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07:54:52<masterx244|m>just saw that someone made a assembly for archiveteam at the 38C3. https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/en/assembly/archiveteam/ I wonder how many of us are there now due to that
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08:01:05<katia>Hehehehehe
08:03:10<masterx244|m>was that you who made the assembly?
08:13:23<katia>I will neither confirm nor deny without being under the influence of some tschunk
08:19:20<kpcyrd>I may drop by :3
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09:15:19<Jake>shame I'm so far :(
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10:01:53<masterx244|m><katia> "I will neither confirm nor..." <- ඞ
10:02:07<katia>amogus
10:02:19<masterx244|m>aka sus answer :P
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10:45:35<monoxane>I really need to make it to c3 one year
10:45:43<monoxane>its just so much to do it coming from aus
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11:31:04<masterx244|m>monoxane: thats the issue most european nerds have with Defcon. too hard to reach. Really glad that we got the C3 here though.
11:37:24<@rewby>Katia, kpcyrd: I'll drop by too
11:45:14<masterx244|m>first time being able to catch you, too then rewby
11:48:30<@rewby>masterx244|m: Fun!
11:48:36<@rewby>katia: Do assemblies get tables?
11:48:39<@rewby>We might need one
11:49:00<@rewby>Also, if someone brings a spare laptop; we can have a little display of the tracker.
11:49:05<masterx244|m>yes, unless you tell otherwise assembly = tablespace
11:49:22<@rewby>Noice
11:49:28<@rewby>I'll be using that then :)
11:49:42<masterx244|m>(created one for the local computerclub that i am from, too. was surprised that someone ninja'd in a AT assembly. would have organized a meetup at my assembly otherwise)
11:49:53<@rewby>Heh
11:50:23<@rewby>Definitely give me a call on dect when people arrive
11:50:27<masterx244|m>also: i should be easy to recognize. on the last events where i was i was the only one with a Red5 Xwing helmet on
11:50:34<masterx244|m>whats your DECT then rewby?
11:50:41<masterx244|m>7335 (RED5 vanity) is mine
11:50:45<@rewby>DTEL or RWBY
11:50:51<@rewby>One is dect, one is gsm
11:51:23<masterx244|m>got ROT5 (red5 in german) as my GSM one. that one redirects to DECT if it is not in the network. DECT is my primary "hotline"
11:51:48<@rewby>https://guru3.eventphone.de/event.erb/phonebook?q=rewby&order=extension ;)
11:51:52<masterx244|m>whats the meaning in DTEL btw?
11:51:59<@rewby>My fake telecom; DodgyTel
11:52:03<masterx244|m>ahh
11:52:20<@rewby>I do funny phone shenanigans
11:53:02<@rewby>I built something like eventphone, but it's "deploy RFPs at people's houses and you can roam between them and call"
11:53:21<@rewby>So I can use my dect at home to call my friend in .si via dect
11:53:38<masterx244|m>anyone here bringing stuff for the YoloColo, too for warrioring out of that premium interwebz?
11:53:50<@rewby>Hm. I could, but I don't have anything small enough.
11:54:06<@rewby>Actually, I have a laptop with a fucked battery
11:54:08<@rewby>Wait no
11:54:10<masterx244|m>got a 2HE rack server with me. using that for Pixelflut there mainly
11:54:10<@rewby>Hhhmmmm
11:54:19<@rewby>I have plenty of 1U boxes
11:54:24<@rewby>The issue is transport
11:54:59<masterx244|m>(had that server at the GPN earlier this year, too. luckily i travel by car with a friend. we stash the servers (buddy has one, too) at the assembly on day0 so we can setup it quickly and thend eploy)
11:55:53<@rewby>Ah, fair
11:56:29<@rewby>Let me know if you need help; I'm helping with buildup so I'll be on site on day -something
11:57:27<masterx244|m>Using the fact that the pallets and pallet movers exist for moving stuff from unload to assembly to get it to location much easier than manual carry :P
11:57:40<masterx244|m>you a local or how does it come that you are there that early?
11:58:40<@rewby>I volunteered to help, and I have connections
11:59:08<@rewby>Was able to arrange a ride with someone else who's volunteering
11:59:25<@rewby>Backup plan was Bahn
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12:01:37<masterx244|m>for most its the staying that prevents early buildup helping time. unless you got connections it gets expensive quick
12:01:51<@rewby>It's not cheap no
12:02:05<@rewby>But I find rolling cables to be enjoyable
12:02:18<@rewby>Doing buildup at EMFCamp was also good fun
12:02:36<masterx244|m>at the GPN i was there a day early, too for the buildup stuff. (angel hours without blocking event content at all)
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12:02:58<masterx244|m>but that was because its not a big city and was off-schedule so one extra night was cheap
12:03:03<@rewby>I'll have enough angel hours for the shirt before event starts lol
12:04:36<@rewby>Heck, my volunteering for 38c3 starts on sunday; I'm doing a big switch update run
12:05:59<masterx244|m>for me the final stages of preparation start soon, too. got to squish a few cockroaches in the project stuff that i got with me and server readying. need to get it pre-configured and up to date for pixelflut and other crunching fun. (2x10 core with hyperthreading and 384GB ram)
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12:07:40<@rewby>Neat
12:08:09<@rewby>Similar to my 2x14c28t w/ 384G ram box
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12:09:38<masterx244|m>mine was yoinked from /dev/null. free box. useful for event hosting fun :P
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13:09:44<masterx244|m>Ticket download open. already printed mine out
13:12:27<@rewby>Added mine to google wallet
13:21:30<@rewby>masterx244|m: Ah lucky
13:21:36<@rewby>Love a good free server
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15:02:07<pabs>monoxane: go for the camps. the dutch one is good too
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16:01:36<katia2>pabs: are you coming to why2025?
