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00:00:00<nicolas17>organicmaps and osmand use offline maps, so their server needs don't increase with number of users, other than CDN
00:01:08<@JAA>OsmAnd had the annoyance of https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd/issues/15058 but at least it was resolved.
00:01:58<@JAA>Offline maps are a hard requirement for me as I use it for hiking and may not have any reception for hours.
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00:04:01<@JAA>OsmAnd was the only sensible option at the time, I think. Looks like Organic Maps only emerged in 2021.
00:04:27<nicolas17>organic maps emerged from maps.me
00:04:48<nicolas17>as a fork of the pre-enshittification source code
00:05:13<@JAA>Hmm, yeah, not sure, I don't think I ever heard about that one.
00:38:35<nulldata>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/05/vpn-firm-says-it-didnt-know-customers-had-lifetime-subscriptions-cancels-them/
00:41:01<@JAA>lol
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00:50:24<pabs>technically organicmaps can be packaged for Linux distros (I have the WIP Debian package, which is very broken), but it has limitations compared to the mobile platforms one
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01:04:23<nicolas17>“including the technology, domain, and customer database—but not the liabilities.”
01:04:37<nicolas17>buy the assets but not the liabilities? I don't think that's a thing
01:06:09<nicolas17>"We acknowledge that notifying users after the deactivation was a poor experience, and we take full responsibility for that,”
01:06:16<nicolas17>I don't think they understand what "taking responsibility" means
01:07:45<nicolas17>ah yes
01:07:50<nicolas17>nulldata: https://pluralistic.net/2022/04/30/disney-still-must-pay/ this is where I heard this before
01:08:15<nicolas17>"Disney said that when it acquired Lucasfilm, it only acquired its assets (including the right to continue publishing Foster's book), but not its liabilities (including the obligation to pay royalties to Foster). The contract lawyer's technical term for this is tu stupri cognati mihi ('are you fucking kidding me')."
01:21:23<nicolas17>wow :D https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42397927 -> https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2025-31226
01:25:41<@JAA>lol, but also, injecting variables into the printf format string, ew.
01:26:36<@JAA>> We're sorry but the CVE Website doesn't work properly without JavaScript enabled. Please enable it to continue.
01:26:39<@JAA>Nah, I'm good.
01:28:26<@JAA>(Also, you're not really sorry.)
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01:40:44<nicolas17>JAA: https://support.apple.com/en-us/122404 search ImageIO
01:41:59<@JAA>nicolas17: Yeah, I found the CVE on a nonscripty site, also. :-)
01:42:25<nicolas17>apparently there's also a fun unfixed bug in iMessage
01:42:27<@JAA>There's negative reason to require JS to display a short blurb of text and a handful of links.
01:44:30<nicolas17>if Alice sends Bob an audio message saying something like "I bought Ben and Jerry ice cream", iMessage automatically generates a transcript, the speech recognition knows about the company name and produces "Ben & Jerry"
01:44:52<nicolas17>that ends up in some internal XML that looks like <FILE name="Audio Message.caf" audio-transcription="I bought Ben & Jerry ice cream" />
01:45:13<@JAA>lol
01:45:14<nicolas17>this is invalid XML because the ampersand isn't escaped, and the recipient gets nothing (not even the audio message)
01:45:22<@JAA>Nice
01:49:10<pabs>sigh
01:51:23<nicolas17>for security reasons this is intentionally handled by a strict, out-of-process, highly-sandboxed parser, so when it sees invalid XML it immediately explodes
01:51:51<nicolas17>and by "explode" I mean
01:51:54<nicolas17>> BlastDoor contained an explosion with error: BlastDoor.Explosion(errorType: "XHTMLParseFailure")
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02:14:31<@OrIdow6>Disappointing that it's not going to lead to a fun security issue
02:14:38<@OrIdow6>But nice that they're containing it that much
02:15:54<@JAA>If they don't properly process &, I wonder what they do with ">... :-)
02:16:19<@JAA>In other words, someone needs to get https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/30/companies_house_xss_silliness/ into their transcription vocabulary.
02:20:58<nicolas17>OrIdow6: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/01/a-look-at-imessage-in-ios-14.html
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03:06:32<nukke>what is everyone using for notetaking?
