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| 01:01:46 | <Larsenv> | good job kiska |
| 01:01:58 | <Larsenv> | was it not possible to use a different account? |
| 01:01:58 | <Larsenv> | Lol |
| 01:11:10 | <datechnoman> | I had to send them ID for my account |
| 01:26:03 | <nukke> | is that even legal in the EU? |
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| 02:01:51 | <steering> | nicolas17: inb4 just ban the bot account |
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| 03:43:43 | <BlankEclair> | > [07/05/2025 11:11] <datechnoman> I had to send them ID for my account |
| 03:43:47 | <BlankEclair> | i prepaid 20 EUR ^^; |
| 03:44:01 | <BlankEclair> | (i got a choice between id and prepayment, though i assume that's universal) |
| 03:57:52 | <@JAA> | It varies at least by location of residence, probably several other factors, too. |
| 03:58:28 | <nicolas17> | whether they can send the mafia to your home if you don't pay or not |
| 03:58:47 | <@JAA> | Something like that, yeah. |
| 04:10:37 | <datechnoman> | Haha I had no choice. I would definately had paid over sending my personal information... :( |
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| 10:39:44 | <BlankEclair> | > [07/05/2025 13:57] <JAA> It varies at least by location of residence, probably several other factors, too. |
| 10:39:45 | <BlankEclair> | oh huh, til |
| 10:39:47 | <BlankEclair> | and wtf :/ |
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| 12:11:05 | | steering lies and says he's from Trustworthyville |
| 12:11:15 | <steering> | ezpz |
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| 15:08:11 | <mystique_altrosky> | kiska: yeah hetzner is the worst |
| 15:08:44 | <mystique_altrosky> | They gave a buddy of mine 3 weeks to move 7PB worth of storage servers and only last minute they extended it with another month |
| 15:08:47 | <mystique_altrosky> | and then another |
| 15:08:51 | <mystique_altrosky> | but it was very painful |
| 15:09:29 | <mystique_altrosky> | does make for great blogposts https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-storage-115858383 |
| 15:09:38 | <mystique_altrosky> | https://www.patreon.com/posts/2024-stressed-119012624 |
| 15:13:24 | <@arkiver> | mystique_altrosky: do you know why hetzner wanted tit gone? |
| 15:14:11 | <mystique_altrosky> | arkiver: so to save 2eur per server, this was all hosted in *helsinki* |
| 15:15:08 | <@arkiver> | and... that was a problem somehow? |
| 15:15:19 | <mystique_altrosky> | the termination mail came when he had the fun problem of "i need sha256 and sha1 hashes of every file" so he had to basically download 9pb and run his storage servers servers at full tilt for a month |
| 15:15:31 | <@arkiver> | ouch |
| 15:15:51 | <mystique_altrosky> | arkiver: yes, he was doing so much on hetzners backbone from helsinki to frankfurt that hetzner decided to just do this nonsense |
| 15:16:17 | <joepie91|m> | I imagine that the reputation of the service might also not have helped... |
| 15:17:14 | <joepie91|m> | the reputation as a warez host, I mean - it tends to not be appreciated by hosting providers, especially cheap ones |
| 15:17:43 | <mystique_altrosky> | joepie91|m: this is nonsense, these servers at hetzner are *storage servers* served by the frontend elsewhere, hetzner doesnt even know whats hosted on these storage servers and i hate when people argue that it's due to abuse(csam, dmca, etc) because its simply not true |
| 15:18:23 | <mystique_altrosky> | arkiver: But then another fun thing happened, a few weeks later hetzner announces that they're going to start to offer their own s3 storage product |
| 15:19:17 | <joepie91|m> | mystique_altrosky: the thing is that when you draw the attention of a provider, the calculus changes; the provider sometimes starts *actively looking into* what you're doing with the server, doing research if needed to determine whether you're too high-risk a customer for them |
| 15:19:56 | <joepie91|m> | "hetzner doesn't even know what's on the servers" is true as long as you don't stand out in their monitoring systems, but "sustained high amounts of traffic" is exactly the sort of thing that would make someone stand out |
| 15:20:19 | <joepie91|m> | it's still not a guarantee that this was a factor in their decision, but it's definitely plausible that it would have been |
| 15:20:51 | <joepie91|m> | and unless you're doing some serious obfuscation, it's usually not too hard to figure out what a server is being used for, even without shell access to the server itself |
| 15:21:07 | <mystique_altrosky> | yeah the backbone helsinki-->frankfurt traffic is expensive for them |
| 15:21:35 | <joepie91|m> | most of the traffic going to a single IP or set of IPs that's also serving a frontend for a site with a warez reputation (whether accurate or otherwise)? yeah, now they would know what it's for... |
| 15:21:56 | <joepie91|m> | right |
| 15:22:41 | <joepie91|m> | also to be clear I am not opposed to pixeldrain or even piracy, for that matter; I'm just saying that this is what the risk assessment process at a lot of providers looks like |
| 15:24:08 | <joepie91|m> | it's why a lot of the more seriously high-risk things have more complex proxying setups, like having it go through a chain of 3 different servers, frontend server -> intermediate server at another provider -> backend server at yet *another* provider |
| 15:24:14 | <@arkiver> | mystique_altrosky: do you think it may have been related to the s3 storage announcement? |
| 15:24:20 | <@arkiver> | freeing up space in that location :P |
| 15:24:37 | <mystique_altrosky> | yes |
| 15:24:43 | <@arkiver> | ouch |
| 15:25:35 | <mystique_altrosky> | joepie91|m: he also had his account full of false abuse cases because hetzner said "stop ddosing this ip address" while he was just deploying a new CDN node :D |
| 15:25:49 | <mystique_altrosky> | hetzner does not like it when you do 50gbits to one ip |
| 15:25:57 | <mystique_altrosky> | and they would nullroute this ip |
| 15:26:18 | <joepie91|m> | ah yeah, that one I've definitely heard of before |
| 15:26:47 | <joepie91|m> | gotta thank the booters for that I guess |
| 15:27:20 | <mystique_altrosky> | yes i've heard of 100g of actual ddos coming out of hetzner before, lol |
| 15:27:29 | <mystique_altrosky> | 1tbits from oracle cloud |
| 15:28:55 | <mystique_altrosky> | i mean, stuff like this is sold in the open https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5528673.0 |
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| 15:44:17 | <joepie91|m> | wow, bitcointalk has turned into a cesspool |
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| 15:46:01 | <mystique_altrosky> | joepie91|m: ehh that marketplace has always been questionable |
| 15:47:07 | <joepie91|m> | it's absolutely drowning in this kind of garbage now, that definitely wasn't the case in the early days |
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