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| 00:41:15 | <pabs> | https://chronicles.mad-scientist.club/tales/the-cost-of-poison/ |
| 00:51:44 | <pabs> | joepie91|m: also adding AGPLv3 is zero risk to Redis, they still have the CLA, and AGPLv3 is toxic to Amazon/etc |
| 01:00:05 | | pabs would love to see Amazon offer a Redis service, comply with the AGPLv3 and do revenue sharing; incentivise more commercial projects to go that route |
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| 01:06:24 | <qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2> | (https://archive.today/20250502005655/https://chronicles.mad-scientist.club/tales/the-cost-of-poison/ if anyone else gets false positived by the bot detection) |
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| 01:25:10 | <qwertyasdfuiopghjkl2> | Looks like https://mad-scientist.club/ is excluded from WBM, so someone should add it to https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/List_of_websites_excluded_from_the_Wayback_Machine |
| 01:43:38 | <steering> | our UK and EU offices get their like 4th or 5th holiday of the year on Monday for May Day |
| 01:44:01 | <steering> | US gets our 2nd at the end of the month -.- |
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| 04:53:58 | <atphoenix> | @steering, a while back you commented on electric kettles being amazing. I must say yes...yes they are. At least until you find out about countertop electric water boilers that are fairly common in east Asia. Tiger and Zojirushi make a variety of 3L - 5L sized units. Fill with water, and then they keep the water at your preferred temp as long as they have power. No delay waiting for hot water in the morning. |
| 04:54:50 | <steering> | atphoenix: to be fair, in the US that's called a coffee maker, and it only heats the water when needed :P |
| 04:55:34 | <steering> | I would have no interest keeping it hot all the time, I use it once a week maybe |
| 04:56:51 | <atphoenix> | no, it's different. A coffee maker doesn't keep the water hot 24x7, and isn't great for making tea or farina or oatmeal or hot chocolate |
| 04:57:48 | <atphoenix> | It's used a lot in my house. It's a complete game changer on the same order as a electric kettle, but no waiting. |
| 04:58:55 | <steering> | well yes, "it only heats the water when needed", that's a plus for most people :P |
| 04:58:57 | <atphoenix> | we previously used electric kettle, until we by chance discovered one of these units and tried it :) |
| 04:59:20 | <steering> | if I was a tea drinker (or oatmeal or whatever) I'd probably think differently |
| 04:59:45 | <steering> | but my kettle mostly gets used for ramen, if I used it often enough to keep water hot all the time I'd have serious sodium issues ;) |
| 05:00:17 | <atphoenix> | one's habits may change when 208 F hot water is available 24x7. Has happened to us...and two other households I introduced these devices to. |
| 05:00:42 | <steering> | perhaps |
| 05:01:13 | <steering> | I used to work at (and live within a minute's walk of) a gas station with instant hot water though and it didn't do much for me :P |
| 05:01:54 | <steering> | to be fair that might have had something to do with my laziness since I'd spend 4-5 minutes waiting for water to boil on the stove instead of walking there and back |
| 05:03:57 | <@JAA> | atphoenix: That sounds like a ridiculous waste of energy unless you use hot water constantly. |
| 05:04:04 | <atphoenix> | the friction of any walk outside of the home can't be underestimated. Weather, getting dressed, whatever. |
| 05:04:35 | <atphoenix> | The unit I have is vacuum insulated. It's not that bad on energy. |
| 05:04:40 | <steering> | Ehh, nah, just the physical effort of walking, I had roommates so I was always dressed and it was Texas so basically any clothing was too much clothing 4/5ths of the year :P |
| 05:05:16 | <@JAA> | Insulation certainly helps, but eh. |
| 05:05:26 | <steering> | If I ever drank hot beverages I'd probably feel differently, but I have hot choccy once or twice a winter and that's literally it |
| 05:05:56 | <atphoenix> | I admit that it is still a guilty pleasure vs a kettle with waiting delay :) |
| 05:06:19 | <@JAA> | I drink a lot of tea in winter. I just go to the bathroom while it's heating up. |
| 05:06:43 | <steering> | Yeah. |
| 05:06:54 | <@JAA> | And then I'll fill a thermos bottle, and maybe I'll need to do that twice a day. |
| 05:07:21 | <atphoenix> | but I also have a water heater tank in my house, and most of the year we need heat anyway. |
| 05:07:23 | <steering> | I'll go switch on the kettle and play a mobile game for a couple minutes, pour it and go back downstairs and play the mobile game some more while it cools |
| 05:07:40 | <@JAA> | It only takes a couple minutes to boil a litre of water. Keeping the water constantly hot for the entire day seems very inefficient. |
| 05:08:26 | <steering> | I mean, I have a water heater w/ tank too, but it keeps the water heated what, maybe halfway to boiling? |
| 05:09:17 | <@JAA> | Same here, but for the entire house. Some apartment will always be using hot water within a reasonable short time window during the day. |
