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| 16:56:17 | <steering> | lmao the amount of over-packaging the logistics team at work did on this computer they sent me... ESD bag taped shut at the mouth, folded over and taped to itself in 3 places, packed in styrofoam, and then the shipping box taped around all edges |
| 16:59:17 | <steering> | (it's a typical nearly invulnerable chonk of aluminum chinese fanless system) |
| 16:59:37 | <@imer> | steering: dont complain :p much better than not enough packing |
| 16:59:46 | <steering> | i guess |
| 17:00:18 | <steering> | why, I remember when we'd send this kinda stuff (for internal use) by just throwing it in a box and wedging a couple pieces of torn-up styrofoam around the sides :P |
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| 17:04:13 | <that_lurker> | It needs to be in line with the standard and withstand a drop from 1.5 meter if I remember correctly |
| 17:09:29 | <steering> | meh, realistically the only thing that happens to these guys is the dimms pop out and have to get reseated |
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| 18:20:00 | <that_lurker> | https://www.crowdsupply.com/open-tools/open-printer |
| 18:20:09 | <that_lurker> | oh someone is again trying to make an open printer |
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| 20:32:14 | <that_lurker> | "Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45483386 |
| 20:32:17 | <that_lurker> | oof |
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| 20:46:55 | <nulldata> | No need for backups when it's in The Butt |
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| 22:10:18 | <nicolas17> | use cloud storage from a commercial provider to avoid data loss oh wait https://status.digitalocean.com/incidents/tmnyhddpkyvf |
| 22:12:09 | <kline> | that_lurker, "Open Printer will use the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license for all of its files, including electronics and mechanical design files, firmware code, and the bill of materials." |
| 22:12:15 | <kline> | shame its not a free/open license |
| 22:14:10 | <kline> | https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/NonCommercial_interpretation#Choosing_NC_for_your_content |
| 22:19:59 | <TheTechRobo> | NC is interesting. Does that mean it can't easily be sold? |
| 22:36:23 | <kline> | TheTechRobo, yeah, it makes large swathes of useful "industry" not possible. CC was designed for artistic works, not software, hardware, or products |
| 22:39:00 | <kline> | this means that you probably cannot produce and sell implementations of the openprinter (for example, if you were in a region outside where the crowdfunded campaign will ship, it's not possible for anyone else to produce and sell it locally), nor can you create and sell modifications/improvements, it also makes it hard to offer it as any kind of service (making it difficult |
| 22:39:02 | <kline> | to get into traditional sectors like government or education, where they tend to trade money for operations risk management - they pay you to provide the service to some SLA) |
| 22:39:55 | <kline> | probably would have been better to license it with the CERN hardware license or some OSHW license combined with GPL software |
| 22:40:32 | <steering> | so long as they hold the copyright, there's nothing stopping them from licensing it for commercial use to anyone willing to pay them |
| 22:41:32 | <kline> | yes, but then its not very open/free |
| 22:42:14 | <steering> | many people disagree with that statement |
| 22:42:34 | <kline> | thats ok |
| 22:43:28 | <steering> | *shrug* indeed it is |
| 22:43:53 | <kline> | i guess the core of my concern is: 1) is this an accident, where they have chosen a license with good intentions but unintended consequences, or 2) will they instead exploit the "free/open printer" hype but then work hard on making money by controlling the supply (either by first party production or by licensing) |
| 22:46:10 | <steering> | in the absence of evidence, I would assume #2. that's generally why you choose such a license. |
| 22:47:14 | <steering> | I'm sure they'll even be happy to accept PRs too, with a CLA :P |
| 22:47:18 | <kline> | hah |
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| 23:04:46 | <that_lurker> | I don’t think the law of most countries would allow the sell oh truly open printers as there is no trace dots being printed and that is a requirement |
| 23:05:19 | <that_lurker> | has been a while since I last checked so I could be wrong |
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