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| 01:37:01 | <hexa-> | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/03/trump-calls-congress-pass-overbroad-take-it-down-act-so-he-can-use-it-censor |
| 02:02:05 | <Fijxu|m> | why the price per TB doesn't go down? |
| 02:02:29 | <Fijxu|m> | because there is no new technology that can compete NVMEs? |
| 02:02:57 | <Fijxu|m> | even 1TB NVMEs prices are at par with HDD prices |
| 02:04:09 | <@JAA> | lolno |
| 02:05:29 | <@JAA> | The very cheapest SSDs are still twice the price per TB of HDDs. And those come from weird manufacturers I wouldn't trust. |
| 02:06:06 | <@JAA> | Maybe a 1 TB SSD can be found for the same price as a 1 TB HDD, but that's mostly because the latter is a very niche thing these days. |
| 02:08:39 | <Fijxu|m> | JAA: idk I can get 1TB NVME for ~50USD here |
| 02:08:53 | <Fijxu|m> | (kingston) |
| 02:09:28 | <Fijxu|m> | which is not very good and I wouldn't use that SSD as a main storage because for sure it's insanely bad |
| 02:09:35 | <Fijxu|m> | but seems to be ok to store media |
| 02:09:47 | <@JAA> | Sure, and HDDs are typically around $15/TB. |
| 02:10:24 | <@JAA> | Not for 1 TB models, because nobody buys those. |
| 02:10:51 | <@JAA> | But looks like I can get a 1 TB HDD for the equivalent of $32. |
| 02:11:48 | <@JAA> | HDDs are far more economical for mass storage, at least until LTO takes over in the hundreds of TB. |
| 02:14:08 | <@JAA> | Absolute cheapest 1 TB SSD I can get here is equivalent to $46. |
| 02:14:39 | <Fijxu|m> | JAA: what? |
| 02:14:40 | <Fijxu|m> | no way |
| 02:14:57 | <@JAA> | That's SATA though. NVMe is ~ $54. |
| 02:14:59 | <Fijxu|m> | here is like $35/TB |
| 02:15:07 | <Fijxu|m> | I wish I had that prices here |
| 02:15:30 | <@JAA> | It's actually more like $17/TB for HDDs here. I wish I had the US prices... |
| 02:16:38 | <@JAA> | Cheapest one right now is a Toshiba 22 TB for CHF 342.25, so about $17.50/TB. |
| 02:16:45 | <Fijxu|m> | well |
| 02:17:00 | <Fijxu|m> | the cheapest one here is around 43USD |
| 02:17:07 | <Fijxu|m> | a Toshiba L200 1 TB |
| 02:17:08 | <Fijxu|m> | toshiba lol |
| 02:17:09 | <@JAA> | Prices were something like 10% lower last time I bought some HDDs. |
| 02:17:46 | <Fijxu|m> | Is toshiba even good? |
| 02:17:53 | <@JAA> | All big three are fine. |
| 02:18:13 | <Fijxu|m> | I'm not an insane data hoarder but I have been using a toshiba on my main PC and I use it for torrents and other big files |
| 02:18:22 | <Fijxu|m> | and it's 7 years old |
| 02:18:32 | <@JAA> | WD was forced to sell the HGST tech to Toshiba as part of the acquisition. |
| 02:18:40 | <Fijxu|m> | HGST? |
| 02:19:02 | <@JAA> | Former Hitachi |
| 02:19:20 | <@JAA> | Well, Hitachi + IBM, actually. |
| 02:19:58 | <@JAA> | Ultimately, whichever brand you use, you need backups. |
| 02:20:40 | <@JAA> | I have a mixture of all three, and I distribute my data such that the two copies are on different manufacturers' drives. |
| 02:21:46 | <@JAA> | Every manufacturer has had duds over the years. |
| 02:22:08 | <Fijxu|m> | I see |
| 02:22:35 | <@JAA> | Some people insist on never ever using $manufacturer's drives because they got bitten by that one model 1-2 decades ago. |
| 02:22:37 | <Fijxu|m> | which NVME brand do you recommend for running a database for example? |
| 02:22:59 | <@JAA> | I'm not very familiar with SSDs. |
| 02:23:17 | <@JAA> | There are a lot more manufacturers for those than for HDDs. |
| 02:23:38 | <Fijxu|m> | and most manufacturers suck ass |
| 02:23:54 | <@JAA> | By number, probably, yeah. Competition for price only tends to do that. |
| 02:24:53 | <nicolas17> | brands are confusing |
| 02:24:56 | <@JAA> | Last SSD I bought was a WD Red, FWIW. Seemed decent enough and is performing alright. |
| 02:25:08 | <nicolas17> | like does WD manufacture flash storage? |
| 02:25:11 | <Fijxu|m> | yes, WD is pretty god |
| 02:25:28 | <@JAA> | nicolas17: WD owns SanDisk... |
| 02:25:59 | <Fijxu|m> | Micron is also good, from my experience at least |
| 02:26:34 | <nicolas17> | so WD and SanDisk SSDs are probably the same |
| 02:26:49 | <Fijxu|m> | and I have heard that SK Hynix is also good but idk, I haven't tried those |
| 02:26:51 | <@JAA> | Are there still any SanDisk SSDs? |
| 02:27:07 | <@JAA> | I'd expect they've all been rebranded to WD, like the HGST HDDs. |
| 02:27:09 | <nicolas17> | well everything is gonna change now |
| 02:27:19 | <nicolas17> | "In 2023, WD announced its intent to spinoff the entirety of its flash storage business as a new public company under the SanDisk brand—which was completed on February 24, 2025. " |
| 02:28:14 | <@JAA> | Huh |
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| 06:15:09 | <nukke> | Yes, flash WD is now Sandisk |
| 06:15:16 | <nukke> | Rust is WD |
| 06:16:44 | <nukke> | Fijxu|m: for database, anything with high IOPS. Enterpise SSDs are cheap now, and Intel is hard to beat. Micron/Crucial is also great |
| 06:17:55 | <nukke> | In reality you won't notice much difference tbh unless you have multiple dbs on the same disk with loads of queries going on at the same time |
