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| 00:19:49 | <steering> | I need a sturdier desk. |
| 00:20:49 | <steering> | my current one is fairly sturdy but its bending, just a bit, just enough to make a front trim piece be loose, under the load of my monitors |
| 00:21:15 | <steering> | finding a good one seems like it'd be hell |
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| 00:40:19 | <@imer> | steering: solid wood top + desk frame (standing one for me) would be my recommendation for quality on a budget. a larger budget, but still cheap for what you get if you're willing to put some work in finishing the wood&drilling a few holes |
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| 01:07:18 | <steering> | i'm not even so worried about budget |
| 01:07:57 | <steering> | problem is even the expensive stuff is crap |
| 01:10:29 | <nukke> | I'm using a Husky workbench from Home Depot as my computer desk |
| 01:11:03 | <nukke> | Super sturdy. A lot of people buy Flexispot frames and get a nice butcher block from HD |
| 01:11:16 | <steering> | apparently teamspeak has basically cloned discord? |
| 01:11:18 | <steering> | neat |
| 01:12:11 | <steering> | lol homedepot's website just says "Not found." for me |
| 01:13:12 | <steering> | ... but only in firefox |
| 01:13:46 | <steering> | yeah that's probably not a bad idea tbh |
| 01:14:15 | <steering> | i should see if theyve sent me any "please use your cc" coupons to me recently |
| 01:15:16 | <steering> | i need to figure out storage in my room as well, i'm a bit tempted to get a big tool cabinet as well |
| 01:27:20 | <nukke> | Do it |
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| 02:36:36 | <nukke> | https://torrentfreak.com/nvidia-contacted-annas-archive-to-secure-access-to-millions-of-pirated-books/ |
| 02:40:27 | <klea> | huh |
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| 12:40:43 | <justauser> | More money for Anna, slightly less money for AI overlords, no loss for the world. Good deal. |
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| 14:49:07 | <justauser> | 14:46:50 <+nullbot> [Warn] | 93z50zosx49vl1uf4atn6ydjd | transporte.gob.hn | Less than 0 items remain. | justauser | Note: #vooterbooter, for Marie0 |
| 14:49:29 | <justauser> | It looks like someone deserves a math award. |
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| 18:10:02 | <klea> | apparently <https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues/2626> is pending, so i can't use inkscape for my purpose. |
| 18:10:46 | <klea> | yes, i want a program so i can take notes, but none of the programs that deal with svgs i saw convince me, mostly because they're limited in zoom depth (yeah that's kind of a silly requirement i put :p) |
| 18:11:02 | <klea> | tbh, i'm likely going to do inkscape + fun script to embed svg into org-mode file in vim. |
| 18:11:15 | <klea> | no, don't ask me why, but i like org-mode, and i like using vim. |
| 18:12:28 | <nukke> | you are that edge case of an edge case type of user |
| 18:12:44 | <nukke> | the niche in the obscure niche user community |
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| 18:22:24 | <klea> | lol |
| 18:22:46 | <klea> | i'm annoyed at a physical drawing tablet that is mounted on a wall not allowing infinite depth. |
| 18:23:49 | <justauser> | Maybe you should replace it with a window. |
| 18:23:55 | <klea> | but yes, i'm a niche. |
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| 18:24:15 | <justauser> | If there are obstacles ahead, add a 90 degree mirror to see sky. |
| 18:34:08 | <steering> | The desktop cleanup wizard can help you clean up your desktop. Click this balloon to start the wizard. |
| 18:34:11 | <steering> | no thank you XP |
| 18:36:04 | <justauser> | If you clean up my desktop, I'll never find my pliers again! |
| 18:45:47 | <steering> | ahhh ok wth |
| 18:46:30 | <steering> | i have a system at work that froze up at 10:40, unfroze at 11:40, and froze again at 12:40 (+/- a few minutes for monitoring to notice) |
