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06:32:14<that_lurker>Good timed Netcup phising has started it seems
06:32:30<that_lurker>s/phising/phishing
06:34:02<that_lurker>I got 3 emails back to back saying my invoice debit has not gone through.
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09:37:37<steering>>Leap seconds were abolished by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures on 15 October 2026, taking effect on 20 May 2027.
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10:55:51<klea>https://social.hails.org/@hailey/117441147262782654
10:56:14<klea>> Just saw a post claiming “Today the number of people under 50 who'll reach for Perl as their first choice of tool for anything new is zero” and hey! It’s at least one.
10:56:21<klea>hmm, I should learn perl properly sometime.
10:57:05<klea>Was it possible to run untrusted Perl without consequences, IIRC not, which means I guess I can't try to make a mush with a Perl program lang.
10:57:51<klea>> @hailey Yup. My rule of thumb is that every time you find yourself doing flow control or non-trivial data structures in Bash, you should have changed to Perl already. $Origin: https://mastodon.acc.sunet.se/@maswan/117441219367229429 $
10:58:03klea lightly meows at JAA.
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12:25:09<steering>perl++
12:25:10<eggdrop>[karma] 'perl' now has 2 karma!
12:25:20steering checks his age
12:25:22<steering>yup, under 50
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12:26:26<steering>i'm sure it's *possible* to make an untrusted perl interpreter. probably pretty difficult though.
12:27:25<klea>I've heard someone did it ages ago (before GitHub).
12:34:23<klea>steering: https://dg.cx/x/evalbot.tgz
12:34:33<klea>I suppose JAA will later !ao it ω̈
12:34:59<steering>?
12:35:06<steering>is this the same broken thing as on that other network?
12:35:34<steering>afaik you definitely cant make it safe from inside of perl
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12:36:32<klea>2026-10-20 12:35:34 <steering> afaik you definitely cant make it safe from inside of perl <- Perhaps not now, this is from 10 years ago.
12:36:41<steering>nah, not back then either
12:36:42<klea>2026-10-20 12:35:06 <steering> is this the same broken thing as on that other network? <- No, it's not at all like what runs on marta.
12:36:46<steering>ok
12:36:59<klea>Pretty sure dg doesn't know about marta.
12:37:56<klea>I should probably run it, and test what is broken, and also check if the things that worked to bypass marta don't do it on this.
12:39:08<steering>ahha https://perldoc.perl.org/Safe
12:39:46<steering>(along with a whole bunch of other stuff)
12:41:15<steering>but uh
12:41:15<steering>The Safe module does not implement an effective sandbox for evaluating untrusted code with the perl interpreter.
12:41:18<steering>Bugs in the perl interpreter that could be abused to bypass Safe restrictions are not treated as vulnerabilities. See perlsecpolicy for additional information.
12:42:36<klea>hmm.
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17:03:39<klea>https://glauca.space/@q/117474051360413376
17:03:42<klea>Fun.
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17:54:41<@imer>^relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/221/
17:57:01<klea>yep.
17:57:01<klea>imer++
17:57:01<eggdrop>[karma] 'imer' now has 68 karma!
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19:50:34<klea>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083449#c11 some answers :p
19:59:50<klea>steering: You said you had a lot of free ram, could you download the parquet from https://ip.thc.org/docs/bulk-data-access and tell me what it has ω̈, maybe reindex it in some other way for AT to use /hides
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21:13:40<Rdav1986>klea: i could download that monthly and use duckdb to find the difrences in the files month to month. that way you could see whats new from previous month and missing from the previous month as well.
21:14:29<klea>hmm, sounds silly, given it's probably big, I think I understood it being rDNS data?
21:15:48<Rdav1986>ill download it and see
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23:39:13<kpcyrd>this is going to age well https://web.archive.org/web/20261020233829/https://sec-certs.org/cc/359d5a50d38bab9e/cert.pdf
23:39:42<@JAA>Heh
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23:40:17<@JAA>I mean, they did say that it wasn't the HSM's fault.
23:40:56<kpcyrd>ah! my bad. is it on the faq somewhere?
23:41:42<@JAA>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083449#c11
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23:44:36<kpcyrd>> c) a flaw in the code resulted in the second pair of keys being created onboard which were weaker
23:45:49<kpcyrd>that still sounds like "if you hold it wrong enough, the HSM derives a private key of 4"
23:46:03<kpcyrd>> b) an approved deviation to our usual KGC to test a wrap/unwrap was introduced as these keys were meant for export for this instance
23:46:14<kpcyrd>I'm not sure what that means KGC doesn't seem to be explained
23:53:09<@JAA>It reads to me like they left test code in. But yeah, maybe we'll get more details soon.

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