of having the bot find something rather than ignore a link~
03:59:38<Ryz>Am I supposed to do a match or a substitution for this?
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04:03:32<Ryz>phuzion?
04:03:48<@phuzion>Not sure, looking now.
04:04:01<@phuzion>My guess would be a match but don't quote me on that yet
04:04:45<Ryz>Because uhh, trying to deal with regex mixed with HTML, uhh, that's steps above the usual ignoring at ArchiveBot
04:08:31<@phuzion>Ryz: I'm not 100% sure but this might work? <link rel=\"prefetch prerender canonical\" href=\"(.+)\">
04:09:13<@phuzion>I used the dlvr-it project as a reference, and roughly based my regex off of how that one looks.
04:09:57<Ryz>Checking via https://regex101.com/ - it seems to work; I know .+, but I never seen it used when it came to being sealed by ( ) at all O_o;
04:10:39<Ryz>The test string being:
04:10:40<Ryz> <link rel="prefetch prerender canonical" href="https://jobs.morganphilips.com/es-es/contable-barcelona-133329?utm_campaign=611bbe77e785860001cdddbf&amp;utm_content=625006aed5d5300001c509af&amp;utm_medium=smarpshare&amp;utm_source=twitter">
04:13:25<@phuzion>Ryz: Try a few different ones, and see how they work.
04:13:52<Ryz>Oh, different examples of the URLs to extract from?
04:13:59<@phuzion>Yeah
04:14:57<Ryz>Let's see...
04:19:55<Ryz>http://mpg.smh.re/0Tz3 - https://mpg.smh.re/0zAZ - https://mpg.smh.re/1-Hn - https://mpg.smh.re/1_9Q - https://mpg.smh.re/1HA3 - https://mpg.smh.re/225d
04:20:16<Ryz>They all seem to be contained as per the regex you made phuzion
04:20:24<Ryz>The links I sampled from https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://mpg.smh.re/*
04:21:44<@phuzion>Set it up, enable it for a moment to let a few jobs go out, disable it again, and watch the results come in.
04:21:56<@phuzion>Ryz: Did you set up the alphabet properly on that project?
04:22:03<Ryz>Gimme a moment o:
04:22:15<Ryz>I haven't set up the project yet
04:22:34<Ryz>I typed the instructions on what to do on Notepad++ in order to increase workflow
04:23:16<Ryz>While I punch in the instructions, do you think I should delete off the chng-it project? Since talking to JAA, I found out it's a 8 character letter ID (sometimes 10)
04:23:37<@phuzion>Leave it disabled for now. It's set up, but outside of the scope of what we can check.
04:23:50<Ryz>Mhm~
04:24:01<@flashfire42>Dont delete any projects guys.....
04:24:12<@flashfire42>Disable it and mark it on the wiki as dead if its dead
04:24:19<Ryz>I was gonna also say let's do a review on all the existing projects to see if they need to see if they should be resumed or not
04:24:44<Ryz>The projects don't seem to have notes, which makes it hard to tell if they're supposed to be considered finish
04:25:17<Ryz>Here's what I typed up for the latest project:
04:25:17<Ryz>Starting mpg-smh-re ( https://mpg.smh.re/2jC3 )
04:25:17<Ryz>Checking https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://mpg.smh.re/* - alphabet is the usual default, wait a minute, I see - and _ - welp, time to change it
04:25:17<Ryz>https://mpg.smh.re/{shortcode}
04:25:17<Ryz>For valid, https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222522124/ - uhh, interesting, it's a 200, which means it's not the usual redirect thing at all; it's supposed to redirect to https://jobs.morganphilips.com/es-es/contable-barcelona-133329?utm_campaign=611bbe77e785860001cdddbf&utm_content=625006aed5d5300001c509af&utm_medium=smarpshare&utm_source=twitter
04:25:17<Ryz>For invalid, https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222522159/ - it's a 400
04:25:18<Ryz>(((in progress)))
04:26:25<Ryz>So for unavailable status codes, I would have to leave it blank, delete the 200, since that's for the redirect
04:28:37<Ryz>phuzion, I set up the project, please check the "Shortener Settings" if I did something wrong with this
04:28:50<@phuzion>Gimme a few minutes and I’ll look.
