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| 14:38:41 | <mirrorforum> | Hey archiveteam! |
| 14:38:45 | <mirrorforum> | I have made something related to archival purposes |
| 14:39:03 | <mirrorforum> | it's a project which basically allows to archive archive.is pages manually by people to archive.org!! |
| 14:39:15 | <mirrorforum> | https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive/ |
| 14:39:41 | <mirrorforum> | I have archived my blog-post about it itself to archive.org! |
| 14:39:46 | <mirrorforum> | https://web.archive.org/web/20260330141037/https://serjaimelannister.github.io/htmlpipe/?https://ppng.io/htmlpipe |
| 14:40:15 | <mirrorforum> | I know you guys are interested within archive too, what do you guys/gals, think of my project? I would love to know more what you think! |
| 14:45:37 | <mirrorforum> | I think what this project also means is that we can essentially manually archive all websites which are archived by archive.is which aren't archived by archive.org though and enter it into archive.org for more preservation! |
| 14:46:32 | <mirrorforum> | I am personally feeling like wishing to change a lot of hackernews archive.is/.ph links into archive.org links through this project, but I would like for my method to get a bit more mainstream too so it doesn't feel like I am promoting my own project by just archiving ;) |
| 14:49:04 | <mirrorforum> | I am really proud of this project :-) |
| 14:52:39 | <justauser> | Doing it manually is infeasible due to sheer volume. |
| 14:53:28 | <mirrorforum> | I understand, I am not suggesting someone within the archiveteam to do it manually. |
| 14:53:45 | <mirrorforum> | I am suggesting that as archive.is articles comes say on hackernews where someothing is locked behind paywall |
| 14:54:08 | <justauser> | Individual pages were always possible to Ctrl-S, and your method makes lookups next to impossible. |
| 14:54:11 | <mirrorforum> | then we can use my project to archive essentially archive all new projects which people archive on archive.is to archive.org as well |
| 14:55:26 | <mirrorforum> | Yea I had thought about lookups, I can create my own database/website (I own the domain mirror.forum) which confirms individual web pages with archive.is too, I had thought about that but I wanted a decentralized alternative at the moment too. |
| 14:57:55 | <mirrorforum> | my thinking is that if someone wants to verify something, then they can look at archive.is page and then check the hash and compare it to hash at piping-server link *if* someone is suspicious that a webpage isn't the same. I don't really intend it to be a complete alternative to archive.is as that would be simply infeasible but its certainly a step towards a mutual cooperation between archive.is and archive.org :) |
| 15:00:09 | <mirrorforum> | Obviously given the manual attempt, I am going to do this myself for every page that I read on hackernews which has archive.is, this is one of the biggest use cases to it personally but I also imagine that if the general person who uploads links to archive.org/archive.is can find my project then that can be great too, especially as I plan on making open source extensions which can automate everything about it too in t |
| 15:01:01 | <mirrorforum> | It seems that my last message has been failed to send |
| 15:01:26 | <justauser> | Previous message from you started "Obviously given". |
| 15:02:03 | <justauser> | You are introducing at least one third party without a good reason. |
| 15:02:22 | <justauser> | SPNing https://mirror.forum/archive.is/AbCdE would be better. |
| 15:03:35 | <justauser> | A system allowing anybody to create such links, with some minimal verification that the files looks like A.T+SF HTML, would fit in a few pages of PHP. |
| 15:08:23 | <mirrorforum> | archive.is articles require a captcha though |
| 15:08:45 | <mirrorforum> | and so putting that itself into archive.org is almost impossible-ish as archive.org links can't solve captcha ykwim? |
| 15:10:14 | <mirrorforum> | I can perhaps, though in future, try to work with archive.is team for getting sha values of all the links (But I am not sure if they would like it), essentially unless I can get a sha database of all archive.is pages, this might require the trust of third party |
| 15:13:26 | <justauser> | This actually depends on their mood - sometimes you can grab a few pages without CAPTCHA. |
| 15:13:53 | <justauser> | My point is, you don't need ppng.io. |
| 15:15:07 | <mirrorforum> | justauser, If I may ask, what does SPNing mean? Spying Private network or, because suppose I wish to archive archive.is articles on archive.org, how may I do so? |
| 15:15:17 | <justauser> | Save Page Now. |
| 15:15:44 | <mirrorforum> | Oh, gotcha, I thought it meant something related to VPN my apologies |
| 15:15:51 | <mirrorforum> | but, even if we save page now. |
| 15:15:59 | <klea> | https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Archiveteam:Acronyms |
| 15:16:00 | <mirrorforum> | then, at best we get html, and with that |
| 15:16:14 | <mirrorforum> | the issue is that I can upload the html to archive.org usre |
| 15:16:16 | <mirrorforum> | sure* |
| 15:16:21 | <mirrorforum> | but I cannot really view it within wayback machine |
| 15:16:41 | <justauser> | We are still thinking about a proper system, using a friendly botnet, but your plan is reasonable once you make URLs predictable and remove the ppng.io. |
| 15:16:44 | <klea> | I think justauser is asking you to put stuff in mirror.forum's webpage then SPN that. |
| 15:16:58 | <justauser> | Yeah. |
| 15:17:15 | <justauser> | Ideally keep them long-term on mirror.forum as well, but this may get problematic. |
| 15:17:17 | <klea> | Since then the urls would have archive.today/is/whatever and the short number of th eoriginal page. |
| 15:17:30 | <mirrorforum> | I have done that thing actually although not on mirror.forum but on my github page |
| 15:18:10 | <mirrorforum> | but I hadn't done it exactly like how you guys are mentioning though which can be good catch |
