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00:05:23<nicolas17>apparently Discord banned a lot of German users https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/1hi54fx/i_just_got_permbanned_help/
00:05:27<nicolas17>IP ban gone wild?
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01:02:20<pabs>https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/internet-policy/google-remedies-browsers/
01:02:39<pabs>https://blog.hartwork.org/posts/django-security-hardenings-that-are-not-happening/
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02:46:48<steering>yeeeeesh https://i.imgur.com/6f81WB9.png stupid SMR :P
02:47:21<steering>current average write latency: 5 seconds
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04:31:55<nulldata>https://wordpress.org/news/2024/12/holiday-break/
04:34:22<nulldata>"As you may have heard, I’m legally compelled to provide free labor and services to WP Engine thanks to the success of their expensive lawyers, so in order to avoid bothering the court I will say that none of the above applies to WP Engine, so if they need to bypass any of the above please just have your high-priced attorneys talk to my
04:34:22<nulldata>high-priced attorneys and we’ll arrange access, or just reach out directly to me on Slack and I’ll fix things for you."
04:34:23<nulldata>lol
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04:56:30<@JAA>HDDs used to have 512-byte sectors, and this only worked up to 2 TB drives because the sector number was a 32-bit unsigned integer and 2^32 * 512 B = 2 TiB.
04:57:14<@JAA>We have 4K sectors now, but that would only bump the limit to 16 TiB.
04:57:37<@JAA>Are sector numbers 64-bit ints now?
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06:13:54<steering>dude's legit just throwing a temper tantrum now
06:14:24<steering>JAA: I doubt that's ever been true? Certainly not recently? The commands still use 512B sectors
06:14:45<steering>User Capacity: 22,000,969,973,760 bytes [22.0 TB]
06:14:46<steering>Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
06:15:11<@JAA>Yeah right, 512e complicates the whole thing.
06:15:18<steering>(^ not the SMR, to be clear, that's an old 4TB)
06:16:27<steering>anyway bigger sectors were just to physically fit more data on the disk AFAIK
06:18:22<@JAA>Hmm, right, there are efficiency gains due to the ECC taking up less space relatively speaking.
06:18:37<@JAA>And fewer sector address marks.
06:18:43<steering>fat32 has a limit of 2TB, with 512 byte sectors
06:18:53<steering>but that sector size is independent of the drive anyway.
06:19:01<steering>(I think?)
06:19:31<@JAA>Yeah, that's probably Microsoft doing Microsoft things. There's a similar thing in NTFS with 'cluster size'.
06:20:17<steering>FAT also has cluster size. It's been so long since I looked at the nitty gritty of it.
06:20:46<@JAA>Same
06:21:05<@JAA>Maybe the 32-bit thing was entirely on the host side and I'm just misremembering.
06:22:31<steering>4K sector drives (4Kn) have always seemed like unobtanium to me
06:23:13<@JAA>Yeah, we aren't HYPERSCALE enough.
06:23:14<steering>like, you can get them, but they cost a heap more, and most filesystems don't care about them because no one uses them
06:26:55<steering>ok, I'm finally reading Mullenweg's post rather than the quote, and... wow it's even worse than the quote
06:30:17<steering>"If you would like to fund legal attacks against me" says the guy who threw the first like 10 punches, and oh yes you're pausing it "for the holidays" definitely not because you're a petulant manbaby, and oh yes I'm sure you have heaps of tired volunteers left
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20:11:27<immibis>I thought sector numbers used to be 28 bits and got extended to 48 in the ATA register interface
20:11:50<immibis>bigger sectors were used to fit more data and reduce overhead. Even 4K is probably a bit small these days, but there's compatibility inertia.
20:12:24<immibis>nicolas17: the drawbacks of centralized social media! (says the one who got permabanned from dn42 channels for saying trump was probably a bad president)
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20:42:23<@JAA>immibis: That's not what you got banned for, and you know that. If you don't stop intentionally mischaracterising things, you'll earn yourself a ban from here, too.
20:48:32<szczot3k>DN42's mailing list for reference: https://groups.io/g/dn42/topic/109434388, https://groups.io/g/dn42/topic/110118340
20:51:42<szczot3k>(And it's not the first time they've been asked to take offtopic discussions elsewhere)
20:54:59<@JAA>szczot3k: Yeah, at least they keep the offtopic things here to the offtopic channel mostly after several warnings in the past. Doesn't make the above acceptable though.
