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09:32:06<Umbire>https://brennan.day/normalized-fascism-in-open-source-12-million-given-to-dhh/
09:34:05<Ursidinoj>yeah...
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14:51:13<steering>friiiiday friiiiday gotta get down on fridayyyyyyyyy
14:51:30<steering>lookin forward to the weekend weekend
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15:50:08<Barto>i rebooted this machine that had 94 days uptime; all services booted fine. Life's good.
15:59:00<steering>noice
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16:36:46<nulldata>steering - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FISHEO3gsM
16:38:53<steering>🎶
16:46:57<steering>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFau7OGS1U
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16:48:55<steering>Why is there a rapper here? Why exactly am I here? Did I just rhyme here with here? I am getting out of here...
17:05:39<nulldata>Good old creepy Patrice
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17:18:18<nulldata>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqhu04r1IAE
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21:22:17<nulldata>The matt is now back in Automattic https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/11/matt-mullenweg-tells-automattic-staff-in-slack-hes-back-in-control-after-ceo-ouster/
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21:50:02<steering>>saying a blog post is forthcoming. When it dropped, it was about him buying a houseboat.
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22:00:15<starg2|m>Is anyone experiencing issues with the matrix-to-hackint bridge?
22:01:15<hexa->just restarted for maintenance
22:04:32<starg2|m>oh, i see
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22:11:38<steering>so... am i crazy in remembering that linux (as configured by common distros) used to refuse to let you mount on a non-empty directory?
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22:52:25<TheTechRobo>steering: Yeah, I thought so too, but recently seemingly shadowed an existing directory with sshfs
22:54:07<@JAA>I recall the opposite, but I think it might depend on what you're mounting, in particular FUSE vs regular file systems.
22:54:37<steering>I mean, I know today, linux will let you mount on a dir with stuff in it (on every distro I've tried)
22:55:05<steering>I swear that wasn't true in the '00s but I mean... because of that I hadn't ever really tried it between then and now
22:55:43<steering>like... Fedora Core 5 / Ubuntu 6.xx era
22:56:09<@JAA>I remember accidentally shadowing data that way at some point very roughly around 2010.
22:58:56<@JAA>(± a few years)
22:59:12<@JAA>And same, haven't really tried since then.
22:59:31<nicolas17>pretty sure stuff like docker relies on a bunch of mount-shadowing
23:04:47<@JAA>2005 mount(8) page already says that the directory doesn't have to be empty: https://manned.org/man/ubuntu-warty/mount/2.12-7ubuntu6.1/mount.8
23:08:41<@JAA>And 1997
23:08:44<@JAA>https://manned.org/man.52c3ff62/debian-hamm/mount.8
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23:09:05<steering>mmh, ok
23:09:54<@JAA>Also 4.2BSD's mount(2) from 1985: https://www.typewritten.org/Manual/ISI/4.2BSD/3.04v10.B/man2/mount.html
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23:10:21<@JAA>So Linux likely inherited that from UNIXes.
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23:17:34<nicolas17>I imagine checking if the directory is empty would be racy
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