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| 05:17:25 | <atphoenix> | WBM and SPN update: watch out for HTTP proxies between you and the WBM or SPN. I had set one up for one of my computers, and now noticed that proxy is the cause for some of my WBM/SPN problems. Specifically, if I try to use the http version of WBM/SPN, I get errors. The https version is unaffected, probably because the proxy can't mess with https nearly as easily. |
| 05:19:00 | <atphoenix> | if I turn off the proxy, the problems with the plain http version also go away. I plan to leave the proxy enabled as it is on for other reasons, but will keep this in mind on http sites. |
| 06:22:46 | <HP_Archivist> | Proxy as in vpn? |
| 06:23:06 | <HP_Archivist> | I occasionally switch IP's from region to region then back to my original |
| 06:23:30 | <HP_Archivist> | I tested the other day and changing IP /using vpn does not fix the SPN problem |
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| 11:31:02 | <kpcyrd> | I'd assume http proxy, since those actively modify the http requests/responses kind of by design |
| 11:33:21 | <HP_Archivist> | kpcyrd - I don't have an http proxy. So Idk if that's just a coincidence for atphoenix |
| 11:33:56 | <HP_Archivist> | But I tested SPN again in a different browser a little while ago; a news article, brand new page, never been captured. Still nothing |
| 11:35:35 | <OrIdow6> | It's not a coincidence so much as a different situation, a different cause, and a different effect |
| 11:35:59 | <OrIdow6> | I recall this was discussed a few days ago, but are you sure you aren't just running into the cache bug? |
| 11:40:05 | <HP_Archivist> | OrIdow6 - wouldn't that imply a lot of other people then per that thread? |
| 11:40:14 | <HP_Archivist> | I don't think I am. I have two different machines, same results |
| 11:40:43 | <OrIdow6> | How long have you checked after a save attempt, to see if the page is there? |
| 11:41:05 | <OrIdow6> | It could be a cache, or it could be something else with playing back a recent capture |
| 11:41:07 | <HP_Archivist> | I've been checking links I tried early last week; nada as of yesterday |
| 11:42:19 | <HP_Archivist> | I think it's the latter, OrIdow6 |
| 11:42:38 | <HP_Archivist> | Cause it says it finished. And if you retry it'll say 'pleas wait X number of min/sec' |
| 11:42:56 | <HP_Archivist> | Cause it says it finished when you try to re-submit the link again* |
| 11:43:35 | <OrIdow6> | If these are Harry Potter-related links as opposed to personal (or some other topic) ones, do you want to give an example? Then I can check, where I'm very unlikely to have visited those same pages in the WBM recently |
| 11:43:49 | <OrIdow6> | And won't have the potential of anything in the cache on my side |
| 11:46:36 | <OrIdow6> | Well, not necessarily Harry Potter, just anything non-sensitive |
| 11:47:09 | <HP_Archivist> | Try this OrIdow6, last capture was on the 6th, I tried again last week and checked, nothing. Tried again yesterday, still nothing |
| 11:47:11 | <HP_Archivist> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AHarry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher's_Stone_(video_game) |
| 11:47:54 | <HP_Archivist> | erm, not the 6th, the 4th* |
| 11:48:06 | <HP_Archivist> | But repeated attempts have proven futile and nothing ever shows up |
| 11:48:11 | <OrIdow6> | I am sent a successful capture at https://web.archive.org/web/20210404081421/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher's_Stone_(video_game) , saved on the 4th |
| 11:48:28 | <HP_Archivist> | And this one earlier last night https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/politics/us-china-climate-change-shanghai-intl-hnk/index.html |
| 11:48:31 | <HP_Archivist> | A random cnn article |
| 11:48:47 | <OrIdow6> | CNN article does not work for me, however |
| 11:48:49 | <HP_Archivist> | That was one was previously captured |
| 11:50:33 | <OrIdow6> | So it does look like this is something on their end |
| 11:51:03 | <OrIdow6> | Available API does not return anything for either, so perhaps it hasn't all filtered down yet |
| 11:51:16 | <HP_Archivist> | As I've been reporting, yeah... maybe just severely delayed? |
| 11:51:52 | <HP_Archivist> | Idk. But the SPN page shows each capture as successful and never is. Upon retrying an already 'captured' link, it does claim a snapshot was already captured and to wait, etc. |
| 11:52:09 | <OrIdow6> | It was discussed here a few weeks ago - the WBM does not do everything instantly |
| 11:52:23 | <HP_Archivist> | After waiting, the same thing. Captures, say it did it right, and then either copying the original url manually into the WBM or just clicking the link provided, both return no results |
| 11:52:23 | <OrIdow6> | From what I'm hearing, the captures are successful, they just don't play back instantly |
| 11:52:56 | <HP_Archivist> | Right. That's why I'm thinking it's a playback issue |
| 11:53:02 | <OrIdow6> | If something's not showing up a month out, that could indicate something awry |
| 11:54:31 | <HP_Archivist> | This started I guess beginning of last week for me. Seems like it's A. happened before for others and B. most recently earlier this month |
| 11:54:52 | <HP_Archivist> | Everything was fine until last week, at least on my end. So idk. |
| 12:28:34 | <@JAA> | 'Last night' definitely sounds recent enough to run into that WBM index issue. |
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| 19:21:40 | <atphoenix> | HP_Archivist, proxy as in http proxy |
| 19:22:00 | <atphoenix> | like you might configure in the Windows proxy settings |
| 19:22:21 | <atphoenix> | some antimalware and web filtering software may also use those settings |
| 19:32:26 | <atphoenix> | I can still reproduce the proxy problem on my end. Removing the proxy bypasses the issue with using SPN. The proxy on my end may be buggy. Try a different computer on the same IP address, and a different computer on a different IP address. |
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| 23:54:29 | <HP_Archivist> | atphoenix: If my antimalware/virus protection software hasn't been changed recently, why would it be a problem now? |
| 23:54:36 | <HP_Archivist> | Nothing on my end has changed, etc |