21:00:17<immibis>this is an off topic channel
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21:00:51<immibis>let me check which workers i'm still running - i'll shut them down just for making that threat
21:04:19<katia>how petty
21:04:34<immibis>ik. everyone seems to be petty online these days.
21:04:55<mls>I would grab popcorn but I'm too busy playing Genital Jousting.
21:05:46<katia>just you really immibis.
21:05:56<immibis>i'm just treating others how they treat me
21:08:00<immibis>ok. all worker containers deleted across 11 nodes. hope this helps your mission.
21:08:18<immibis>and thanks for the disk space back.
21:08:20<szczot3k>Thanks, ramping up my nodes then.
21:09:03<immibis>let me just make sure i don't peer with szczot3k, too
21:09:17<szczot3k>Nope, you're all good
21:10:10<katia>immibis, if you /part the user count goes down.
21:10:13<immibis>shame, that means i have no way to help you get karma. oh well.
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21:22:25<joepie91>threatening to withhold resources/contributions when someone criticizes your behaviour is an extremely shitty thing to do
21:22:40<joepie91>(and would frankly result in an immediate permaban in my spaces)
21:23:07<immibis>J-A-A did just threaten to withhold resources/contributions when someone criticized his/her behaviour.
21:23:24<immibis>I guess this is goodbye archiveteam, cause I have no power over mods, obviously.
21:23:31<joepie91>like, this is outright abuser shit
21:23:49<immibis>Abuser shit is "I'll ban you for talking about getting banned"
21:24:26<immibis>I just got yet another ban from Stack Exchange, this time for asking whether you're allowed to delete your comments.
21:24:33<katia>fake quote. here: "intentionally mischaracterising things"
21:25:10<joepie91>you should probably spend a while thinking long and hard about why it is that you are getting banned from so many places, and whether maybe the problem is actually your behaviour and not "everyone mysteriously hating you for some unclear reason"
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21:26:21<szczot3k>The situation here - I got banned for x. - No you've been banned for y, don't lie about it - FINE, I'LL TAKE MY SUPPORT ELSEWHERE.
21:26:29<immibis>joepie91: every interaction between two people results jointly from the two people
21:26:36<immibis>it is not the fault of one person
21:26:54<immibis>szczot3k: you are omitting the part where I was immediately threatened to be banned from multiple places
21:27:16<immibis>you are mischaracterizing "I will ban you"
21:27:44<joepie91>yeah, no, that is not how that works
21:28:11<joepie91>it sure is a very convenient way to disclaim responsibility for your behaviour, but it is not remotely how any of this works
21:28:20<immibis>have you considered that I already tried being nice against threats of bans, and got banned, and so now I play hardball against threats of bans?
21:29:07<joepie91>I doubt it
21:29:13<immibis>why? are you me?
21:29:54<joepie91>because I have 10+ years of experience in community moderation in a wide variety of places, everything from imageboards to safe spaces, and literally none of them have ever worked the way you are implying
21:29:58<immibis>when you get banned for saying things like "maybe the game engine could keep a per-type list of objects so that for(var obj of type in world) wouldn't have to scan through all existent objects" maybe you will also come to the conclusion that other people are just unreasonably hostile
21:30:17<joepie91>and I very distinctly recognize your behaviour patterns
21:30:36<joepie91>so no, I don't need a crystal ball to understand what happened there
21:30:37<immibis>which patterns are those?
21:32:28<joepie91>consistently refusing to engage with gentle corrections on behaviour, taking an "I will do what I want and say what I feel like" attitude, wielding positions of power (resources in this case) to manipulate people into tolerating you, until eventually someone says "enough" and bans you for months or years of behaviour and then you pick out the most innocent looking thing you've said and claim that that's why you got banned even though you
21:32:29<joepie91>know very well that it wasn't. it is a position of entitlement and manipulation to get your way, and being completely unable or unwilling to deal with ever being told "no".
21:32:50<joepie91>grow the fuck up.
21:33:23<immibis>what other reasons does J-A-A want to ban me?