| 05:09:43 | <atphoenix> | water heater tank would be 40-80 gallons, 120-130 F. The little countertop units are about 1 gallon, and settable in the 170-200 F range. |
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| 05:10:35 | <steering> | yeah, but then the little unit also either wastes way more space (as a % of tank volume) on insulation, or sucks at being insulated :P |
| 05:11:03 | <steering> | probably also doesn't heat as efficiently (i think technology connections has a video on that? maybe it was someone else) |
| 05:11:35 | <@JAA> | I've been considering getting one of those battery-heated bottles for winter outdoor stuff. Apparently they drain rather quickly, because yeah, takes a lot of energy to keep it hot even with vaccum insulation. I can't imagine this would be much better. |
| 05:11:36 | <atphoenix> | as efficiently as what? |
| 05:11:48 | <steering> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm7L-2J52GU |
| 05:11:52 | <steering> | a real water heater |
| 05:13:04 | <@JAA> | vacuum, even |
| 05:13:46 | <@JAA> | But there are some that can even boil a bottle or two from cold on battery power, which is pretty neat and could be useful for camping or something. |
| 05:14:23 | <atphoenix> | Zojirushi's vacuum water bottles also work really well. E.g. their SM-VA72-XA model or many others in their series. |
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| 05:14:40 | <steering> | I should get camping supplies now that I have a truck to take them places in. |
| 05:14:56 | <steering> | (Tough to fit everything for 3 people to camp in the trunk of a Jetta :P) |
| 05:14:58 | <atphoenix> | family makes coffee in morning, takes to work, still is hot late in day |
| 05:15:51 | <steering> | I got a bike rack and then never used it before we moved and now I can actually bike right where I live (and also have a truck that I can throw the bikes in the back of) \o/ |
| 05:18:41 | <atphoenix> | I can't imagine that a battery-heated bottle would be able to sustain the heat very long. IIRC, the counter boiler is something like 30 watts on average continuous from the wall. I'd need to put my meter back on it to be sure. It wasn't anything crazy. More like a laptop in terms of consumption. |
| 05:19:34 | <steering> | In terms of draw, maybe. |
| 05:19:50 | <steering> | What's the duty cycle on a laptop, 33%? |
| 05:20:09 | <atphoenix> | my laptops are usually on |
| 05:20:56 | <atphoenix> | laptops can work as relatively low power servers :) |
| 05:22:35 | <steering> | that's why I have a NUC :P |
| 05:22:45 | <steering> | (well, that and I didn't pay for it) |
| 05:23:44 | <@JAA> | I was surprised at the longevity of those battery thermos. But yeah, 'long' is relative. I don't remember the brands etc. I was looking at and abandoned the idea for the time being. |
| 05:24:10 | <@JAA> | The use case is day-long hikes or maybe one-night camping. |
| 05:24:23 | <@JAA> | And it seems there are some that would work for that. |
| 05:24:51 | <@JAA> | Re low-power server, that's why I have an N100 box from AliExpress. |
| 05:25:01 | <steering> | tbh a plain ol' thermos was just fine for me for day hikes as a kid. again, though, I'd probably feel differently if I drank hot stuff. |
| 05:25:05 | <atphoenix> | Our Zojirushi water bottles definitely work well in the 1 day scenario. Hot tea from today will still be pretty warm tomorrow. |
| 05:25:16 | <steering> | for me it was just keeping my sippy cool |
| 05:26:01 | <@JAA> | Yeah, I have a decent regular thermos bottle. But if you want a hot simple meal for dinner when camping without bringing a propane-powered stove etc., it could be neat. |
| 05:26:27 | <@JAA> | Regular bottle probably wouldn't be able to keep it hot enough for that. |
| 05:26:58 | <steering> | I wonder if that thermos is still somewhere at my dad's house. Unless it broke somehow, it probably is. |
| 05:27:04 | <steering> | Actually, even if it broke somehow, it probably is. |
| 05:27:27 | <@JAA> | It's also a function of outside temperature obviously. |
| 05:29:27 | <atphoenix> | The options open up if car camping/road tripping. One time I even took the water boiler on a road trip and ran it off an inverter. |
| 05:29:33 | <steering> | huh, actually surprisingly cheapt o replace, only $50 |
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| 13:51:53 | <that_lurker> | feed/#hackernews: Crawlers impact the operations of the Wikimedia projects https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/04/01/how-crawlers-impact-the-operations-of-the-wikimedia-projects/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43868876 |
| 13:52:21 | <that_lurker> | "65% of our most expensive traffic comes from bots" oof |
| 14:02:05 | <programmerq> | wow! |
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| 14:48:43 | <steering> | even worse when you consider that their metric for "is a bot" there appears to be "doesn't run JS" |
| 14:49:07 | <steering> | because a bunch of them *are* running headless browsers or whatever |
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