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| 04:20:58 | <triplecamera|m> | koichi: The utility by TheTechRobo is really helpful! Even better than WBM playback function |
| 04:21:04 | <triplecamera|m> | TheTechRobo++ |
| 04:21:05 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'TheTechRobo' now has 37 karma! |
| 04:22:00 | <triplecamera|m> | However, if the video is saved multiple times on the Wayback Machine, it only returns the earliest direct link |
| 04:22:53 | <triplecamera|m> | I'd like to try this on a recent video, to test if direct link replay can work for recent captures |
| 04:35:49 | <nicolas17> | I think the playback code for youtube is known broken |
| 04:36:02 | <nicolas17> | ever since youtube split audio and video into separate URLs |
| 04:45:49 | <triplecamera|m> | Nope, I tried FcKzEsP9y98 from the wiki page, and the video failed to play (the audio file can play though) |
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| 07:43:54 | <triplecamera|m> | <triplecamera|m> "Nope, I tried FcKzEsP9y98 from..." <- I see why the video failed to play: For some reason, the `<source>` tag with the video source URL is commented out. If I uncomment it, the video would play. |
| 07:48:41 | <triplecamera|m> | https://transfer.archivete.am/jH4m7/Screenshot%202026-08-11%20at%2015-46-13%20Wayback%20Machine.png |
| 07:48:41 | <eggdrop> | inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/jH4m7/Screenshot%202026-08-11%20at%2015-46-13%20Wayback%20Machine.png |
| 07:49:09 | <triplecamera|m> | This is not a YouTube page, it it "counterfeited" by the WBM |
| 09:27:44 | <IDK> | triplecamera|m: video is located at |
| 09:27:53 | <IDK> | [insert very long URL] |
| 09:28:24 | <IDK> | but check here https://web.archive.org/__wb/videoinfo?vtype=youtube&vid=FcKzEsP9y98 |
| 09:30:31 | <IDK> | strange you used to be able to play it by adding if_ |
| 10:03:11 | <triplecamera|m> | IDK: Wow! That helps a lot, thanks |
| 10:06:26 | <triplecamera|m> | Is this API undocumented? I can't find it anywhere except on AT wiki |
| 10:09:15 | <klea> | 2026-08-11 07:49:09 <triplecamera|m> This is not a YouTube page, it it "counterfeited" by the WBM <- huh, also at https://web.archive.org/web/20260201143331/http://vurl.web.archive.org/youtube/v/FcKzEsP9y98 |
| 10:12:06 | <triplecamera|m> | klea: Wow! Another undocumented endpoint |
| 10:12:30 | <klea> | I mean, IA and AT aren't well known for having a great documentation, so yeahhh. |
| 10:14:36 | <triplecamera|m> | Are these endpoints found by inspecting network traffic? Or IA just told you directly |
| 10:18:06 | <klea> | I went to the WBM link and got directed to a watch page not available, but we may have the video. |
| 10:28:28 | <klea> | There's also https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/FcKzEsP9y98 (from https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/14681#issuecomment-3434711527 ) |
| 10:30:30 | <klea> | Having IA handle youtube.com/embed/ would be neat, also the other domains (youtube-nocookie.net IIRC?) |
| 10:30:38 | <IDK> | ah exactly, now you have to add oe_ to the timestamp |
| 10:33:42 | <klea> | https://archive.org/details/towcenter-portal-kombat is making a lot of captures of https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://youtube.com/embed/ (the main page without the video ID), that sounds wasteful. Should I try to contact https://archive.org/details/@markjgraham ? |
| 10:43:05 | <klea> | TODO: Have some IA employee implement https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/5d6b8c8cd19785c3086ae3a9ec618c45e25eb3bc/yt_dlp/extractor/archiveorg.py#L336-L338 |
| 10:43:28 | <klea> | Or make a sample IA item that needs only login to get, independently of who. |
| 14:31:45 | <TheTechRobo> | yeah, videoinfo is what is actually used by their replayed YouTube pages; it's also more reliable than the fakeurl method from my testing and provides more information on split formats (haven't seen vurl before, but I assume that's using the same index as fakeurl?) |
| 14:33:20 | <TheTechRobo> | triplecamera|m: Are you sure there are actually multiple captures of the video and not just the watch page? videoinfo (and by extension my tool) should return all the captures |
| 14:36:03 | <TheTechRobo> | also, it is mentioned briefly on https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/YouTube#Wayback_Machine |
| 14:41:54 | <TheTechRobo> | *oh, you said "except on AT wiki", whoops |
| 14:51:32 | <@arkiver> | klea: i thought it did handle some embeds at leat |
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| 18:33:59 | <Pendonym> | Would archive.org exclude the website thereself without the owner asking |
| 18:36:23 | <justauser> | <+justauser> It's suspected that's what happened to catbox. |
| 18:36:23 | <justauser> | But we are running on pure speculation here: IA is untalkative, for legal reasons presumably. |
| 18:36:34 | <Pendonym> | mmm |
| 18:36:54 | <justauser> | <Pendonym> justauser: and what happend to catbox? |
| 18:37:01 | <justauser> | It was excluded for some time. |
| 18:37:10 | <justauser> | Currently is not IIRC? |
| 18:37:28 | <justauser> | https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/List_of_websites_excluded_from_the_Wayback_Machine/Former_exclusions |
| 18:37:39 | <justauser> | https://catbox.moe/ (Catbox) got unexcluded on or before 2026-06-09. Was excluded as of 2025-09-22. |
| 18:38:18 | <justauser> | It was conjectured that IA was getting too much takedown requests and decided to kill the whole site. |
| 18:38:46 | <Pendonym> | justauser: 0807.st is a small website though so I dont really see how thats possible |
| 18:39:19 | <justauser> | Even small file hosts tend to invote abuse. |
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| 18:39:37 | <justauser> | How many times did our transfer get on safebrowsing blacklist? |
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| 22:00:58 | <klea> | Maybe it does? I don't and can't know other than observing the behaviour of the system, since I don't have access to the source codes. |
| 22:01:52 | <klea> | 2026-08-11 18:39:19 <justauser> Even small file hosts tend to invote abuse. <- IIRC one private file host that only allows one person to upload, got blocked for pornography in some safe list thingy. |
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