21:33:31<immibis>over the last several months or years
21:33:34<joepie91>and I know exactly what "being nice" means in the context of these patterns of behaviour: namely, ignoring or waving away the threats and continuing the behaviour that you were being told "no" on
21:34:06<immibis>this also sounds like an excuse that could be applied to just ban someone for no good reason. "you were doing bad things" "which?" "lots."
21:34:24<katia>--'
21:34:38<immibis>error: unterminated sql statement
21:35:34<joepie91>even in the short time that I have been watching your behaviour here, you have received specific feedback on your behaviour more than enough to have learned from it, if you actually cared. that you choose to ignore this feedback is not anyone else's responsibility or problem.
21:36:25<immibis>as a user of various platforms i'm also well experienced with moderators who consistently take an "I will do what I want and say what I feel like" attitude, wielding positions of power (access to the platform in this case) to manipulate people into tolerating you, until eventually someone says "enough" and makes a competing platform for months or years of behaviour etc...
21:37:58<joepie91>oh yeah, I forgot that one. deflecting all criticism by claiming that actually it's someone else doing it is also a frequent tactic - so frequent even that it has an established name, DARVO
21:38:23<katia>TIL
21:38:28<katia>joepie91++
21:38:29<eggdrop>[karma] 'joepie91' now has 3 karma!
21:38:30<joepie91>like I said: grow the fuck up.
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21:40:09<immibis>that seems to be what you're doing right now, but it's one of those double bind situations: if you accuse someone of DARVO, you are DARVOing.
21:41:12<PredatorIWD2>"If an admin warns to ban me for lying about why I was banned in this other community after talking about politics in a non-political channel and continuing after getting warned, I will threaten him that I will... stop contributing to the volunteer archival of data that will be available to everyone in the general public at large!" ......yeah...
21:43:43<immibis>Sure, if admins treat me poorly, why should I volunteer my resources to them?
21:43:54<immibis>If you want volunteers you have to be nice to people. That's how it works.
21:45:11<PredatorIWD2>Because the resources aren't benefiting them but the general public directly, as mentioned.
21:45:52<szczot3k>Nobody is keeping you here. If you're a PITA to the community, the community will reject you. And as you see it's not only admins pissed at you.
21:47:41<joepie91><immibis> If you want volunteers you have to be nice to people. That's how it works.
21:47:52<joepie91>in the general sense, yes. it absolutely does not require being nice to every person
21:48:06<joepie91>and there are very good reasons not to be nice to some people
21:48:35<joepie91>... like people trying to stoke conflict by misrepresenting conflicts elsewhee
21:48:43<joepie91>elsewhere*
21:50:06<f_>joepie91: https://xkcd.com/1357/
21:51:03<joepie91>yep
21:51:08<f_>immibis: I think this convo is going absolutely nowhere, so I suggest you drop it before things get uglier. I'm not an op here, this is just a friendly tip for you.
21:51:33<f_>As someone who is moderating a few other IRC channels and thus has experience in that.
21:54:03<f_>Also don't assume everyone is against you, because that is obviously false. I know you are banned from a lot of places. Just think about it.
21:54:37<f_>Ask yourself, if your behaviour was acceptable. Seriously think about it.
21:54:57<f_>EOD.
22:01:11<immibis>ok. there will be no rebuttal of what the moderator just said, because the moderator has denied the possibility.
22:02:01<f_>Just think about it. Like I said, just a friendly tip.
22:02:31<f_>I want you to realise before it's too late
22:03:11<immibis>clearly it is already too late
22:03:15<immibis>but oops, that was a disallowed rebuttal
22:03:45<f_>It's not too late now. It will be too late when you'll get banned from all spaces you idle in.
22:04:12<immibis>why do you think that?
22:06:44<f_>You've been banned from a lot of spaces already
22:06:58<f_>Across multiple IRC networks
22:07:23<f_>and you still refuse to question yourself
22:07:52<f_>Ask yourself, was your behaviour acceptable? Could all those bans be avoided if you behaved differently? etc
22:08:39<immibis>I have asked and answered that.
22:08:55<immibis>The answer is the same as it is for my Twitter ban under Musk's rule.
22:09:27<ymgve_>f_: that xkcd is infinitely better as goatkcd (very NSFW)
22:09:51<f_>I don't want to hear about it
22:10:24<f_>immibis: your answer was wrong, because else you wouldn't have a warning here
22:10:34<f_>possibly
22:10:52<f_>I know JAA doesn't put up "I'll ban you" at random
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22:11:48<f_>Neither does some of the spaces I participate in where you got banned from
22:12:09<immibis>how do you know that?