03:07:24<nukke>I think I'm finally reaching limitations with QOwnNotes. Obsidian is an automatic no because of appimage and closed sores
03:16:20<nicolas17>https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/get-started-with-notes-iph9e04f3be2/ios
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03:22:20<@JAA>nano
03:22:28<@JAA>Sometimes cat
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03:50:51<@OrIdow6>Yeah I just use Kate haha
03:50:56<@OrIdow6>And sometimes echo >
03:52:42<@OrIdow6>I did use Cherrytree for lecture notes tho
03:53:45<@OrIdow6>Dislike Markdown and am fond of WYSIWYG editors for that
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03:58:01<@OrIdow6>nicolas17: Huh, neat, the exponential throttling is clever
03:58:31<@OrIdow6>Also I continue to be surprised that Apple leaves any comments in their stuff
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04:03:04<nicolas17>on the things they open source yeah... kinda
04:03:35<nicolas17>on others... well, thankfully they tend to keep symbols :P
04:04:43<nicolas17>if there were no function names I would give up immediately
04:04:53<nicolas17>idk how these kids decompiling SNES games manage to figure out anything from a blob of asm
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12:29:50<steering>anyone know a decent way to make sqlite load the whole db into memory? I mean, I can just copy it into tmpfs but then I have to deal with checkpointing it regularly
12:33:14<steering>seems like that's probably my best option
12:44:49<katia>vmtouch?
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13:01:13<steering>hmm, that would probably work
13:01:18<steering>never heard of it before :P
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14:50:36<kuroger>Is there any statistics page other than the individual project trackers? Like a individual user statistics or similar?
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14:55:35<@arkiver>kuroger: there is no overal statistics page, no
14:57:55<kuroger>Ok, was just wondering as I wanted to turn off a machine with my own statistics running. Maybe its a better idea to make something public, or is this not something that would be interesting?
14:59:57<@arkiver>not really currently i think
15:00:07<@arkiver>i do kind of like the idea of a "reset" between projects
15:00:23<@arkiver>it allows for new people to get high on those leaderboards as well
15:01:31<kuroger>True. Guess there could be other interesting stats for single projects like ingestion rate and what not. Il leave it for later on, just wanted to check if there was something already available
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15:20:21<that_lurker>I think someone made a global leaderboard. Not sure if it was kiska
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15:26:12<kuroger>Ok. Would love a link if anyone have found something like that
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17:40:48<nukke>https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/12/cisa_vulnerabilities_updates_x/
17:40:57<nukke>I just puked all over
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19:23:15<Barto>JAA: i guess i'm running weechat in screen as root now
19:23:20<Barto>whoops
19:23:52<Barto>would you look at that, a screen update
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19:28:35<Barto>patched ;)
19:34:05<@JAA>nukke: You don't like RSS?
19:34:12<@JAA>Barto: Heh
19:40:43<that_lurker>Just run screen inside tmux :-P
19:41:00<Barto>Why didnt i think of that!
19:59:39<nulldata>https://www.yahoo.com/news/obscenity-bill-could-trigger-boldest-235433660.html
20:03:57<that_lurker>why do they have this weird obession on making porn illegal
20:07:18<@OrIdow6>The quotes from them suggest that if porn is legal people are being forced to watch it too
20:10:44<@OrIdow6>A similar current as when they fighting gay marriage, that making it legal would make it mandatory
20:12:43<@OrIdow6>I realize that in circles a lot of people here run in defector might be overwrought as of late but I did like this one https://defector.com/i-will-take-an-annoying-world-over-a-sterile-one
20:14:47<@OrIdow6>In other news, I did randomly see a comment of yours promoting https://arcan-fe.com/ on HN pabs, I've looked at that (and even got one of its programs to run once) and it does feel like it could, or could have been, the future, but the documentation is pretty sparse
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21:52:22<nicolas17>I have a Concern
21:52:26<nicolas17>https://bsky.app/profile/moonbase.lgbt/post/3logjmded4k2m
21:52:42<nicolas17>she has been finding a worrying number of self-hosted blogs with photos with GPS EXIF info
21:53:27<nicolas17>(popular hosted blogging platforms probably redact that info)
21:53:56<nicolas17>she emails the blog owner to warn them but
21:54:14<Barto>not the first time i hear about the problem, and this wont be the last time
21:54:19<nicolas17>what happens when they fix the images and the old version is still on WBM
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21:56:59<nicolas17>and what if we let them know they can ask IA to take it down, and they end up getting the whole URL (all versions incl. fixed one) or the whole *website* blocked?
21:57:12<Barto>blogs os a thing, but now get any chat apps, have you audited it?
21:57:36<nicolas17>like what?
21:58:00<Barto>pick Telemessage :P
21:58:09<Barto>do they prune the exif data in pictures
21:58:11<Barto>:p
21:58:28<nicolas17>in the case of telemessage who gives a shit
21:58:31<Barto>:D
21:58:57<nicolas17>in the case of whatsapp/telegram/discord/matrix or stuff of similar popularity, they do clean up exif
21:59:09<nicolas17>and so do popular hosted blogging platforms
21:59:46<nicolas17>the problem is people self-hosting static-site-generator stuff
21:59:55<Barto>yeah
22:00:02<Barto>anyway, gotta have a nap now
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