04:42:44<@phuzion>Ryz: Looks good so far, I enabled it for a second to see if we get any results.
04:43:03<@phuzion>Yeah the regex failed for some reason.
04:44:08<@phuzion>flashfire42: You around to troubleshoot a regex?
04:44:19<Ryz>Does that mean we have to extend to everything else in the redirect page?
04:44:31<@phuzion>No, we probably just need to tweak the regex.
04:44:32<Ryz>The only other thing I can think of that may trip the project is those two space bars
04:44:52<Ryz>That's a thing in every of the JS redirect
04:50:55<@phuzion>Figured it out.
04:50:59<@flashfire42>Oh I am sorry I am awake whats up
04:51:11<@flashfire42>regex aint my expertise but I have a rough idea
04:51:11<@phuzion>I think we figured out the issue, gonna fire off a test real quick
04:51:31<@phuzion>Ryz: It looks like you used / instead of \
04:51:49<@phuzion>wait
04:52:07<@flashfire42>https://linkjust.com/
04:52:16<@flashfire42>https://exe.io/
04:52:49<Ryz>Huh? I used the one you gave me exactly phuzion
04:52:59<@phuzion>Ryz: Nevermind, the tracker converted \ to /
04:53:14<@phuzion>and it looks like we don't need to escape " in the tracker
04:53:59<Ryz>That's so weird s:
04:54:51<@flashfire42>I come across all sorts of link shorteners from various sketchy sources
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04:55:25<@phuzion>I think it would be useful to have a bot in here where we could be like !shortener https://foo.bar and it adds it to the wiki page or something.
04:55:56<@flashfire42>I wish. I just dump them here and occasionally go back through logs and add them to the unsorted page
04:56:20<Ryz>flashfire42, sketchy loot o#o;
04:56:22<@flashfire42>Collecting URL shorteners was a side project of mine for a short time. As was the FTP list before they removed FTP support from most browsers
04:57:05<Ryz>Mmm :C
04:57:06<Ryz>Lost loot
04:57:25<@flashfire42>Not lost just not easy to access anymore
04:57:31<@flashfire42>any standard FTP client can still do it
04:57:51<Ryz>More difficult loot then ;-;
04:57:51<@flashfire42>WGET just hates FTP. ~~I think thats the one it is might be WPULL~~
04:58:45<Ryz>Are we good to go phyzion?
04:58:49<Ryz>*phuzion
04:58:52<@phuzion>No
04:59:21<Ryz>Oh?
04:59:32<@phuzion>Working on it
04:59:34<@phuzion>Fixing the regex
05:00:27<@phuzion>flashfire42: is delete queue safe to use on a project that hasn't technically started?
05:00:33<Ryz>Aaaaah, okay~
05:00:34<@phuzion>in the sense that we don't have any results
05:00:40<@flashfire42>Yes
05:00:44<@flashfire42>should be.
05:01:11<@phuzion>Ok. I keep getting "AttributeError: 'HTMLParser' object has no attribute 'unescape'"
05:01:23<@phuzion>In the error reports
05:01:28<Ryz>If we can manage to make this work, not only that and https://eu.smh.re/ would be processed, but any URL shortener under https://smh.re/ would also be covered
05:02:50<@flashfire42>which project is it phuzion
05:03:03<@phuzion>https://tracker.archiveteam.org:1338/project/mpg-smh-re/settings
05:03:11<@phuzion>oh hang on
05:03:28<@phuzion>would it be because we have 200 as a redirect status code?
05:03:39<@flashfire42>you wanna start it from the very start?
05:03:54<@phuzion>Well, I wanna figure out what's going on first before we wipe the project
05:04:29<@flashfire42>301 302 303 307 200 are all of these valid redirect codes?
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05:05:08<@flashfire42>You check using Curl which are actually in use then when you start it you wait til it runs into an error to see if there are other status codes that it encounters
05:06:07<@phuzion>Well, a 200 is what you get with a redirect. But it happens with javascript, so we're not looking at the redirect header.
