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00:33:54<pabs>https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/risc-v-mainboard-for-framework-laptop-13-is-now-available
00:54:37<pabs>a Linux USB vuln https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113943808951328642
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06:59:45<nukke>Hell yeah graphene ftw
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09:37:35<pabs>https://www.phoronix.com/news/GEICO-TuxTape-Linux-Livepatch
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12:41:06<kitonthenet>last couple days of the mnt reform next campaign https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/mnt-reform-next
12:41:13<kitonthenet>really looking forward to this
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14:42:50<nukke>ooof, $1600
14:43:02<nukke>I understand manufacturing is expensive, but damn
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17:06:56<myself>Oooo dang. I already bought a Framework but that's so cool.
17:07:41<myself>I've been looking at a DIY laptop project anyway (new guts in an old Toughbook), and borrowing MNT's battery design might make the most sense.
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17:09:49<myself>And they're _still_ stuck on that infernal iX ethernet connector. I swear that's intentional to annoy people into developing their own port boards.
17:10:02<anarcat>i don't understand that
17:10:12<anarcat>it's one of my big turnoffs with that laptop
17:10:26<anarcat>i find it a bit too thick too
17:10:56<myself>Yeah. Like if I need to carry an adapter, I'm just gonna carry a usb-C-to-ethernet dongle, ditch the iX and replace it with another USB port.
17:10:59<hexa->trade-off with the mechanical keyboard probably
17:11:04<anarcat>i *really* like the battery setup though, it's amazing to use 18650 batteries like this, brilliant
17:11:12<anarcat>hexa-: i happen to love the framework keyboard, so meh
17:11:48<anarcat>myself: yeah, i mean that connector just screams "you don't know hardware" at me, which is not a good approach for me :p
17:11:57<hexa->really a fanboy of the x200-x220 keyboards
17:12:02<anarcat>i mean i *know* i suck at hardware, i just don't like it when hardware screams it at me :p
17:12:09<anarcat>hexa-: yeah, i liked those too
17:12:18<anarcat>but those laptops were thinner than the mnt next
17:12:22<anarcat>so i don't buy that
17:12:23<hexa->huh, ok
17:12:31<anarcat>i also miss the trackball
17:12:35<myself>I wish there was more of an ecosystem of third-party Framework keyboards. I'd pay _good_ money for a thinkpad-style 7-row that fits my framework 13.
17:12:37<anarcat>that was really nice in the original reform
17:13:01<anarcat>myself: the problem with the framework is to replace the keyboard, you basically need to replace the entire top panel
17:13:05<myself>So?
17:13:08<anarcat>framework are not super moddable
17:13:19<anarcat>well it's a much bigger project than just changing the keyboard
17:13:23<nicolas17>are there laptops where that's not the case?
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17:13:30<anarcat>like in the MNT, it's just a thing you slot in
17:13:32<myself>The top panel is a cosmetic bezel that carries the keyboard. Or the keyboard has a big cosmetic surround. It's a non-issue.
17:13:47<anarcat>really
17:13:54<anarcat>i thought it also had the power button and mouse
17:14:05<anarcat>and i mean it has all the holes for the keyboard
17:14:15<anarcat>if you're going to mod the keyboard, you need to make one that fits exactly with the bezel
17:14:19<anarcat>or you need to make a bezel
17:14:23<myself>no, make a whole new bezel
17:14:27<anarcat>well that's what i'm saying!
17:14:28<myself>transfer the trackpad over, it has screws
17:14:34<anarcat>it's not just a matter of changing the keyboard
17:14:44<anarcat>now you need to make a bezel, a power button, there's all sorts of things in there
17:14:49<nicolas17>"top panel having holes for each individual key" seems pretty common for modern laptops
17:14:53<myself>so what? every keyboard has an equivalent piece between the keys, it's just usually smaller
17:14:53<anarcat>i dunno, it seems more complicated to mod than the MNT
17:14:58<nicolas17>why is this "the problem with the framework"
17:15:21<anarcat>did you see the part where i said i suck at hardware?
17:15:22<anarcat>don't mind me
17:15:29<anarcat>i clearly have no idea what i'm talking about :p
17:15:35<myself>Okay so "I would buy a thinkpad-style 7-row keyboard for my framework" --> "I would buy a thinkpad-style 7-row keyboard and top cover for my framework". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:15:38<anarcat>it just *seems* to me MNT's approach on the modding is better there
17:15:50<anarcat>and that mod would be easier on the mnt
17:15:55<myself>it's like, 5 minutes in cad. Idgaf.
17:16:12<myself>6 if I have to mimic all the chamfers
17:16:13<anarcat>what i've seen is people try to fit framework boards in thinkpad cases, that seems more approachable
17:16:34<anarcat>myself: "5 minutes in CAD" is, for me, "starting the app and drawing a circle" :p
17:16:46<anarcat>in fact, i'd probably spend the first five minutes figuring out which CAD to use :p
17:17:09<anarcat>but that kind of raises the question of why you haven't done it, if it's just 5 minutes :p
17:17:46<myself>because I don't know how to do the keyboard part. Making the bezel is easy.
17:18:03<myself>thinkpad keyboards don't use the same plug or signalling as framework keyboards
17:21:38<anarcat>yeah probably not
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19:41:41<nukke>https://www.cnx-software.com/2025/02/05/openwisp-open-source-solution-facilitates-the-management-of-openwrt-router-fleets/
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21:17:12<AK>katia, your commit message hurts me. That is all
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22:04:55<kitonthenet>imo the mnt thickness is definitely driven by using 18650s, in total it's 25.4mm and 18mm of that is the batteries, which leaves only a couple mm either side of the batteries and a couple more for the lid
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22:07:49<anarcat>true that
22:10:17<kitonthenet>also I think the x220 is thicker than the reform next
22:10:17<nukke>https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/deepseek-users-could-face-million-104352160.html
22:10:45<nukke>any euros here looking for a husband?
22:11:02<kitonthenet>lol hawley loves to pretend he's anti-big tech though!
22:11:16<nukke>hawley is a literal moron
22:11:34<kitonthenet>but ofc he loves big-tech he's a fluffer for capital
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22:14:53<anarcat>what i can see is the thinner side of the x220 is 1.9cm, which is smaller than the next
22:15:11<anarcat>but the thicker side is 3.46cm, bigger than the reform (2.6cm)
22:15:49<anarcat>i'm spoiled by the framework (1.685cm)
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22:17:45<kitonthenet>I'm coming from a macbook air, imagine how i feel :P
22:17:59<kitonthenet>fr tho i'm stoked, it's gonna be the last laptop I buy
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23:58:31<nukke>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJGZQ35Q6I "NanoKVM: The S stands for Security"
23:59:09<nukke>the video description has a lot of details, but these are the worst offenders imo: -- Downloads .so from Sipeed after sending the devices serial number
23:59:11<nukke>-- Download .so (and updates) do not check integrity, relying entirely on TLS
23:59:13<nukke>-- Device uses custom DNS servers and you can't change it

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