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01:04:03<@imer>that would be very cursed indeed :D
01:04:03<@imer>on a totally unrelated note, anyone ever bought dc u.2 ssds on ebay from chinese sellers? seems *very* sketchy assuming you can also just reset smart data like with hdds..
01:04:03@imer needs to download more pcie lanes..
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01:17:48<steering>we have a bunch of intel ssd's at work that, when they fail, magically turn into sandforce ssd's
01:18:07<steering>so, presumably pretty easy to put whatever data you want on the controllers
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01:26:13<@imer>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SandForce does mention intel did use them, so might be legit chips still?
01:28:08<@imer>suppose if the performance is reasonable it'd be safe to assume the chips are legit, only other question then is if they reset smart data
01:28:08<@imer>would have no way of knowing how close to death the drive is. if they don't and it shows x PB written/powered on for thousands of hours that'd be reassuring assuming that can't be easily faked..
01:29:39<@imer>if only I bought more while ssds were cheap back in mid 2023 -_-
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02:11:39<steering>oh yes i'm quite certain they're legit
02:12:07<steering>but presumably $aliexpress_seller can get them and rename them too
02:13:01<steering>something out there will be utterly broken :P
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06:50:03<that_lurker>DIY Web Archiving Zine https://zinebakery.com//homemade-zines/bakeshop-2-diywebarchiving https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42798896
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08:27:40<magmaus3>just realized that i had the veoh project container still running on one (mostly unused) server
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09:12:04<@OrIdow6>that_lurker: So basically it's a webrecorder tutorial "sponsored" by the webrecorder guy
09:12:15<@OrIdow6>Also with A E S T H E T I C mixed in
09:12:55<@OrIdow6>I don't mean to be so dismissive, it's just like, oh, not really a new perspective
09:17:28<that_lurker>yes
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09:34:08<joepie91|m>target audience isn't people who are already archiving though
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10:52:51<@arkiver>magmaus3: yeah there's projects that still have warrior on them years after ending :P
10:53:08<magmaus3>silly
10:54:38<@OrIdow6>joepie91|m: Yeah, and good for them, I just saw "diy" and thought it was gonna be someone who wrote a WARC writer that ran on a computer with a wooden case or something
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12:22:15<joepie91|m>that is odd. I just loaded an old archive.is tab, with a New Scientist news article, and it returns a Not Found
12:22:16<joepie91|m>so much for 'archive'?
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12:38:09<joepie91|m>oh, nah
12:38:09<joepie91|m>the "DIY" is meant in the sense of "without relying on a central organization like the internet archive"
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17:05:32<Ryz>I sleep: https://kleenmaid.com.au/ - Awake! Eyes beaming! - https://totalcare.kleenmaid.com.au/
17:05:50<Ryz>Something always particular with older websites, like the latter o#o;
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17:20:48<nulldata>https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/after-18-years-blu-ray-media-production-draws-to-a-close-sony-shuts-its-last-factory-in-feb
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21:06:26<@JAA>magmaus3: I still have a worker running for the old Yahoo! Answers project in one of the several hundred tmux panes on that one server. That was in 2017. lol
21:07:27<magmaus3>silly :3c
21:07:50<magmaus3>JAA: btw, what's the uptime of the server?
21:09:01<@JAA>up 2772 days, 2:47
21:10:43<magmaus3>holy bingle
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21:20:10<steering>poor old kernel doin some work
21:21:47<nicolas17>I should upgrade my VPS's kernel but I have a bunch of things precariously running on random 'screen's
21:21:50<katia>JAA, update to 2.6.32
21:21:53<steering>I'm going to guess... 4.4.x final answer
21:21:55<szczot3k>Three types of people: 1) running gentoo, because they need the newest kernel daily, 2) running debian, updating it just enough so it doesn't have any active CVEs, 3) running something that is too old to recognize
21:22:29<katia>its just debian 7
21:22:41<murb>szczot3k: everything has active CVEs :p
21:22:45steering updates gentoo once a week or so, debian and ubuntu daily
21:23:06<steering>(that said, on debian and ubuntu i've just made it automatic)
21:23:14<szczot3k>murb: any active CVEs that are bad enough*
21:24:30<szczot3k>steering: fair, updating gentoo was once my way to actually raise the rooms temperature
21:25:18<szczot3k>It wasn't actually a large difference, but it could be seen on the rooms thermometer
21:25:26<steering>only if you have to rebuild a web browser :P
21:25:29<@JAA>The plan is to decomm that server soonish. The problem is, that has been the plan for a long time now... (It's not entirely in my hands.)