| 18:47:09 | <steering> | i blame ubuntu. (there was an instance of some snap firmware updater something or other getting OOM-killed after it unfroze) |
| 18:47:37 | <justauser> | Install Windows. It doesn't do that (almost). |
| 18:47:50 | <steering> | lol |
| 18:54:13 | <nicolas17> | oh god |
| 18:54:20 | <nicolas17> | flashback to the uni computer lab |
| 18:54:29 | <nicolas17> | they had DeepFreeze on the desktop computers |
| 18:54:39 | <steering> | lmao |
| 18:54:45 | <nicolas17> | so any changes done didn't persist on reboot |
| 18:54:48 | <steering> | fireonlive used deepfreeze at his work |
| 18:54:52 | <steering> | a constant pain |
| 18:55:37 | <nicolas17> | and they rightfully had automatic Windows Update disabled, so to install updates properly someone would have to disable deepfreeze, install updates, and enable deepfreeze again |
| 18:55:51 | <nicolas17> | except... there was one machine that had automatic updates on |
| 18:56:06 | <nicolas17> | every morning it would thrash the disk for an hour or two installing updates |
| 18:56:22 | <nicolas17> | every night it would be shut down and lose the updates, because deepfreeze |
| 18:59:50 | <klea> | i wonder |
| 19:00:03 | <klea> | is it possible for an administrator to bypass deepfreeze somehow? |
| 19:00:17 | <klea> | i suppose it wouldn't be hard, since if you're admin, you can write to the part of the disk that deepfreeze manages? |
| 19:00:18 | <steering> | kinda sorta |
| 19:00:33 | <steering> | there's a way to disable it |
| 19:00:43 | <steering> | it's a driver though |
| 19:01:00 | <klea> | aaaa |
| 19:01:33 | <steering> | https://support.faronics.com/help/en-ca/29-deep-freeze-windows/103-how-do-i-enable-or-disable-deep-freeze |
| 19:01:34 | <klea> | > every morning it would thrash the disk for an hour or two installing updates <- it should've instead spent an hour or two doing all AT DPoS projects with maximum concurrency. |
| 19:01:47 | <nicolas17> | as an "administrator" you can turn deepfreeze off and reboot |
| 19:02:13 | <nicolas17> | maybe needs a deepfreeze-specific password rather than the admin login password |
| 19:02:46 | <klea> | i thought deepfreeze was something that replaced part of the start of the boot part, so that it'd restore some specific windows restore point automatically. |
| 19:03:18 | <nicolas17> | I think it's a driver that redirects all writes to another location |
| 19:03:32 | <steering> | yeah, that's my understanding |
| 19:03:34 | <klea> | > Maybe you should replace it with a window. <- i'm not authorized to take the big android tablet off the wall, i believe. |
| 19:03:42 | <steering> | basically after boot nothing can change the actual disk |
| 19:03:58 | <klea> | then, how does it thrash the disk? |
| 19:04:08 | <steering> | it still does the update |
| 19:04:12 | <klea> | to ram? |
| 19:04:23 | <steering> | presumably its storing the file table updates in ram but the actual data on disk or smth, who knows |
| 19:04:46 | <nicolas17> | second partition holding the 'diff' maybe |
| 19:05:27 | <klea> | !todo.suggets klea~priority~never Research and try to break deepfreeze and similar programs, potentially consider writing your own. |
| 19:05:45 | <nicolas17> | it's important for its use case that rebooting brings the computer back to the original frozen state "instantly", rather than having to write several gigabytes of snapshot back into place |
| 19:06:14 | <klea> | oh wait, if it's kernel driver i can't write my own**** |
| 19:06:47 | <nicolas17> | on Linux you can probably get quite far with a union mount as done by docker |
| 19:06:59 | <steering> | i mean, there's a million ways to do it on linux |
| 19:07:28 | <klea> | yes, on linux i could. |
| 19:07:33 | <nicolas17> | LiveCDs do it (with the writable layer stored in RAM) |
| 19:07:45 | <steering> | COW fs snapshots would probably be one of the simplest and quickest |