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| 06:43:34 | <nicolas17> | Webuser (derogatory) |
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| 09:17:56 | <steering> | hmm, WD didn't hold on to SanDisk for very long |
| 09:19:24 | <@JAA> | They're not selling it, just splitting it off into a subsidiary, no? |
| 09:20:07 | <steering> | welllll, it's publicly traded now, iunno how much they still own |
| 09:20:26 | <steering> | The split was completed on February 24, 2025, with Sandisk Corporation beginning to trade on the Nasdaq, and WD CEO David Goeckeler moving to the new company. WD continues to hold an equity stake in Sandisk.[26] |
| 09:20:35 | <@JAA> | Ah |
| 09:20:51 | <steering> | they only bought it in 2016 (announced 2015) |
| 09:22:09 | <steering> | The company was originally founded in 1988 as SunDisk <- TIL |
| 09:22:16 | <steering> | explains why the original logo had a sun in it |
| 09:24:01 | <@JAA> | lol, in an article about this split: |
| 09:24:09 | <@JAA> | > Neither SanDisk nor Western Digital have responded to PetaPixel‘s request for comment |
| 09:24:12 | <@JAA> | Ok, so far so normal |
| 09:24:16 | <@JAA> | > for the past two years. |
| 09:30:55 | <steering> | ah, right, cuz of the whole "omg defective SSDs" fiasco |
| 09:47:16 | <steering> | maybe I'm just dumb but Python's multiprocessing module seems pretty hard to use correctly |
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| 11:25:32 | <f_> | JAA: I think SanDisk SSDs are still a thing today? |
| 11:26:25 | <@JAA> | Yeah, apparently. |
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| 12:51:45 | <steering> | the only sandisk stuff i ever had was SD cards :D |
| 12:58:01 | <steering> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Access_to_Electricity.svg interesting map |
| 12:59:39 | <steering> | about as expected although some surprised like... really, <20% of people in DRC, Chad, or Niger have electricity?! wow. |
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| 13:07:59 | <pabs> | https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/google-is-expanding-ai-overviews-and-testing-ai-only-search-results/ |
| 13:08:04 | <pabs> | ugh |
| 13:08:08 | <pabs> | Google-- |
| 13:08:08 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'Google' now has -6 karma! |
| 13:08:10 | <pabs> | AI-- |
| 13:08:11 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'AI' now has -4 karma! |
| 13:18:25 | <masterx244|m> | AI-- |
| 13:18:26 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'AI' now has -5 karma! |
| 13:18:51 | <masterx244|m> | sudo fuck --hard --harder --target="GenAI" |
| 13:35:01 | <TheTechRobo> | AI-- |
| 13:35:01 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'AI' now has -6 karma! |
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| 15:16:38 | <nukke> | Google-- |
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| 16:50:43 | <nukke> | 🤔 https://chaos.social/@jonty/114115735724827105 |
| 16:58:16 | <@rewby> | That took me a while to get |
| 16:58:18 | <@rewby> | Thanks I hate it |
| 17:00:35 | <that_lurker> | It nice to see EU spreading it's power |
| 17:03:52 | <@rewby> | They're definitely applying some classic territory protection |
| 17:05:19 | <@JAA> | Grow Our Armies To Secure Europe |
| 17:15:44 | <that_lurker> | With this there will be Greater Operational Armed Tactical Security in Europe |
| 17:17:32 | <anarcat> | lol |
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| 17:52:53 | <BornOn420> | At least it doesn't look like Rick Astely |
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| 18:09:14 | <nukke> | for the americans near a microcenter, $5 for a 1TB nvme today https://www.microcenter.com/product/659881/premium_1tb_ssd_3d_nand_m2_2280_pcie_nvme_30_x4_internal_solid_state_drive,_read-write_speed_up_to_3100_mbps_and_2800_mbps,_nvme_13_-_pcie_31_compatib |
| 18:10:22 | <@imer> | !remindme 5min do the thing |
| 18:10:22 | <eggdrop> | [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2025-03-06T18:15:22Z |
| 18:15:22 | <eggdrop> | [remind] imer: do the thing |
| 19:50:19 | <myself> | Aw, my store already sold out. |
| 19:50:43 | <myself> | And, wow, microcenter's website has never been so sluggish for me! |
| 20:02:15 | <nukke> | 2 big GPU launches so yeah. I think they also restocked the 5090s |
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| 20:55:48 | <@JAA> | fireonlive passed away 6 months ago today. |
| 21:01:36 | <Barto> | fireonlive++ |
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| 21:04:50 | <@rewby> | fireonlive++ |
| 21:04:50 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'fireonlive' now has 918 karma! |
| 21:05:04 | <@rewby> | Thankfully, eggdrop lives on |
| 21:05:23 | <@rewby> | So at least some of his legacy continues to this day |
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| 22:36:56 | <steering> | lol @ microcenter, "Pick up in 18 minutes - please select your store", literally every single store: "(out of stock)" |
| 22:37:09 | <steering> | 18 is an oddly specific number for .... not actually having it anywherew |
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