21:25:47<szczot3k>steering: qtwebengine :D
21:25:58<steering>yes, that is certainly a web brwoser
21:26:13<steering>I also get the joy of rebuiding chromium and firefox in addition to qtwebengine
21:26:29<steering>I've been planning to get rid of the server that runs my irssi, for... about as long as JAA's server has been alive :P
21:26:29<szczot3k>firefox/chrome wasn't actually that bad for me
21:26:43<szczot3k>but for some reason every week I was rebuilding qtwebengine on my install
21:27:12<steering>mmh seems like firefox isn't too bad, only like half an hour actually
21:27:20<steering>chromium takes forever, if you were using chrome it was binary
21:28:02<steering>yeah, the worst bit is the only thing i have that uses qtwebengine is Calibre, but I don't want to wait all night to reinstall Calibre on the odd occasion I want to use it
21:28:12<szczot3k>For all of my life my preference was to use firefox
21:28:30<@JAA>steering: Yep, same, I finally got rid of that one the other week.
21:28:45<szczot3k>I've got chromium/chrome only as a second browser on my personal PCs, and just because it get's pushed via GPO on my work PCs
21:29:29<steering>I've just recently switched to Firefox but I still use Chrome for work stuff because it's just a bit better in some tiny things that I don't even remember xP
21:29:43<steering>oh one of them is the terrible way that it handles having multiple profiles (and especially having them open at once)
21:30:14<szczot3k>steering: multi account containers on firefox is a killer feature
21:30:36<szczot3k>On my work PCs I literally use them daily, sometimes even with 4 or 5 different contexts
21:30:37<steering>anyway, I have chromium on another system for headless, so far it's been built 4 times and has taken: 10h, 10h, 18h, 20h
21:31:13<steering>(IDK why it went up so much, maybe just because it's actually also doing stuff now and the CPU isn't completely idle otherwise :P)
21:32:19<szczot3k>people say that "a lot of things on the web are broken on firefox", and the only things that I've confirmed broken, are some shitty not-web standards chrome wanted to implement (webserial for example)
21:32:55<steering>i haven't noticed any websites broken
21:33:04<steering>my complaints about firefox have all been with firefox itself
21:33:14<szczot3k>Same, but people are actually using this as an argument not to use firefox
21:34:10<szczot3k>The only website I've actually seen broken on firefox, are the same websites broken on chrome, because they were written for IE7
21:35:27<@JAA>Yes, containers are great. There's also the Temporary Containers extension.
21:36:21<szczot3k>I actually use them to manage several accounts to the same website, but that's also a great usecase
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21:56:26<joepie91|m>my biggest complaint about firefox is its main thread behaviour
21:56:35<joepie91|m>too much shit runs on the main thread and it causes the whole thing to freeze and become sluggish
21:56:54<joepie91|m>when you have sufficient things open
21:57:49<szczot3k>joepie91|m: I've _never_ experienced that
21:58:08<@imer>been more annoyed by them changing random icons to be worse lately, like yup. I didnt want favicons when something is playing sound anyways.. or animated loading spinners switched for a static hourglass I just noticed recently
21:58:08<@imer>and yeah, perf has been fine, but also running on (very) good hardware
21:58:30<@imer>I'm sure you can fix the icons somehow, but havent bothered to check how
21:58:55<TheTechRobo>Performance is fine for me, running on an i5-8350U with integrated graphics
21:58:57<joepie91|m>szczot3k: my main thread is frequently pinned at 100%
21:59:04<joepie91|m>I do probably use my browser a bit more heavily than most folks
21:59:19<TheTechRobo>Had some weird issues with X on my desktop, though, where it would sometimes freeze on right/middle click; seems to be gone under Wayland
21:59:44<szczot3k>If I ever get to 20 browser tabs, I start panicking, so my experience might not be the same as everyone
22:00:00<TheTechRobo>Only thing I don't like about containers is that they don't persist when you open a new tab. Which is *really* irritating. You have to Ctrl-click the New Tab button (or reselect it manually in the right-click window). Not sure if there's a way to change that
22:00:18<szczot3k>But also running on good hardware, and on 32gb of ram, so yeah