05:06:12<@phuzion>Similar to how dlvr-it works
05:06:26<@phuzion>And that project has 200 in the unavailable status codes box
05:06:58<@flashfire42>Oh lord Javascript redirects? this is why I only ever added very simple shorteners
05:06:58<Ryz>Yeah, I removed 200 from "Unavailable status codes" because otherwise it would get skipped or discarded
05:07:07<@flashfire42>theres is a reason we never did adfly
05:07:32<@phuzion>flashfire42: It's very simple, the destination URL is in the HTML of the page you load.
05:07:57<@phuzion>Nice, lttr-ai's queue is starting at "Jedi" as of the last time I reloaded the projects page
05:08:07<@phuzion>https://phuzion.s-ul.eu/w4STOqkK.png
05:08:18<Ryz>lol nice
05:08:45<@phuzion>I'm gonna retry this with 200 in the unavailable status codes and see if it picks things up that way.
05:10:38<@JAA>flashfire42: Both wget and wpull have poor FTP support. wpull is the one that crashes on any error though.
05:15:40<@phuzion>Yeah I'm not gonna lie, I'm stumped on this one Ryz
05:16:02<Ryz>Awww this really sucks...
05:16:22<Ryz>Are there other projects that had to deal with javascript?
05:16:31<Ryz>Not the ones with custom code necessarily
05:17:19<@phuzion>I mean, dlvr-it doesn't do an HTTP redirect, but gives the URL to redirect to directly in the HTTP body, so you can use that as a starting point.
05:24:51<Ryz>Hmm, it's hard to tell how exactly it works since it's not a Javascript redirect anymore for me to look into it easier
05:26:33<Ryz>Hmm, maybe I can fix prefetch prerender canonical\" href=\"(.+)\"> into prefetch prerender canonical" href="(.+)">
05:26:43<Ryz>Since dlvr-it had it like that for some weird reason
05:27:54<Ryz>Gonna run it again phuzion >#<;
05:28:55<@phuzion>Go for it
05:29:39<@phuzion>Nope, no luck
05:29:46<Ryz>Nope, it still didn't work...
05:29:58<@phuzion>We're getting two errors: UnexpectedNoResult: Unexpectedly did not get a body result for u'https://mpg.smh.re/wQ'
05:30:06<@phuzion>AttributeError: 'HTMLParser' object has no attribute 'unescape'
05:30:22<@phuzion>Ryz: I think it's time to put this one down until someone who understands things a bit better can chime in.
05:30:29<Ryz>Is this supposed to be this finnicky? :c
05:30:32<Ryz>Oof, probably...
05:31:17<Ryz>Well, I guess one URL shortener I can do is pst-cr ( https://pst.cr/AqsBL )
05:32:11<Ryz>phuzion, you think it's worth reviewing the other projects to see if it's worth running again?
05:32:35<@phuzion>Not yet.
05:33:39<Ryz>Hmm oo;
05:34:20<@phuzion>exe.io has a recaptcha so that's probably a no-go
05:34:22<Ryz>Checking https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://pst.cr/* - usual alphabet; though curious on always seeing the IDs in 5 character letters
05:35:13<@JAA>As far as I can tell, `AttributeError: 'HTMLParser' object has no attribute 'unescape'` is a bug in the terroroftinytown code.
05:35:23<Ryz>For valid, https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222523410/ - 301 Redirect
05:35:29<@JAA>Specifically, it's using a method of HTMLParser that was never part of the public API and removed at some point.
05:35:53<@JAA>https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/v2.7.18/Lib/HTMLParser.py#L445
05:36:28<@phuzion>JAA: Any idea why we keep triggering it on mpg-smh-re?
05:36:32<@JAA>It was removed a couple years ago, first released in 3.9: https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/fae0ed5099de594a9204071d555cb8b76368cbf4
05:36:42<@JAA>So it gets triggered on any worker that uses Python 3.9 or higher.
05:37:00<@phuzion>huh
05:37:38<Ryz>Although, I do notice it seems to redirect to https://byq6z.app.goo.gl/AqsBL - checked another one https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222523424/ - https://byq6z.app.goo.gl/14ZLC - this is unusual
05:37:45<@JAA>That commit claims that it was 'undocumented and deprecated since Python 3.4', but I can't find it in the 3.3 docs either, and it was always marked as internal in a comment in the code...
