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00:00:11<that_lurker>Holy shit that shit is expensive https://www.threadgroup.org/Becomemember#Membershipapplication
00:03:43<nukke>skip this month's avocado toast
00:04:36<that_lurker>i'll just stick with Philips hue and Govee stuff
00:05:59<nukke>I use a mix of ZigBee and Tasmota at home
00:06:45<nukke>technically it's mqtt but the devices are running tasmota fw
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00:23:37<nicolas17>I mean my answer would be to ignore what the thread group thinks and do it anyway, but that's not always an option
00:24:40<nicolas17>I have a tweet from yeeeaaars ago saying "fuck the IP police" with a screenshot of a decompiler along with the "you agree not to decompile" terms of use
00:32:39<nicolas17>pabs: https://chaos.social/@jiska/114835049083824207
00:34:05<that_lurker>I wonder if anyone else is doing ipsec over bluetooth
00:35:42<that_lurker>Could be good to have that on headphones or keyboards and mouses
00:36:03<nicolas17>why
00:36:44<that_lurker>would make all those interception attacs near impossible
00:37:11<that_lurker>for example https://insinuator.net/2025/06/airoha-bluetooth-security-vulnerabilities/
00:38:50<nicolas17>"these devices expose a powerful custom protocol that allows manipulating the device by, for example, reading and writing RAM or reading and writing to the flash" would be prevented by "don't expose that shit"
00:39:53<nicolas17>I don't want an ipsec-encrypted connection to read and write arbitrary memory with no authentication either :P
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00:42:36<that_lurker>yeah not the best example. I can't find the whitepaper on the latest bluetooth bluesnarfing (or whatever) attack
00:43:41<that_lurker>hmm interesting Logitech bolt uses Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman P-256 (ECDH) and AES-CCM encryption
00:44:20<nicolas17>it *is* true that Apple Watch uses the best encryption that BTLE has to offer *but* would survive all of it getting broken
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01:43:09<ymgve_>I wish archive.org had a "search all crawled URLs for this specific string" function
01:44:50<nicolas17>unfortunately that would need a huuuuge fte database :(
01:44:57<nicolas17>full text search*
01:46:46<ymgve_>yeah, but I can dream, can't I
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02:19:38<pabs>nicolas17: huh, requires a jailbroken iPhone and rooted Android. do iPhone jailbreaks still exist? and I thought Android rooting would be locked down by now too
02:22:08<nicolas17>yeah it's not practical yet
02:22:45<nicolas17>there are no iPhone jailbreaks for recent versions of iOS
02:22:54<nicolas17>but Apple has been claiming interoperability is just not possible so the EU will love to see this >.>
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02:43:32<TheTechRobo>Will these findings allow convincing an iPhone that something is an Apple Watch? Would be awesome to get notifications from my phone to KDE Connect.
02:45:29<nicolas17>you jailbreak your iPhone and hook into the process handling Apple Watch comms to steal the encryption key, and transfer it to the Android phone
02:45:42<nicolas17>you need the watch to be already paired to the iPhone
02:46:49<nicolas17>if you have an iPhone jailbreak, there would be easier ways to get notifications than to trick it into thinking it's talking to the watch :P
02:51:51<TheTechRobo>I don't have a jailbroken iPhone, unfortunately :P
02:52:56<nicolas17>displaying notifications could be done with https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/CoreBluetooth/Reference/AppleNotificationCenterServiceSpecification/Introduction/Introduction.html
02:53:53<nicolas17>third-party smartwatch vendors are pissed about the limitations of that protocol (like inability to reply to messages), and the anti-competitive aspect of the Apple Watch not having to cope with those limitations
02:54:12<nicolas17>but... it exists
02:55:14<TheTechRobo>Interesting, thanks! I'm not too concerned with replying to messages, so that is useful to me.
02:55:46<nicolas17>yeah I mean, replying to messages from notifications wasn't always a thing even directly on the phone
02:56:25<nicolas17>but "Apple Watch can do it and my watch can't because Apple doesn't let me" is a problem that smartwatch vendors are making very sure the EU knows about...
02:57:20<steering>pabs: you can always just flash an android phone and get root that way, well, not all phones, but easy enough to find ones...
