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| 18:05:49 | <kpcyrd> | klea: some projects started moving away from including the year, because it's barely relevant. if somebody wrote a program for the PDP-11 on first public release in 1971, then immediately died afterwards, that copyright won't expire in the US until 2041 |
| 18:06:04 | <kpcyrd> | in some jurisdictions it takes even longer |
| 18:06:37 | <kpcyrd> | the chances that this source code still holds any value until then.. is slim |
| 18:06:52 | <klea> | So the copyright expires after 70 years of the last contributor having died? |
| 18:07:27 | <justauser> | It depends on the jurisdictions and so on. |
| 18:07:40 | <justauser> | You can find some nice summaries on Wikimedia Commons. |
| 18:07:46 | <klea> | hmm, fun. |
| 18:07:49 | <klea> | Annoying law. |
| 18:07:53 | <klea> | Copyright-- |
| 18:07:54 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Copyright' now has -1 karma! |
| 18:07:55 | <klea> | CCC++ |
| 18:07:56 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'CCC' now has 2 karma! |
| 18:08:11 | <klea> | (the second for no reason) |
| 18:08:28 | <@JAA> | Yeah, the copyright durations are insane. It should be more like a fixed 10 or 20 years. |
| 18:08:31 | <justauser> | Piracy++ |
| 18:08:31 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Piracy' now has 1 karma! |
| 18:09:24 | <klea> | hmm, what counts as dying? |
| 18:09:37 | <@JAA> | It used to be 14 years in the US with the option to renew for another 14. |
| 18:09:43 | <@JAA> | klea: Legally declared dead. |
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| 18:10:15 | <klea> | IE, I heard some companies were doing some fun thing akin to preserving the body after having been declared dead, in a very cold state, would that still mean the person is alive? |
| 18:10:24 | <justauser> | There are different rules for legal persons and, IIRC, for unidentifiable authors. |
| 18:10:26 | <kpcyrd> | klea: in the US it's 70 years after the authors death, yes. if the author is anonymous or pseudonymous it's 95 years after publication, or 120 years after creation. |
| 18:10:42 | <klea> | After the creation or publication of the last content right? |
| 18:10:42 | <@JAA> | No, pretty sure that person is still legally dead. |
| 18:10:49 | <klea> | That's good. |
| 18:11:00 | <@JAA> | They're just betting on the effects of death being reversible in the future. |
| 18:11:35 | <klea> | inb4 [insert streaming service here] starts streaming movies made by a pseudonymous person (definitively not themselves), who posts a monthly message of them still being alive. |
| 18:11:40 | <justauser> | But what about freezing before being pronounced dead? Would something like "missing, presumed dead" apply? |
| 18:12:03 | <klea> | oh, what happens if a work is made by a company? (I guess it still has to be tied down to specific legal person entities) |
| 18:12:20 | <justauser> | I think it's NN years after creation then. |
| 18:12:21 | <klea> | justauser: Pretty sure that'd bring trouble to the freezingcorp®, but maybe. |
| 18:12:24 | <klea> | sad. |
| 18:13:06 | <@JAA> | Yeah, I'm not sure anyone could offer such a service legally currently. |
| 18:13:14 | <kpcyrd> | klea: company is the same as pseudonymous/anonymous, 95 years after publication, or 120 years after creation, whichever is first |
| 18:13:19 | <kpcyrd> | https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html |
| 18:13:52 | <klea> | Fun. |
| 18:14:09 | <klea> | uhh, .gov, I mean for the entire world, not only the US. (that brings more fun) |
| 18:14:27 | <justauser> | Again, Commons is your friend. |
| 18:14:58 | <justauser> | Things work differently in different countries, and sometimes it's the source country that matters, not the country in which you are. |
| 18:16:04 | <kpcyrd> | klea: for the individual commits - they can expire separably, if my copyright expired, the code I wrote is fair game (even if some other code in that codebase is still copyrighted) |
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| 18:16:57 | <klea> | fun. |
| 18:17:07 | <kpcyrd> | that is assuming my code wasn't based on code other people wrote, but genuinely mine |
| 18:17:37 | <justauser> | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory is a monster index, for example. |
| 18:18:17 | <klea> | monster?, that page seems easier to photocopy than Deathwatch :) |
| 18:18:17 | <@JAA> | Also assuming that the code repository survives for like 100 years, not just some random tarball. |
| 18:18:44 | <justauser> | *Index* monster. |
| 18:18:46 | <klea> | Isn't SWH technically going to survive forever (and they also have everything®) |
| 18:18:50 | <justauser> | It has a gazillion links. |
| 18:18:57 | <klea> | hmm, yeah. |
| 18:18:58 | <justauser> | Not proven. |
| 18:19:04 | <klea> | True. |
| 18:19:37 | <justauser> | I'm not even sure that humanity is going to survive for another 100 years, let alone a particular newly founded company. |
| 18:20:11 | <@JAA> | Oh right, it's no longer part of Inria now, is it? |
| 18:21:04 | <kpcyrd> | long story short - putting the year into software copyright notes might not be worth the effort |
| 18:21:38 | <kpcyrd> | on the question of "why are some contributors not attributed" it's often because they didn't ask |
| 18:23:00 | <kpcyrd> | in Debian you can often get added to debian/copyright files if you ask nicely (and are in fact one of the authors) |
| 18:24:17 | <@JAA> | There's also the whole topic of what is even copyrightable in the first place. |
| 18:24:37 | <justauser> | See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Threshold_of_originality . |
| 18:26:12 | | kpcyrd dear diary, today I had a discussion with my favorite library friends about our special interest that is international copyright law. it was nice. |
| 18:27:08 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 18:27:15 | <justauser> | Even if SWH is a part of Inria - can't find anything conclusive - we know how well does university #webroasting work. |
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| 22:34:57 | <steering> | oh steam2.torrent is done finally |
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| 22:35:22 | <steering> | and im at 32.03TB up according to my provider (27.18TiB according to rtorrent) |
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