| 15:19:09 | <mirrorforum> | so instead of having a random text or suggesting people to use random text within my page, I can have them suggest to use what the archive.is/1a2b3 uses themselves? |
| 15:19:21 | <justauser> | Exactly. |
| 15:19:45 | <justauser> | And ideally concentrate it under a single domain, so that it can be looked up. |
| 15:19:50 | <mirrorforum> | Oh gotcha. I can recommend people doing so to have an convention |
| 15:20:06 | <klea> | Also, if you can, making redirects from https://mirror.forum/http://archive.today/2026.03.10-200633/https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-inquiry/when-do-we-become-adults-really to https://mirror.forum/archive.is/AbCdE and similar it'd be neat. |
| 15:20:07 | <mirrorforum> | yes I can have a mirror.forum domain where people can submit the links and then I can have the lookup thing essentially |
| 15:20:22 | <justauser> | transfer.archivete.am could work as well. |
| 15:20:43 | <justauser> | Its URLs aren't entirely deterministic, but the file name is kept. |
| 15:21:11 | <mirrorforum> | yes instead of ppng.io, theoretically transfer.archivete.am can also be used |
| 15:22:03 | <mirrorforum> | but @justauser, this still requires a third party trust essentially tho, like because some person is uploading the html, essentially I would be still trusting it unless there is some api in archive.is side that I am missing which can give me a sha256 or anything of a particular website that I can verify it with |
| 15:22:21 | <klea> | Correct. |
| 15:22:41 | <justauser> | This is one third-party less. |
| 15:22:47 | <mirrorforum> | Oh gotcha. |
| 15:22:56 | <mirrorforum> | To be honest, my reasoning behind not using my own domain is that |
| 15:23:00 | <klea> | (Also, AFAIK most clients will ping a user even if you don't put a @ before their nick) |
| 15:23:08 | <mirrorforum> | I am also worried about de-anonymization vectors or something |
| 15:23:14 | <justauser> | It depends. |
| 15:23:18 | <mirrorforum> | I am not really an anonymous kind of guy like archive.is creator |
| 15:23:40 | <mirrorforum> | and I am worried that if my project can be used for archival, then people will take an interest in who I am and it would just be archive.is part 2 |
| 15:23:42 | | klea points out that you publishing a blog post documenting what you're doing and talking here linking it to your website already deanonymizes you. |
| 15:24:14 | <mirrorforum> | I know klea, but this way I would just be sharing an idea/code and people can spin up their own alternatives |
| 15:24:15 | <klea> | Automatically submit new links submitted to you to SPN, no longer having to worry about it being taken down. |
| 15:24:24 | <justauser> | Judging by all the BitTorrent trackers, "nothing is stored on this server long-term" is a sufficiently good excuse. |
| 15:25:34 | <mirrorforum> | Oh so are you suggesting that I essentially have my website where people can upload archive.is articles and then I can then manually/my website can then upload it to archive.org but then someone can easily view it by mirror.forum/archive.is/AbCdE which would use archive.org underneath |
| 15:25:55 | <mirrorforum> | so technically I am not storing anything permanently but archive.org and people can contact archive.org/archive.is ? |
| 15:26:29 | <mirrorforum> | I essentially act as a minor proxy/redirect point (Also about using transfer.archivete.am instead of ppng.io for one less dependency) |
| 15:27:18 | <mirrorforum> | Essentially, right now my website is essentially just a static page that anyone can host, its intended in some intentions similar to https://chitchatter.im actually |
| 15:28:34 | <justauser> | It won't be a static page for certain. |
| 15:29:03 | <mirrorforum> | Right now, it is. |
| 15:29:29 | <mirrorforum> | If I do follow the mirror.forum route though as you mention, then it won't be, yes. |
| 15:30:22 | <justauser> | The way you are following now, your website is not involved at all and can stay static. |
| 15:30:29 | <mirrorforum> | yup. |
| 15:33:22 | <mirrorforum> | what was the archivebot that you were mentioning something about btw? |
| 15:36:02 | <justauser> | https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot |
| 15:37:30 | <mirrorforum> | Interesting, when you mention ArchiveBot, is there anything in particular which can help within my idea? |
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| 16:11:32 | <klea> | https://youtube.be/TnpczVMTq6o?t=215 I wonder if AB allows specifying custom User-Agents. |
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| 16:12:25 | <justauser> | No. |
| 16:15:35 | <klea> | Annoying. |
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| 18:05:51 | <alexlehm> | question, does archive.org archive old versions of software, I think I have found a directory on my old drive with versions of anydvd, that has no practical use at all since the license server is not avaialble, so you do not even get a trial |
| 18:07:18 | <justauser> | There are more specialized places, but uploading it probably won't hurt. |
| 18:35:04 | <@JAA> | Reminder to everyone that this is the offtopic channel. |
| 19:01:07 | <katia> | hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 19:52:45 | <nulldata> | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47570269 |
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| 20:42:07 | <klea> | https://popovicu.com/posts/789-kb-linux-without-mmu-riscv/ |
| 20:47:47 | <klea> | https://mateusz.fr/amb/ - AMB - Ancient Machine Book format; is apparently used by FreeDOS' documentation. |
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| 23:06:07 | <Starshell> | Heya! I'm looking for advice on using tape in a homelab to back up archived data... Someone in #archiveteam-bs pointed me over here as a better place to ask. If anyone has personal experience with LTO and is willing to let me pick their brain, or if anyone can direct me to a better place to solicit advice, I'd be very grateful. |
| 23:46:18 | <klea> | Hilariously, the website for Kiesel JavaScript Engine (https://kiesel.dev/) requires js to load. |
| 23:52:36 | <multisn8> | Linus my beloved |
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