| 19:07:47 | <klea> | I am talking about writing kernel module for windows (and having it work everywhere without having to do shit bureocracy with windows) |
| 19:07:53 | <klea> | s/windows/microshaft/. |
| 19:08:12 | <nicolas17> | klea: that's even worse in this AI era |
| 19:08:20 | <klea> | huh? |
| 19:08:24 | <steering> | I am talking about writing kernel module for microshaft (and having it work everywhere without having to do shit bureocracy with windows) |
| 19:10:02 | <egallager> | oh man I remember the computers in my college university library's computer lab having Faronics Deepfreeze on them; it was such a pain |
| 19:10:18 | <egallager> | I wasted so much time trying to defeat it |
| 19:11:13 | <egallager> | (this was over a decade ago now) |
| 19:12:12 | <steering> | the best fun of it was waiting for windows to create your profile every single day |
| 19:12:29 | <klea> | lovely |
| 19:12:32 | <steering> | (except for the days when it randomly wouldn't have rebooted itself) |
| 19:12:55 | <nicolas17> | klea: https://nitter.net/UTMapp/status/1939397125806477563 |
| 19:12:56 | <steering> | IDK how windows manages to make first-time login take so damn long tbh |
| 19:14:23 | <klea> | nicolas17: oh i guess next CCC could have a fun talk about how to calculate microshaft's private keys for signing kernel drivers :p /silly /shitpost /joke |
| 19:14:45 | <nicolas17> | ironically there's so many bot-sounding replies to that tweet |
| 19:21:14 | <steering> | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Full_Disk_Encryption_From_Scratch#Yubikey_Protected_GPG_keyfile oh huh |
| 19:21:23 | <steering> | I guess I should just do that then shouldn't I xD |
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| 21:52:38 | <steering> | aaaaa why does it take so long to write/read 500GB to HDD? xD |
| 21:53:02 | <klea> | mhmm |
| 21:53:34 | | steering doesnt even have any of his media to help him wait since its all on that system |
| 21:53:37 | <klea> | im thinking if i should setup syncthing on my laptop, or just leave at what was my laptop, i made my nix config so that it won't be setup, but am a bit unsure. |
| 21:53:43 | <klea> | oh |
| 21:53:50 | <klea> | steering: may i pm? |
| 21:54:21 | <steering> | # dd if=/mnt/data/1n1p5.img of=/dev/mapper/nvme1n1p5 status=progress |
| 21:54:21 | <steering> | 408357687808 bytes (408 GB, 380 GiB) copied, 3273 s, 125 MB/s |
| 21:54:23 | <steering> | zz |
| 21:54:27 | <steering> | sure |
| 21:59:45 | | klea wonders what happens if steering runs zzz in another terminal |
| 22:00:59 | | steering also wonders |
| 22:01:10 | <steering> | probably command not found |
| 22:04:20 | <nicolas17> | 125MB/s is great |
| 22:05:58 | <steering> | it got like 210 reading from SSD and writing to HDD :P |
| 22:06:44 | <steering> | yay it done |
| 22:08:07 | <steering> | aieeee |
| 22:08:12 | | steering realizes he forgot to resize |
| 22:09:23 | <nicolas17> | 125 reading from hdd, 210 writing to hdd? are you sure that's not doing heavy buffering in RAM? :P |
| 22:09:40 | <steering> | i mean, probably :P |
| 22:12:33 | <steering> | [ 7200.788308] EXT4-fs (dm-5): bad geometry: block count 122070784 exceeds size of device (122066688 blocks) |
| 22:12:42 | <steering> | yep definitely didnt waste my time waiting on it or anything \o/ |
| 22:14:10 | <nicolas17> | ugh |
| 22:14:35 | <nicolas17> | I made a script that reads a block from A, reads from B, and writes to B only if they differ |
| 22:14:51 | <nicolas17> | but that wouldn't help you here because your bottleneck is reading from A |
| 22:15:16 | <klea> | are there nvme nvme hdds? |
| 22:15:20 | | steering wonders how long resize2fs will take |
| 22:15:56 | <nicolas17> | klea: there are NVMe HDDs, but I don't think they are that much faster |
| 22:16:09 | <nicolas17> | steering: wait resize2fs of what? |
| 22:16:18 | <klea> | on old disk |
| 22:16:22 | <steering> | the image |
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| 22:16:26 | <nicolas17> | ohh |
| 22:16:31 | <klea> | huh |
| 22:16:34 | <klea> | wait |
