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00:31:56<@JAA>lol, nice
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01:33:27<FireFly>Ryz: that's.. An Aesthetic for usre
01:33:29<FireFly>sure*
01:33:47<FireFly>...I'm confused by the reduced-transparency-until-you-hover aspect though
01:34:33<steering>oh, is that what it is? i didn't have a mouse when i looked earlier
01:35:08<steering>slightly less eye-bleedy. but only slightly.
01:35:51<FireFly>I mean it still seems blatantly broken and it seems to have a bit too much quackery for my taste :p
01:37:20<steering>this CHROMTECH Site has evolved from literally
01:37:22<steering>day ONE of the WEB <~1992+ >
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01:45:30<Ryz>pabs, it came from my pile of Flashpoint Archive links I've been trying to go through, trying to motivate myself to get through the stuff, filtering the hard ones from the easy ones, which I have like...7 thousand left right now?
01:45:57<Ryz>As for the aborting, I think it's because the actual links appear to be leaning towards WWW more, I did an attempt 2 as that
01:46:41<pabs>Ryz: ah probably you need this instead !a < www-and-non-www.txt
01:46:51<pabs>so that it gets both www and non-www recursion
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01:47:14pabs notes the covid conspiracy stuff on their blog
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01:49:33<Ryz>Welp oO;
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02:08:26<pabs>Ryz: not too hard, just put both domains in a text file, upload it to transfer and !a < the URL. requires ops, but you have that. IIRC pokechu22 has used this trick before and noted it works
02:10:44<Ryz>Yeah, I wasn't saying 'welp' on that, but the conspiracy stuff
02:11:00<pabs>ah
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02:12:08<Ryz>I wonder how feasible it would be to have a bot that auto-generates a text file on covering both WWW and non-WWW version of the website, because doing it manually seems like a bit much if there may be more instances of having to do that stuff over time
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06:01:25<that_lurker>Blue Origin New Glenn Mission NG-1 launch in 30 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOEPTWQrN7A
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07:33:52<@OrIdow6>Seemingly https://chromtech.net.au/ also reloads itself periodically, if I did indeed just catch it doing so
07:33:57<@OrIdow6>From the corner of my eye
07:35:00<that_lurker><meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="300">
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10:30:57<steering>Electric kettles are amazing. I can't believe it took me 30 years to get one. You know the best part? It doesn't go BEEEEEEP when it's done so I can make my 3am ramen without waking people up.
10:46:34<murb>and you can now get them with built in microcontrollers, so you can remotely trigger them to heat water to 70°C at 07:23
10:46:52<murb>almost like a modern day teasmade
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11:00:22<joepie91|m>steering: my electric kettle does go beep :(
11:00:40<murb>any silly coloured LEDs?
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11:32:50<monoxane>murb rfc2324 may interest you :P
11:44:54<murb>wrong beverage.
11:53:21<steering>gross, mine doesn't, and it even has a silly colored LED
11:53:53<steering>as compared to microwaves where every single one i've ever used beeps both when setting the time and when it's done with no way to turn it off (well, okay, opening the thing up doesn't count)
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17:11:01<myself>what do you mean, opening the thing doesn't count? Opening the thing is always an option, and often the best one!
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17:31:56<@JAA>(Insert discussion about the implications of the US vs EU voltage difference for electric kettles here.)
17:32:16<@JAA>(Insert Technology Connections rant here about how that doesn't really matter.)
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17:34:53<nukke>Why use electric when you can use gas? 🤔
17:35:21<nukke>More efficient, less regulated (F the government), helps the American economy
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17:49:27<xkey>Europeans might disagree :D
18:06:29<@imer>nukke: may I refer you to the aforementioned technology connections videos (yes it's nearly 50 minutes on boiling water. its glorious) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpoXFk-ixZc
18:07:54<@imer>also the US vs EU voltage rant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4 :)
18:08:48<nicolas17>what surprised me most about that video is, is it normal to have like 30 independent circuits/breakers in a house?
18:08:58<nicolas17>or is that a Technology Connections guy thing?
18:11:47<@imer>it does seem nice, but I haven't seen it over here in europe
18:12:38<nicolas17>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286612533757083648/1327381599997661294/IMG_6750.jpg?ex=678627b2&is=6784d632&hm=d23c5fc0350d674e97a0475a84023594b98281c42c9417b91c15b9510aa54d31&
18:12:43<nicolas17>mine
18:19:35<nstrom|m>I think I have 20 breakers on mine in US, his is probably on the high end but doesn't look insane to me
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18:20:27<nstrom|m>depends when house was wired I suppose (and size of house obvs), newer construction probably has more independent circuits
18:23:36<@imer>unlabelled :(
18:24:26<@imer>eletricians renewed a breaker panel at parents a while back and they didnt label it, like how do you take this little pride in your work (it was labelled before)
18:24:47@imer wanted to keep that extra c
18:26:16<nicolas17>oh it probably had 4 circuits when we moved in
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19:00:47<nukke>My breaker box has 30 slots but I think I only have 24-26
19:00:54<nukke>I'll have to check
19:02:08<DigitalDragons>We have a full breaker box and then a smaller expansion box (that is also full) but I don't know how many circuits there are :p
19:03:32<DigitalDragons>But the amount of circuits shown looks totally normal to me
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21:25:47<steering>nukke: because I don't own my old house and my new house has no gas service :P
21:26:48<steering>also, <insert Texas electrical outage due to un-winterized natural gas supply here>
21:35:48<nukke>You don't have gas at your new house?!
