| 00:00:57 | <@arkiver> | datechnoman: yes |
| 00:01:15 | <@arkiver> | datechnoman: "without being cloud"? |
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| 00:10:33 | <datechnoman> | arkiver - Well to my knowledge IA runs everything on their own infrastructure without the use of cloud services where they could just burst bandwidth, storage and compute when demand arises |
| 00:12:13 | <nicolas17> | I don't think the ability to burst bandwidth at $90/TB when demand arises would make financial sense for IA |
| 00:12:29 | <datechnoman> | They run their own S3 |
| 00:13:00 | <datechnoman> | I am not saying they should use cloud as it isnt finically viable and sustainable |
| 00:13:42 | <datechnoman> | Was just making the comment that capacity management is more tricky for onsite run solutions as pretty much all places dont have equipment sitting turned off as "hot spares" when capacity is needed |
| 00:14:26 | <datechnoman> | Anyway im not talking on behalf of them and also am basing my comments off the AMA (i believe it was an AMA) that is a year or two old from one of the Infrastructure/Network guys within IA |
| 00:15:06 | <@arkiver> | my download speed from IA (to Europe) has been pretty good lately |
| 00:15:17 | | pabs would assume IA is just continuously expanding, not having any equipment turned off as a spare |
| 00:15:23 | <@arkiver> | and IA has been undergoing multiple upgrades of infrastructure and outgoing lines recently |
| 00:15:30 | <@arkiver> | they're really upping capacity |
| 00:15:51 | <@arkiver> | pabs: well very old drives are rotated out eventually |
| 00:16:18 | <@JAA> | Can confirm, download speeds are definitely much better than they used to be. Upload speeds are horrible recently, but I doubt that's network-related. Stuff just seems to be on fire since a couple weeks. |
| 00:16:30 | <@arkiver> | JAA: yes that is inbound |
| 00:16:47 | <@arkiver> | inbound has been capped for some reason (not completely sure why) and we're making it hit the cap all the time recently |
| 00:16:55 | <nicolas17> | idk what's the deal with inbound |
| 00:16:59 | <@arkiver> | 1.5 GB/s in |
| 00:17:16 | <pokechu22> | Doesn't IA also have some kind of community radio internet thing? |
| 00:18:41 | <nicolas17> | the other day I had 170KB/s uploading from home, 500KB/s uploading from DigitalOcean NYC, I started a DigitalOcean SFO instance and got up to 80MiB/s |
| 00:19:58 | <datechnoman> | Yeah that comes down to peering of your upload also. But as arkiver_ said the inbound traffic is struggling atm |
| 00:23:00 | <@arkiver> | pokechu22: what? |
| 00:23:05 | <@arkiver> | radio archive |
| 00:23:06 | <@arkiver> | ? |
| 00:23:15 | <@arkiver> | oh wait that recent project |
| 00:23:16 | <pokechu22> | No, like as an ISP thing? |
| 00:23:24 | <pokechu22> | I remember reading about it a few years ago on the IA blog |
| 00:23:35 | <@arkiver> | https://blog.archive.org/2022/11/16/digital-library-of-amateur-radio-communications-surpasses-25000-items/ |
| 00:23:42 | <@arkiver> | ISP thing? |
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| 00:24:15 | <pokechu22> | I'm going to see if I can find the post; it's not that |
| 00:24:20 | <pokechu22> | I might be thinking of something else, too |
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| 00:26:08 | <pokechu22> | hmm, there's https://blog.archive.org/2008/04/13/free-ultra-high-speed-internet-to-public-housing/ but that's not what I'm thinking of and probably not relevant nowadays |
| 00:27:10 | <@arkiver> | 15 years ago |
| 00:27:29 | <@arkiver> | no idea if this is still a thing |
| 00:27:51 | <@arkiver> | this definitely aged fast: |
| 00:27:55 | <@arkiver> | > The residents can instantly view DVD-quality videos of the thousands of lectures and other educational information from the Internet Archive’s collections, as well as traditional Internet access. |
| 00:29:37 | <pokechu22> | Aha, found it: https://blog.archive.org/2013/05/08/free-and-fast-roof2roof-internet-available-in-richmond-ca/ |
| 00:29:43 | <pokechu22> | via "site:blog.archive.org line of sight" |
| 00:29:58 | <pokechu22> | also https://blog.archive.org/2015/01/20/community-wireless/ |
| 00:30:42 | <nicolas17> | there was something like that in Argentina, but it was a mesh-routing thing without a bridge to the public Internet (so users could only access services hosted by other users in the mesh) |
| 00:30:59 | <@arkiver> | ah i think this is in relationship to the DWeb they're working on |
| 00:31:00 | <nicolas17> | because giving access to the public Internet would make them an ISP and bring regulatory crap |
| 00:31:17 | | @arkiver can't comment on that |
| 00:31:37 | <@JAA> | > We have achieved 80 megabits per second in both directions with this technology, so this should support many people’s normal Internet use. Typical commercial Internet access runs at 1/10 this speed |
| 00:31:41 | <@JAA> | Heh |
| 00:31:44 | <@arkiver> | :P |
| 00:31:57 | <datechnoman> | Not anymore :P |
| 00:31:58 | <@arkiver> | i think i had like 5 Mbit/s back then |
| 00:32:13 | <nicolas17> | arkiver: to be clear I mean Argentina-specific regulatory crap, I have no idea what the US is like there :P |
| 00:32:22 | | @arkiver downloading my music at 500 KB/s - good times |
| 00:32:24 | <@JAA> | I think I had 1G from 2015 or so. |
| 00:32:27 | <@arkiver> | when megaupload was still a thing |
| 00:32:51 | <@arkiver> | JAA: nice! |
| 00:33:03 | <@JAA> | Not anymore though for $reasons. :-( |
| 00:33:08 | <@arkiver> | :( |
| 00:33:26 | <@arkiver> | I'd think it would have dropped significantly in price |
| 00:33:57 | <@arkiver> | though for the average person 100 Mbit is plenty, when archiving on home machines comes into the picture one might need more |
| 00:34:21 | <@JAA> | Not much, unless you go with crappy providers. The one I was with at the time still has the same prices but upped it to 10G and 25G now. (Same monthly fee, but higher setup cost on the latter.) |
| 00:34:30 | <@arkiver> | 25? |
| 00:34:32 | <@arkiver> | damn |
| 00:34:52 | <@JAA> | 1G has become a bit cheaper with them but also slightly worse (no free router choice and CGNAT). |
| 00:35:04 | <@JAA> | Yup, but the router they sell for it can only achieve 15G. lol |
| 00:35:18 | <@arkiver> | i never get why they would not let you pick a router |
| 00:35:31 | <@arkiver> | i'll be off though now |
| 00:36:33 | <@JAA> | You can bring your own router on the 10G and 25G plans. Either way, I have zero hardware capable of over 1G, so it wouldn't be of much use. |
| 00:36:50 | <@JAA> | And 1G ought to be enough for anyone. :-P |
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| 00:39:45 | <@arkiver> | I'd think so :P |
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| 03:09:37 | <TheTechRobo> | I'm sure people said that about 5mbit back in the day. :-) |
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| 19:47:30 | <pokechu22> | The collection view seems to be working again. |
| 19:52:28 | <fireonlive> | i remember upgrading my cable internet line and getting rid of 1Mbps/512Kbps (unlimited) for faster but limited monthly caps. I kinda regretted that cause overage fees were a killer. |
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