05:37:50<@JAA>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
05:37:57<Ryz>Are all of https://pst.cr/ redirect to https://byq6z.app.goo.gl/ ?
05:38:27<Ryz>When doing invalid as per https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222523437/ - giving a 404; yes, yes it does
05:38:38<@JAA>But yeah, that HTML unescaping thing needs a fix in terroroftinytown to use html.unescape instead.
05:39:26<@phuzion>Ryz: Seems like it's a double redirect.
05:41:53<Ryz>Yeah, we could cover https://byq6z.app.goo.gl/ instead, but that would make https://pst.cr/ unreachable, if one is covered over the other~
05:42:09<Ryz>Like, it looks like there isn't a way to do a double redirect validation
05:45:22<Ryz>Sigh, looks like 3 more URL shorteners into the 'Alive' pile~
05:56:31<Ryz>It looks like I have 3 more smh.re types
05:56:39<Ryz>In the text file that is
05:56:49<Ryz>I guess I'll group them together as one entry I suppose ><;
05:59:27<datechnoman>Atleast we have plenty of bandwidth (server) to process through them all!
05:59:52<datechnoman>But no one like shortners tbh. Only good on presentations for viewers
05:59:56<datechnoman>sigh....
06:03:03<Ryz>shorturl-at ( https://www.shorturl.at/dorGH ) seems to be a lot simpler...
06:05:53<Ryz>phuzion, what are your thoughts on handling upper and lowercase character letters being interchangeable and not unique?
06:06:04<Ryz>For instance: https://www.shorturl.at/dorGH and https://www.shorturl.at/dorgh are the same URL
06:06:36<Ryz>Should we archive only either uppercase or lowercase, or still cover both?
06:07:36<@phuzion>Ryz: I'm sure that someone has documented a previous shortener on the wiki that is case-insensitive. Why not check and see what we did in the past there.
06:09:34<Ryz>phuzion, in one case, ebing kas-pr, it mentions this: "Codes are case-insensitive, so only scanning lower-case."
06:09:52<Ryz>All the other ones that mention case-insensitive have no instructions on what they're done at 'em
06:10:20<Ryz>Well, actually one other project job, qt-catbox-moe - the others were just in the 'Alive' and not projects
06:13:21<Ryz>Hmm, https://shorturl.at/dorGH redirects to https://www.shorturl.at/dorGH - which redirects to https://www.instagram.com/accounts/login/
06:13:52<Ryz>Shouldn't the project be named www-shorturl-at instead of shorturl-at, phuzion?
06:14:16<@phuzion>Dunno, I'm going to bed for the night.
06:14:29<Ryz>To clarify, https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222523882/ - it's a 301 followed by a 302
06:14:38<Ryz>Ah, nini~
06:15:46<@JAA>I'd run it against www and only lower-case, I think.
06:16:49<Ryz>Against? Can you clarify on that?
06:16:58<Ryz>Because not having www would be a double redirect
06:17:33<Ryz>As for invalid, https://wheregoes.com/trace/20222523707/ - it's a 302 Redirect that goes back to https://www.shorturl.at/
06:17:42<Ryz>So https?://www\.shorturl\.at/$ for the "Location header reject regular expression" it is
06:18:27<@JAA>As in, make requests to www.shorturl.at, not shorturl.at (and follow the predictable redirect to www).
06:19:02<Ryz>Welp, meanwhile "Export in progress" is going on, so stuck for a bit
06:21:56<Ryz>The double redirect JAA?
06:25:38<Ryz>Think phuzion told me if somehing like that happens, redirect with https://www.shorturl.at/dorGH and not https://shorturl.at/dorGH
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06:40:12<Ryz>Mmm, twas gonna run it now but was wondering whether to make it target 5 character letter IDs only instead of going from 1 character letter ID into increasing it
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20:05:32<Somebody2>t-ly was freaking out. Cleared the errors, turned off auto-queue, we'll see what happens.
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20:05:46<Somebody2>(also increased timeout between requests from 0.5 sec to 1.5 sec)
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