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| 07:52:26 | <HP_Archivist> | OrIdow6: Do we have any explanation as to why archiving YouTube videos in the WBM sometimes work and sometimes do not? |
| 07:52:34 | <HP_Archivist> | Has anyone ever asked staff? |
| 07:55:02 | <HP_Archivist> | I might just email them and ask if nobody here knows why this is. Seems like we could be doing a whole lot more for archiving YT if they resolved whatever it is that doesn't work right |
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| 08:09:28 | <OrIdow6> | HP_Archivist: As far as I know, there is no public method (including Save Page Now) for on-demand, integrated-into-WBM saving of YouTube videos |
| 08:09:57 | <OrIdow6> | Maybe SPN2 would do it on short videos? I remember I heard an explanation of how it worked some time |
| 08:10:57 | <OrIdow6> | I remember that a month or so ago there was a similar video discussed here, that had really been saved because it was in one of the specialized Twitter collections |
| 08:13:42 | <OrIdow6> | "Twitter collections" = (according to the collection description, at least, and that should be "collection", not "collections") captured from Twitter outlinks that they gather from somewhere else |
| 08:17:45 | <HP_Archivist> | Hmm, but that doesn't explain why longer videos 45-50 mins in length are somtimes found to have been previously captured - and playable right in the WMB |
| 08:17:48 | <HP_Archivist> | WBM* |
| 08:18:46 | <HP_Archivist> | Perhaps it's a fluke, like you mentioned, where it was part of another collection or something... but even that doesn't explain why - if the video isn't saved - sometimes WBM fails to save the comments/html, and other times it does, regardless of the video |
| 08:19:32 | <HP_Archivist> | It's just a shame because when it does work it's very satisfying |
| 08:19:46 | <OrIdow6> | Video is a separate thing from comments |
| 08:20:25 | <HP_Archivist> | Oh I know. I'm saying there are two different issues. 1. whether the video is every captured and 2. putting aside video for a moment, trying to save the video's page sometimes fails, too |
| 08:21:00 | <HP_Archivist> | Sometimes it captures the comments/page, sometimes it does not. Idk if that's WBM just not loading what was *actually* saved... and a temp issue. Or it actually didn't save anything aside from the url |
| 08:21:37 | <OrIdow6> | If you're using the same Save Page Now version each time, I wouldn't be surprised if that's Youtube doing AB testing or similar |
| 08:21:44 | <HP_Archivist> | And what I was getting at was why this happens in the first place. Because when everything is saved, video included, it's a very satisfying result. |
| 08:22:07 | <HP_Archivist> | I've been using the GH extension |
| 08:22:08 | <OrIdow6> | Though obviously SPN has a lot of issues, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the other way around, either |
| 08:22:24 | <OrIdow6> | What extension? |
| 08:22:39 | <HP_Archivist> | https://github.com/internetarchive/wayback-machine-webextension |
| 08:23:52 | <HP_Archivist> | I have it set to auto capture a page when it loads if it hasn't been captured before. There some nifty settings, useful. But YT captures more often fail, than succeed as mentioned... |
| 08:24:59 | <OrIdow6> | I see "bulk-save.js" in there using SPN1 |
| 08:25:46 | <OrIdow6> | Oh, didn't know that existed (and it was endorsed by them) |
| 08:26:43 | <HP_Archivist> | Yeah I just found out about it recently, too. Someone else here tipped me off to it, forgetting who it was. Anyway, it's very handy |
| 08:27:26 | <OrIdow6> | If you come across an example of each of these cases, you can put it here if you want me (or someone else, if they want) to look at it - my guess is going to be that for more recent captures, it requires a headless browser to save the full thing |
| 08:27:48 | <OrIdow6> | Though I haven't been keeping that closely with changes to the YOutube UI anyhow |
| 08:33:49 | <HP_Archivist> | Thanks, I appreciate that. |
| 08:33:49 | <HP_Archivist> | For example, I crawled this one a little while ago |
| 08:33:53 | <HP_Archivist> | https://web.archive.org/web/20210205072730/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4O_4wpKv-k |
| 08:33:58 | <HP_Archivist> | Doesn't load, at least not on my end. Just the WBM timeline banner and a white page. |
| 08:34:03 | <HP_Archivist> | Then on this one, different video, |
| 08:34:03 | <HP_Archivist> | https://web.archive.org/web/20190612153021/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4RE2hVw1Q |
| 08:34:06 | <HP_Archivist> | The most recent capture doesn't load. But the capture done on June 12, 2019, does load. Video and al |
| 08:34:19 | <HP_Archivist> | all* |
| 08:34:35 | <HP_Archivist> | So IDK what the problem is, seems very hit/miss and random |
| 08:38:32 | <HP_Archivist> | Huh, interesting The second video in my example, the one that's there from June 2019 capture, the location on the YT page is set to Indonesia. Wonder if location has anything to do with submissions? No idea... |
| 08:44:18 | <HP_Archivist> | OrIdow6 and then other times the video loads but the rest of the page does not as such https://imgur.com/1fE6Fzi |
| 08:44:42 | <HP_Archivist> | So I have no clue what's going on |
| 08:45:12 | <OrIdow6> | It's hard to tell without examples from around the same time |
| 08:45:25 | <OrIdow6> | Because Youtube has changed how their interface works over the last 1.5 years |
| 08:45:45 | <OrIdow6> | I assume the video loads on the last one because the WBM is aggressive with inserting it into the page |
| 08:47:00 | <HP_Archivist> | Yeah I'd have to find ones that were done around the same time and compare, etc. These are just the most recent ones I've come across as similar content working and then another not working |
| 08:47:19 | <HP_Archivist> | Think it's worth emailing staff and asking? |
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| 09:04:18 | <OrIdow6> | I don't see how that would be useful |
| 09:04:55 | <HP_Archivist> | I was hoping someone would be able to provide a more useful explanation as to what exactly is going on/why videos don't save |
| 09:05:02 | <OrIdow6> | If it truly happens randomly, why it happens does not help saving things |
| 09:05:10 | <OrIdow6> | And that might take a lot of work to investigate |
| 09:05:26 | <OrIdow6> | In order to arrive at what is probably an obscure technical reason |
| 09:07:17 | <HP_Archivist> | Erm, Idk about that. It's useful to know the 'why' on its own. But yeah, I guess it doesn't help if it's not going to be fixed, no matter what the reason behind it actually is |
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| 10:25:26 | <HP_Archivist> | OrIdow6 see this one works, Idk why. Video loads from my capture today https://web.archive.org/web/20210205101156/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjeXTCdGGXM |
| 10:25:40 | <HP_Archivist> | But no comments or other page elements, seems totally random |
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