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21:38:41<steering>sadly no
21:38:57<steering>electric baseboard heat, electric stove, electric dryer
21:38:58<steering>bleh
21:38:59<katia>woke house
21:40:20<steering>nicolas17: I'm pretty sure that every house or apartment I've ever lived in has had more breakers than you.
21:40:24<TheTechRobo>I don't know anyone with a gas stove anymore
21:40:56<TheTechRobo>Not sure if that's a Canadian thing or a my-area thing
21:44:37<steering>https://i.imgur.com/2YCY3su.jpeg this is my downstairs breakers at old house. there's a few more upstairs.
21:46:06<steering>(I have no idea why 3 different sets of breakers are labeled boiler. I haven't bothered to actually track down any of these.)
21:48:50<szczot3k>interesting that you could pretty much identify that it's in USA, based on the electrical panel's picture
21:49:35<szczot3k>Or CA
21:57:13<nukke>Californian houses don't have basements
21:57:50<nicolas17>CA = Canada :P
22:02:26<steering>hey, could be the ground floor with a 2nd floor above :P
22:02:46<steering>although then it would be a bit weird to have a concrete wall
22:02:53<steering>(residentially anyway)
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22:07:08<steering>I'd say, at a guess, that everywhere I've lived has had at least 8 breakers.
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22:12:20<@JAA>I think I may have had 8 in a place or two, but it was usually fewer.
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22:12:50<steering>I don't really remember the breaker boxes at my first apartments but typically at least one each for: AC, heat, dryer, stove, plus a few circuits for lights and outlets
22:13:06<@JAA>Though communal washing rooms are very common in apartment buildings here, so you don't have a washer or dryer, for a start.
22:13:19<@JAA>AC is also rare here.
22:13:49<@JAA>Heat is done centrally, so that doesn't appear on the apartment panel.
22:14:29<@JAA>The usual split is stove, oven, fridge/freezer combo, and then a couple circuits for the general stuff.
22:15:07<@JAA>Hot water is also usually central; if it isn't, another breaker for the boiler.
22:15:23<steering>I don't remember my dad's breaker box well either. I don't even know if it has dedicated circuits for the dryer and/or stove, since they're both gas, but I think it does at least for the dryer. I think it also has one for the washer lol
22:15:28<BouncerServ>central hot water
22:16:35<steering>A couple more for garage and exterior outlets (I don't remember exactly how they're split but I know the garage has a GFCI that also controls the front porch)
22:16:55<@JAA>Yeah right, no exterior outlets in an apartment either. :-)
22:17:02<@JAA>(Usually)
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22:17:36<steering>A couple more for various parts of the kitchen (maybe even 3, 1 for lights and 1 or 2 for outlets).
22:18:08<steering>2 for the bathrooms, 3 for the bedrooms
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22:19:22<steering>One for the heater/fan??? I'm guessing, plus another for the AC. And another for the living room, I'd guess the halls probably shared that or another circuit.
22:19:48<steering>so somewhere around 14 breakers for a 3/2 house
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22:23:52<steering>oh guess what I found, a picture of the door of my dad's breaker box https://i.imgur.com/QU5CbEa.png
22:25:39<@OrIdow6>Yeah that looks pretty typical to me
22:25:54<@OrIdow6>Except it actually has the names of things written out instead of cryptic abbreviations
22:26:11<steering>thanks dad
22:26:26<steering>the weirder part to me is that it's actually accurate
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22:59:11<myself>checking in from michigan, usa: https://i.imgur.com/Zb8NWqR.jpeg
23:02:20<myself>By code, certain kitchen appliances require dedicated circuits, to prevent nuisance trips when they're used at the same time as other stuff, plus a minimum of 2 circuits to the kitchen. Lights should never be on the same circuit as general receptacles, so that explains a few more.
23:03:00<nicolas17>I think my sister's apartment has like
23:03:10<nicolas17>1. air conditioner, 2. outlets, 3. lights
23:03:11<myself>Add in the 2-pole (240-volt) breakers for the electric range, air conditioning, and dryer, and that's quite a lot of panel space.
23:03:54<myself>She can't run the microwave at the same time as the toaster, can she? (Unless it's a Federal Pacific panel, of course.)
23:05:03<myself>(Federal Pacific faked the results of their breaker testing and the UL didn't catch them. A lot of houses burned down because people overloaded the circuits and the breakers didn't trip, so the wire caught fire instead. Testing got a lot more rigorous after that.)
23:18:36<steering>myself: most if not all of the houses i've lived in have lights on same circuit as receptacles. at least for bedrooms and such, maybe not for kitchen or GFCI areas.
23:20:30<steering>(that said, most of the places I've lived are from the ~80s, so I don't know how code has changed since then :P)
23:38:55<myself>yeah, I don't remember when that changed, but the idea is that an appliance fault shouldn't plunge you into darkness. And with LED lights, a single 15A breaker can handle the lights for a whole mansion, all it takes is a little smarts when routing the wires
23:40:02<nukke>wait steering you moved to canada?!
23:40:04<nukke>wtf
23:40:06<steering>nukke: no
23:40:09<nukke>ok thank god
23:40:19<steering>I would if I could though
23:40:57<nukke>ehh idk. it's illegal to own a house in canada unless you already own multiple other properties
23:41:02<steering>my step-father-in-law is canadian, that should count for us to all move there right :P
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