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18:02:12<that_lurker>https://people.com/dolly-parton-dead-7565853
18:02:23<that_lurker>what a sad day
18:04:48<Umbire>AW WHAT
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22:12:02<klea>HP_Archivist: Yeah, it's very frustrating.
22:14:30<HP_Archivist>I'm trying to WC/oclc-id and LCCN entries on items I have put together. And While LoC doesn't restrict too much. WC is ridiculous. WorldCat Discovery/FirstSearch is only available to institutional members, which I presume would not have rate limiting like this.
22:14:57<HP_Archivist>(Because you have to pay for it at institutional-access rates)
22:16:39<HP_Archivist>Example: https://archive.org/details/richard-feynman-computers-from-the-inside-out "Worldcat (source edition) is the IA supported field for oclc-id which links directly to that item in the WC catalog.
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22:22:33<HP_Archivist>klea, recent newsletter from Software Heritage pointed pointed out this well-articulated post https://www.dicosmo.org/good-enough/#post-01 (series)
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22:24:49<klea>hmm, interesting.
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22:35:25<klea>HP_Archivist: I see some value in the idea of such a protocol, however, when there's some use case such as AI training, where the site owner does not approve, they will try to put up measures against automated access, not give hints to such machines over what changed, or perhaps even give fake hints. " Every correction made after publication is logged here, with its date and
22:35:25<klea>what changed. Nothing is silently edited. If you find an error, the fastest way to have it fixed is to tell me. ", in the archivist land we know in some cases entities such as goverments usually don't even do this, they try to do things quietly, so giving such information over such a protocol would defeat their own point, and the internet in a way is kind of a battlefield.
22:39:11<HP_Archivist>Agreed. Ya know, if they wanted "all the world's knowledge", they could have gone about this methodically, over time, partnering with orgs to provide data for training. In a more systematic, intentional way. But no, share holder money and fast IPO....
22:43:50<klea>Yeah~
22:43:54<klea>Capitalism--
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22:44:34<HP_Archivist>Hilarious ^
22:44:36<HP_Archivist>And yup
22:44:51<klea>HP_Archivist: Could you link me to the subscribe link to the SWH newsletter?
22:45:29<HP_Archivist>klea: https://www.softwareheritage.org/newsletter/ at the bottom of the page
22:45:53<klea>Thanks!
22:45:56<klea>HP_Archivist++
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22:45:59<HP_Archivist>:)
22:49:09<klea>Oh, mailchimp.
22:52:11<nicolas17>see I don't *want* to make it more efficient for AI scrapers to get my content
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