22:12:22<f_>Because I was there when you got banned from DN42
22:12:31<f_>I was there when you got banned from irc.tilde.chat
22:13:20<immibis>when did i get banned from irc.tilde.chat?
22:13:22<f_>This story never stops
22:13:34<f_>you need logs?
22:13:53<immibis>Was it for saying I got banned somewhere else or was it for talking off-topically?
22:14:08<f_>You got banned from #politics (wasn't there at the time) and from #meta (I was there at the time)
22:14:33<f_>The story just goes on and on and on.
22:15:07<immibis>Oh, so it was probably for asking if far-right channel moderators were allowed. Politics channels all over the internet are right-wing so I probably got banned from there for not being right-wing.
22:15:40<f_>no.
22:15:44<f_>I'm sure not.
22:16:00szczot3k immibis!*@* added to ignorelist
22:16:14<immibis>since you reminded me I do remember that I went to meta to ask if this was ok and then the answer was something like either "yes we support right-wing stuff on this network" or "go away retard" so i just removed the network and moved on
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22:17:21<immibis>refusal to discuss something like that constitutes support btw
22:17:27<f_>no it doesn't.
22:17:42<f_>szczot3k: you made me remember I got work to do. /me back to work
22:17:44<mikolaj|m>JAA: sorry for the ping, but I believe you are a moderator here (?). I think this user needs to be banned already, this very much looks like trolling and does not seem to lead to anything useful
22:17:57<immibis>yes it does, if the answer to "do you really want this kind of shit on your network?" is "we don't care" then you do want to have it. If you didn't want to have it then you would remove it.
22:18:19<immibis>btw if you ban me i will start submitting falsified warcs
22:18:44<f_>immibis: See? Isn't that just awful behaviour? > if you ban me i will start submitting falsified warcs
22:18:55<f_>Then you're surprised you get banned from so many communities
22:19:22<immibis>if they want it they can have it. It's the same reason I'm reverse engineering this project whose owners really don't want it to be.
22:19:34<immibis>i treat other people how they treat me
22:19:49<f_>You clearly don't.
22:20:03<f_>You treat people awfully then you're surprised you get banned
22:20:17<f_>then you continue your bad behaviour
22:20:21<immibis>i treat people awfully who treat me awfully
22:20:32<f_>No one here treated you awfully. You started.
22:20:35f_ back to work.
22:21:17<immibis>i started by lightheartedly saying centralized platforms are bad (but heh so are decentralized platforms) and then the next message i received was a ban threat
22:21:18<katia>people have been nothing but kind and to you here immibis. people have been telling you the mistakes you have been making, gone in detail on how you were wrong and you just ignore it.
22:21:23<thuban>https://transfer.archivete.am/gTabZ/times_immibis_has_been_warned.txt
22:21:23<eggdrop>inline (for browser viewing): https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/gTabZ/times_immibis_has_been_warned.txt
22:21:35<immibis>j-a-a started this
22:22:14<f_>That's completely false.
22:22:21<f_>katia++
22:22:27<joepie91>dude. for fucks sake. stop. learn to deal with being told "no".
22:22:32<eggdrop>[karma] 'katia' now has 65 karma!
22:22:32<szczot3k>thuban++
22:22:34<eggdrop>[karma] 'thuban' now has 16 karma!
22:22:37<f_>thuban++
22:22:38<eggdrop>[karma] 'thuban' now has 17 karma!
22:22:43<f_>joepie91++
22:22:43<eggdrop>[karma] 'joepie91' now has 4 karma!
22:22:50<f_>szczot3k++
22:22:50<eggdrop>[karma] 'szczot3k' now has 2 karma!
22:23:04<szczot3k>JAA++
22:23:08<eggdrop>[karma] 'JAA' now has 194 karma!
22:23:16<immibis>in these logs it just seems one person has an aversion to political words, and they're not here right now so what is the problem exactly?
22:26:13<immibis>maybe i should go and write code until people can't afford to be dicks to me. worked for poettering.
22:27:47<nicolas17>comparing yourself to poettering is telling :P
22:31:53<immibis>elaborate
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