22:00:22<TheTechRobo>szczot3k: I finally cleaned up the 16 browser windows I had across two computers a few weeks ago. :-)
22:00:56<FireFly>yeah I def also have run into firefox getting sluggish with too many tabs loaded
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22:01:01<szczot3k>My work firefox sometimes gets to 30 tabs, but it's mostly jira tickets and some reasearch :)
22:01:21<TheTechRobo>My problem is I don't close the research. lol
22:01:31<joepie91|m>ah, that's an especially fun one. under Wayland my Firefox 'hitches' (freezes) for like 200ms every 10 seconds or so, almost on a schedule, affecting video playback. under Xwayland it merely spontaneously freezes for a few seconds every once in a while (irregularly) though especially when trying to do a drag operation. also, currently any drag-and-drop operation causes it to get stuck in 'dropping' state though I suspect that one may
22:01:31<joepie91|m>actually be a Plasma bug
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22:01:52<joepie91|m>szczot3k: >1000 tabs is not unusual for me
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22:02:05<szczot3k>TheTechRobo: I bookmark my reaserach if I ever get to the "This might be useful some day" phase
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22:02:24<@JAA>I was wondering... A couple hundred tabs has been fine almost always for me. I have seen the main process at 100% CPU as well though, just not frequently.
22:02:38<TheTechRobo>joepie91|m: yeah, I suspect it may be a Plasma bug as I have never seen it on my laptop which is still on Plasma 5 (my desktop uses OpenSUSE Tumbleweed which is rolling release, laptop is on Debian bookworm)
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22:02:46<szczot3k>joepie91|m: yeah, then I'm not that surprised
22:02:55<TheTechRobo>szczot3k: Bookmarks don't work for me. I forget about them.
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22:03:33<szczot3k>Sure, everyone's workflow is different. I either bookmark stuff, or make a big document with my research
22:03:33<joepie91|m>TheTechRobo: I have noticed the right/middle click freezes on Xwayland too
22:03:53<joepie91|m>bookmarks don't work for me either, too much management overhead and not enough context retention
22:03:54<joepie91|m>bookmarks as the concept is currently implemented kinda suck tbh
22:04:06<TheTechRobo>joepie91|m: hmm, I think Firefox supports running natively on Wayland. not sure if I have that enabled, but maybe that's the difference?
22:04:09<szczot3k>notion is also good for my reasearch, if I remember about it
22:04:12<TheTechRobo>joepie91|m: Yeah, that's my issue with bookmarks
22:05:08<@JAA>I don't disagree about bookmarks, but I have yet to see a better alternative. Keeping hundreds of tabs open isn't that for me.
22:05:10<TheTechRobo>(In addition to forgetting about them, which could probably be fixed if I used the bookmarks bar)
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22:06:07<joepie91|m>TheTechRobo: I deliberately turned off the 'natively running under wayland' because of aforementioned hitching :)
22:06:14<szczot3k>TheTechRobo: most of the stuff I do for work are managed somewhere else than my browser (in other words - I've got a jira ticket for everything), so coming back, and remembering about those bookmarks is easy for me. But I agree that bookmarks are easy to forget about.
22:06:29<szczot3k>I'm pruning my bookmarks once every few months, because they get out of control easily
22:06:43<joepie91|m>JAA: sure, it's a workaround at best, and not a great one. but I don't have any better options either
22:07:44<TheTechRobo>joepie91|m: Next time I'm on my desktop I'll see if the issue shows up
22:08:22<joepie91|m>I wish there were better options (that actually worked with large amounts of bookmarks without basically breaking the browser)
22:08:47<joepie91|m>alas
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22:47:43<Ryz>Mmm, if before clearing bookmarks szczot3k, could be useful to figure out what stuff to archive via #archivebot o:
22:49:55<@JAA><wtf-delete.png> and <aatt.png>
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23:31:45<steering>my work bookmarks are all internal pages, useful tools, etc. my personal bookmarks on the other hand... basically an infinite repository of stuff i haven't read yet and never will :P
23:32:28<steering>thanks to the wonders of browser cloud sync, i even have them all from the last ~10 years or so now
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