| 22:16:34 | <klea> | what |
| 22:16:41 | <klea> | /dev/mapper/nvme1n1p5 looks wrong |
| 22:16:46 | <steering> | its not |
| 22:16:56 | <nicolas17> | klea: "old disk" is really an image file on an hdd |
| 22:17:17 | <klea> | nicolas17: oh. |
| 22:17:29 | <steering> | im encrypting my / by copying it to HDD with tons of free space, then copying it back into the new encrypted partition |
| 22:17:45 | <steering> | poor-man's in-place encryption :P |
| 22:18:19 | <klea> | oh |
| 22:18:22 | <klea> | lovely |
| 22:18:39 | <klea> | i wonder if someone could send me a disk with tons of free space for me to do that /s |
| 22:18:55 | <klea> | (i had bought a new sata ssd that i put on my laptop to encrypt the new os to) |
| 22:19:43 | <steering> | tbh im not actually sure how much space is used, its possible i could've imaged it to the other SSD... lol |
| 22:20:43 | <nicolas17> | steering: "resize2fs -P" will tell you the number of blocks used (or rather "how many blocks it would need if shrunk to the smallest possible") and quit without resizing anything |
| 22:21:00 | <nicolas17> | ofc it won't work it if an actual resize is already in progress now |
| 22:22:34 | <steering> | -M tells the same ;) i'd just have to do the math |
| 22:23:08 | <steering> | 171GB apparently, so yeah it woulda fit on SSD |
| 22:23:11 | <klea> | i wonder if i should try to repartition live iso whilst booted off a live iso. |
| 22:23:41 | <nicolas17> | you're actually running -M? |
| 22:23:50 | <steering> | yes |
| 22:25:11 | <klea> | i suppose steering already did it by filling the mapper already anyways but if not, consider filling the nvme mapper with random data before so it's not possible to see how much of the disk was used (i believe this is a good practice?) |
| 22:25:31 | <nicolas17> | depends on your threat model |
| 22:26:09 | <steering> | yeah i did pretty effectively overwrite it all i think |
| 22:26:12 | <nicolas17> | idc if someone knows how much of my disk is used, but a randomized SSD with no actually-zero blocks will be slower to write to |
| 22:26:15 | <steering> | although i also dont really care |
| 22:26:45 | <steering> | the bigger problem would be data remaining from before it was encrypted tbh |
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| 22:27:28 | <klea> | time to have steering close luks, pass a few sweeps of random data to the drive, and then back. |
| 22:27:42 | <klea> | i should do that on my old laptop's old ssd that's now in the new laptop (nvme) |
| 22:30:53 | <steering> | The filesystem on 1n1p5.img is now 44979705 (4k) blocks long. |
| 22:30:57 | <steering> | yay. |
| 22:33:55 | | steering did go blkdiscard the (raw) partition though |
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| 22:34:23 | <klea> | Q: if i did blkdiscard, does that mean my data has been safety deleted? |
| 22:34:45 | <steering> | your data has never been safely deleted on a SSD :P |
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| 22:36:23 | <klea> | oh |
| 22:36:37 | <klea> | how do i make sure the ssd doesn't leave notcat |
| 22:41:53 | <nicolas17> | the only way to "safely delete" data is to lose your encryption key |
| 22:42:45 | <@JAA> | Fast, too |
| 22:44:07 | <nicolas17> | Apple SSDs used to have "effaceable storage" for that (a small part of flash that guaranteed no wear leveling, and they stored the keys there) |
| 22:44:40 | <nicolas17> | idk if they still have it, but there's better "make keys unavailable" measures in the secure enclave now |
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| 23:53:56 | <steering> | wtfffffffffffffff |
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| 23:54:35 | | steering trying to make a new image so that he can grow /boot but dd keeps freezing in D state for several minutes |
| 23:58:35 | <steering> | 46952742912 bytes (47 GB, 44 GiB) copied, 344 s, 136 MB/s |
| 23:58:45 | <steering> | why is entirely-SSD going even slower smdh |
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