02:57:58<steering>I haven't though about jailbreaks since I was in highschool and people would ask me if I could :P
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05:37:41<nukke>https://www.csoonline.com/article/4020919/mcdonalds-ai-hiring-tools-password-123456-exposes-data-of-64m-applicants.html
05:52:02<Umbire>normal world
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13:30:08<Dango360>i can't use ublock origin on chrome anymore... uuuuurrgh
13:30:44<Dango360>i almost lost my settings for it; my macbook still had that extension enabled
13:31:06<Dango360>using ubo lite now and it's... something
13:35:16<@JAA>Firefox++
13:35:16<eggdrop>[karma] 'Firefox' now has -14 karma!
13:42:06<anonymoususer852>"-14 karma" oof
13:51:13<steering>chrome--
13:51:14<steering>google--
13:51:14<eggdrop>[karma] 'chrome' now has -2 karma!
13:51:16<eggdrop>[karma] 'google' now has -13 karma!
13:51:33<steering>I can't in good conscience up firefox though
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14:05:56<Dango360>if i ever have to abandon ship (only reason i could think of is them adding a "no ad blockers at all" rule), any good web browsers?
14:13:11<nukke>Not really
14:25:27<lemuria><sarcasm>curl and manually read the html</sarcasm>
14:25:39<lemuria>ladybird is on its way but it won't be ready for a while
14:26:02<lemuria>really sucks how web browsers are a "sucks the least" thing instead of "is the best, and some suck" thing
14:30:05<that_lurker>I really wish Servo would get all needed features of a full fledged browser
14:30:10<that_lurker>though it is coming along nicely
14:33:08<anonymoususer852><sarcasm>lynx is also pretty good</sarcasm>
14:34:18<that_lurker>there is https://www.brow.sh
14:34:52<anonymoususer852>With the way the internet is with the alphabet company having an overwhelming presence virtually everywhere, you don't have much alternatives when they're also dictating their tone, which is to make it ad-driven.
14:36:09<anonymoususer852>In other words, this manifest v3 won't be the end of their shenanigans, for better or worse
14:36:09<that_lurker>thats why I wish servo would get finished and hopefully someone would use it make a full browser
14:37:16<that_lurker>at least servo will kill electron hopefully
14:37:59<anonymoususer852>Firefox++
14:37:59<eggdrop>[karma] 'Firefox' now has -13 karma!
14:39:00<anonymoususer852>I'll likely use firefox till something that isn't chromium-based or chrome, and that firefox software is dead
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16:38:54<nukke>I don't think I've run into a website that _doesn't_ work on firefox in nearly 10 years now
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16:39:24<nukke>actually nvm Google Meet video calls are a bit borked on FF
16:39:34<nukke>and zoom or teams too
16:40:43<nukke>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAQFDM5-zLU
16:40:57<nukke>play doom via embedded gifs
16:44:41<TheTechRobo>I've mostly seen fingerprinting with Firefox, not any actual incompatibilities. Subway, for example, started 403ing for me in the middle of my order (even on incognito), but switching to Chrome worked fine. And I've seen a couple of sites that told me to upgrade to a supported browser.
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16:44:51<nukke>discord++
16:44:51<eggdrop>[karma] 'discord' now has -25 karma!
16:45:43<nukke>oh also YouTube can be unusable on Firefox somedays
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16:46:34<nukke>I don't know if I'm getting A/B'd or if it's due to uBO needing updated rules, but every now and then videos take minutes to load
16:53:42<kiska>Slack can be a bit unstable in FF as well
16:54:34<kiska>Outlook can also fail to load sometimes in FF
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17:23:03<anonymoususer852>Certain websites protected by clownflare's turnstile-research challenge fails to work in Firefox, https://github.com/cloudflare/pp-browser-extension/issues/27 but otherwise it's a bunch of certain websites that are designed to work with chrome, like some government websites.
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20:16:22<nukke>Oh hey! Speak of the devil https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/09/openai-to-release-web-browser-in-challenge-to-google-chrome.html
20:16:44<nukke>You've heard of vibe coding
20:16:56<nukke>Get ready for vibe websurfing
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20:28:00<nicolas17>https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=time+since+2025-07-11T17%3A16%3A25.000Z what the fuck
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20:30:47<FireFly>*shrug* I guess they didn't implement parsing ISO timestamps
20:31:25<nicolas17>removing the T didn't work, still interprets the Z as something something atomic number
20:31:43<FireFly>replacing it with UTC works
20:31:50<FireFly>as in https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=time+since+2025-07-11+17%3A16%3A25.000+UTC
20:32:31<nicolas17>yep needed both changes
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23:43:04<nicolas17>https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Apple_Maps_icons I'm slowly losing my mind writing this
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