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00:02:33<BlankEclair>etsy witches++
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00:02:35<BlankEclair>!kfind etsy
00:02:36<eggdrop>[karma] 3 matches for 'etsy': NetSysFire: '3' etsy witches: '1' etsy: '-2'
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00:07:42<steering>what the heck
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14:19:31<steering>so many people coming out of the woodwork to condemn the shooting death of a man who explicitly said his own death was worth it
14:20:11<steering>funny how none of them are posting anything about with kids who got murdered at school at the same time
14:20:28<steering>funny how the flags are at half staff for the guy who said his death was worth it but not the kids who did absolutely nothing wrong
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15:06:01<nukke>tell me about it. I'm in MN
15:17:16<corentin>steering: "who explicitly said his own death was worth it" what a stretch
15:17:54<steering>corentin: "I think it's worth it to have some shooting deaths every year"
15:18:25<steering>you're right, though. we all know he didn't think his own death was worth it. that's the whole point. he only thought other people dying was worth it.
15:20:05<corentin>Saying that is also a stretch, you perfectly know that what he meant isn't that "people dying was worth it", just that the bad side of people having access to guns has to be accepted for the greater benefit
15:20:31<steering>he literally and explicitly said people dying is worth it. that was literally the thing he was saying.
15:20:54<corentin>You know there is a difference between words, their literal meaning, and the idea behind a sentence
15:21:08<steering>ok? and the idea behind his sentence was that it is worth it.
15:21:16<steering>jesus h christ.
15:21:25<corentin>Because the way you express that you're making it believe he didn't care about people dying, which isn't true, IMHO
15:21:57<steering>it's not like it's even a *new* idea, he just says it more openly than most
15:23:10<steering>it's literally the response any time people go "why can't we have sane requirements for buying a gun" - oh nooooo we can't have anyyyyyy requirements its the only right i care about!
15:23:12<corentin>Saying some deaths every year are worth it to keep 2nd amendment is like saying some deaths in an army is worth it to keep peace somewhere. It's all about balance, and it doesn't mean anyone is happy about anyone dying
15:23:28<anarcat>may i kindly suggest that this might not be the best space to resolve this hairy political issues you americans seem to revel in debating
15:23:39<corentin>I'm so much not american dude..
15:23:49<anarcat>okay
15:23:50<anarcat>dude
15:24:03<anarcat>certainly seem to care about the 2nd amendment though
15:24:11<anarcat>isn't that a thing in the american legal system of some sort?
15:24:36<anarcat>not that, as a non-american, i am in any position to qualify
15:24:39<corentin>I do care about it, because I care about every people's right to fight against tyranny and their own government when needed
15:24:47<anarcat>okay
15:24:49<anarcat>dude
15:24:53<corentin>I wish we had the equivalent in my country, maybe we would be in a better shape
15:25:03<anarcat>may i then suggest that this is not the best space to debate that issue, in any case?
15:25:11<BornOn420>yeah, cause the US in great shape
15:25:14<corentin>You can suggest it yes
15:25:18<anarcat>okay
15:25:26<anarcat>can i put it in stronger terms?
15:25:43<anarcat>let me rephrase that
15:25:46<anarcat>do i need to put it in stronger terms?
15:26:03<corentin>BornOn420: I don't think any country in occident is in particularly great shape, but I think many countries are in worse shape than the USA (from my european perspective obviously)
15:28:20<corentin>It's easy to say "my country" or "X country" is in bad shape (I do it for mine), when you look at any country you can see so many things going wrong, but when you compare countries at a bigger scale.. helps to put things in the right perspective, imo (meaning I don't think the USA is particularly in a bad shape)
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15:28:47<corentin>anarcat: you don't need to ask permission to speak your mind I think
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15:29:30<anarcat>okay
15:29:32<anarcat>get off my lawn?
15:30:20<corentin>why are you upset?
15:31:28<anarcat>because i think this is a futile debate, and i don't think it's the place to have it
15:31:51<anarcat>you both made your points, it's clear you'll never agree on this, or convince one another
15:32:43<anarcat>i also believe you're completely wrong, but i don't want to enter in this debate with you, because i don't believe *i* can change your mind, especially if you "don't believe the USA is particularly in a bad shape"
15:32:50<anarcat>so, moving on?
