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02:12:45<steering>@StellaFoxxie that's the thing, neither in F nor in C is 80 a human habitable air temperature (in F it's survivable, for extended times, yes, but not habitable). so specify a unit. #lang_e
02:12:54steering wonders how this person thinks people survived before AC was invented
02:14:54<nicolas17>lmao that's 26C
02:15:06<nicolas17>weakling
02:15:06<BlankEclair>> [19/07/2025 12:12] * steering wonders how this person thinks people survived before AC was invented
02:15:10<BlankEclair>pre-global warming maybe
02:17:48<nicolas17>>26C temperatures predate global warming
02:18:54<BlankEclair>oh whoops
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02:29:29<steering>nicolas17: yeah its literally a couple degrees above "normal AC setpoint", I just about fell over laughing
02:30:23<steering>also.. person A: how do I make my Mac not go to sleep when I close it and tuck it under my arm and am walkign around with it?
02:30:37<steering>person B: why would you need that? it's sleep is /totally/ different from windows. just let it sleep!
02:31:07<steering>person C: its fine just get some third party software that keeps the screen from turning off. oh you explicitly said you wanted the screen to still turn off and lock? too bad.
02:31:18<nicolas17>depends for what
02:32:09<steering>person D: pff, why would you ever need it to not go to sleep? apple doesn't let you do that because its pointless! ok sure you could be running a compile or connecting to it over SSH or something. but daddy apple doesn't want you to do that so just don't do it!
02:32:26<nicolas17>when I close my Mac while it's plugged in, it goes to sleep, yet ssh instantly wakes it again
02:32:48<steering>the actual concern of person A was losing open connections.
02:33:09<steering>https://defcon.social/@deviantollam/114876290753647866
02:34:07<steering>(and i can confidently say that apple's standby was quite literally the exact same as windows until a few years ago considering it was the same damn hardware)
03:09:17<steering>speaking of crappy standby settings, I'm not entirely sure *what* Windows 11 has changed, but it annoys the crap out of me. All of our newer computers go to standby *very* aggressively and become unreachable almost as soon as the user walks away.
03:10:49<nicolas17>mac's wake stuff is crazy
03:11:30<steering>Thankfully I had just rolled out some actual standards for how our computers should be set up around the same time as Win 11 release. So they've almost all got WOL enabled, lol
03:11:44<nicolas17>services offered on the local network via mDNS service discovery will Just Work
03:12:49<nicolas17>right before a Mac goes to sleep, it finds a "sleep proxy" on the LAN (could be an always-on Mac, or even an Apple TV) and gives it all its mDNS records
03:13:14<steering>so in other words it will Just Work so long as you have more Apple devices :D
03:13:17<nicolas17>the proxy then impersonates the sleeping Mac, advertising its mDNS records and IP address
03:13:34<steering>thats neat though
03:14:04<nicolas17>"what printers are available", proxy goes "yes hi I'm a Mac I have these printers"
03:14:10<steering>I'm under the impression that Windows may still be listening for some things... or may just be waking itself up regularly... I'm not sure
03:14:13<nicolas17>then you try to connect to the printer service
03:14:22<nicolas17>and the proxy sends a WOL to the Mac
03:14:41<nicolas17>which then takes its IP address back
03:14:43<steering>but it certainly disconnects it from our RMM
03:15:38<nicolas17>I think on current Macs it doesn't use a proxy, but rather an mDNS responder in the NIC firmware?
03:16:18<nicolas17>brb
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03:16:23<steering>(and our RMM also doesn't wake-lock it or anything so it tries to go back to sleep again pretty quickly unless you connect to it graphically and start moving the mouse around)
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17:29:59<nukke>https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/giving-up-on-element-and-matrixorg/
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19:26:07<katia>old news as usual nukke we all knew matrix sucks
19:26:13<katia>did your ie.exe just load this?
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20:01:21<nukke>reported for bullying
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