15:33:25<anarcat>i mean i can just leave too, if people believe this is a good place to talk about gun violence and fascism in the USA
15:33:34<anarcat>you tell me
15:34:23<corentin>I don't think anyone talked about fascism here
15:34:30<corentin>Neither did anyone talk about "gun violence"
15:34:33<corentin>at least I did not
15:34:55<anarcat>no, i did
15:34:57<anarcat>clearly
15:35:05<corentin>"you both made your points, it's clear you'll never agree on this, or convince one another" -> and this is exactly by that kind of behaviour that our society are slowly dying
15:35:08<anarcat>right up there ^
15:35:31<anarcat>corentin: no, this is what might save the internet, and society
15:35:39<corentin>to not talk?
15:35:45<corentin>save the internet?
15:36:00<anarcat>this adolescent belief that we can all just sit down together and this one great table, type on keyboards and pretend we're all one is ridiculous, and a failure of human history
15:36:31<anarcat>whatever
15:36:32<corentin>so.. you think we're not one specie, and we can't discuss.. What's the result of that?
15:36:41<anarcat>you clearly want to get in an argument with people
15:36:44<anarcat>you have fun
15:36:51<corentin>I don't, I was just answering someone, and you attacked me
15:36:57<anarcat>haha
15:36:59<anarcat>riight
15:37:04<anarcat>okay dude
15:37:16<anarcat>sorry you got hurt there by my talking
15:37:59<corentin>I didn't get hurt, you told me "get off my lawn", if it's not an attack at least we can maybe agree that it's not friendly
15:38:17<corentin>I didn't start any argument, I just answered someone's comment on an event, by giving my view of it
15:38:32<corentin>Yes it's meaningless, you're free to not care about what I think, it's all good
15:40:07<corentin>You're the one who is doing a lot of talking, throwing big words like fascism and "gun violence", in response to 2 persons exchanging their view something, if you don't care about any of it and don't want to hear about any of it, you're free to ignore you know
15:42:38<anarcat>so how about that local sports team
15:42:58<corentin>I am not aware of what you mean by that, can you explain please?
15:44:40<corentin>ahh, I didn't have the reference lmao
15:44:48<corentin>good one
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15:50:35<corentin>absolutely unrelated: if there are good software engineers around here, passionate about web archiving (aren't we all), and looking for a (good) job, dm me
16:01:43<steering>and this is why i just /ignore when people start insisting that we all ignore reality :)
16:02:03joepie91|m is quite wary of anyone trying to defend Charlie Kirk's morals
16:04:14<joepie91|m>particularly when that defense involves trying to find a more generous reading in a very literal statement
16:04:32<joepie91|m>by that point you're frankly deluding yourself about what's going on
16:07:47<steering>PS: corentin: please understand that I *am* an American, and intimately familiar with NRA-logic. Furthermore, I did not ever say that he was happy about his death - in fact I don't believe he was happy about anyone's death, I don't think he was *that* terrible of a human being. What I said is exactly what he said: that it's "worth it".
16:10:52<@arkiver>hi
16:11:06<steering>And hell, I have 6 guns within a couple meters of me at this very moment. I grew up in Texas going hunting with a Republican father who owned probably around 50 guns. I have no problem with responsible gun ownership. I just have a problem with people who are against doing absolutely *anything* to actually address gun violence, especially when it doesn't impact responsible gun ownership in any way.
16:11:12<steering>/fin
16:11:13<@arkiver>so, yes as anarcat said in the beginning archiveteam is not really the place to discuss this kind of stuff
16:11:30<@arkiver>there are plenty of other discussion groups in which these can be held
16:11:34<@arkiver>but we're really here for archiving
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16:23:30<corentin>joepie91|m: no intent to be generous, I actually disagree with many things Charlie used to say, I just found the way steering expressed it (with the "funny.." things) to not be very honest with what, I think, Charlie was intending to say. of course, I might be 100% wrong, I am no specialist in any of these subject
16:23:43<@arkiver>corentin: Archive Team is not the place to discuss this
16:23:45<corentin>steering: "I did not ever say that he was happy about his death - in fact I don't believe he was happy about anyone's death" ok, that's what I understood, if that was not the case I apologize
16:23:49<corentin>sorry arkiver
16:23:50<@arkiver>...
16:23:53<corentin>I just wanted to apologize
16:23:59<corentin>I will shut up now!
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16:30:23<steering>don't worry y'all I'll be back :P
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16:30:52<@arkiver>:)
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