16:01:59<pabs>nope
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16:39:52<nicolas17>waaah
16:40:06<nicolas17>I want to go to CCC T_T
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16:55:54<kpcyrd>masterx244|m: I could bring one of the spare computers I hoard for yolocolo, but I probably won't have time to do stuff, so would just hand over ssh to somebody
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17:04:26<katia>give it to me iwill install nixos on it and do nothing with it :)))
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17:19:06<kpcyrd>it will reproducibly do nothing
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18:10:37<masterx244|m><kpcyrd> "masterx244: I could bring one of..." <- warrior set for the projects and a minimum setup for connectivity should be enough :P got to check if i can squeeze one in around my pixelfluting stuff on my server
18:15:37<katia>so, how many ATers are going to ccc....?
18:15:39<katia>o/
18:18:10<that_lurker>;-( not me
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18:43:19<nicolas17>I just got an email "When searching for information to build POV-Ray with Cmake I saw a message of yours in the newsgroups telling you were attempting it. Did you end up maintaining it? and even if not, would you still have around the requirements?"
18:43:20<nicolas17>I searched for my message in the POV-Ray newsgroups, it was in March 2014
18:43:21<nicolas17>bro I don't even remember what I did last month what do you expect from me
18:58:00<katia>xD
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19:16:00<nicolas17>if I still have the code it's probably on my old desktop PC which currently has 0 megabytes of RAM
19:17:37<@JAA>That's not very many megabytes.
19:22:29<nicolas17>I scavenged its single DIMM for another computer years ago
19:25:02<masterx244|m><katia> "so, how many ATers are going..." <- if immibis is going, too its 5
19:25:27<katia>my GSM is KATI/5284 btw
19:26:18<katia>i don't have a dect and i don't think i'll acquire one in time
19:27:57<masterx244|m>still the same phone network in the backend
19:28:47<masterx244|m>(sidenote: my regular phone never gets switched to "loud" for ringing ever. the DECT at CCC events is configured to be obviously loud so i don't miss a onsite call
19:28:53<masterx244|m>)
19:29:10<katia>ye i know :D
19:29:16<katia>and GSM has SMS!
19:29:54<masterx244|m>got both luckily :P, grabbed me a cheapo android for congress shenanigans (main one doesn't have a full 2nd sim, only eSim and those are unobtainium unless you were at camp last year)
19:30:24<masterx244|m>GSM got a call redirect to DECT incase its not online though so both numbers work
19:30:39<katia>i can't justify buying a dect thingy
19:31:43<kpcyrd>katia: I've been around since (very) late 2018 but idk I count as ATer
19:32:44<masterx244|m>katia: gotta check if one thats floating around in boxes at my local compclub is compatible for borrowing out
19:52:01<katia>we are all ATers on this blessed day
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19:54:33<@JAA>Anyone is who cares about what we do and contributes in any way.
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20:02:06<masterx244|m>and sometimes you don't expect a random crawl of stuff being the only remaining copy of some data. noticed that one forum that i crawled for the imgur link search disappeared. Luckily i pushed my crawl to the IA so the data did not disappear completely
20:02:40<masterx244|m>(missed a shutdown announcement since the RSS feed bricked itself earlier, otherwise i would have caught it early enough in my feedreader)
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20:37:31<immibis>masterx244|m: do i count as an ATer now?
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20:38:37<immibis>i'm not bringing a proper computer
20:39:23<immibis>certainly not the one with the 10g fiber for pixelflut
20:40:00<immibis>(i think there are two versions of pixelflut - are you talking about the slow tcp version or the very fast udp one?)
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20:50:44<masterx244|m><immibis> "(i think there are two versions..." <- regular TCP one was the only one that i flooded with so far
20:51:39<masterx244|m>on the GPN we had a really fast TCP one. peak at that one was 100GBit/sec (server of it had a 200Gbit pipe, but the guy hosting it ran into a CPU bottleneck, 64core epyc server was at 100% usage).
20:53:14<immibis>i heard OHM managed to increase by 50% the total internet throughput of the netherlands by running pixelflut over the internet
20:53:31<immibis>presumably the UDP version
20:53:44<immibis>and they were then asked to stop
20:53:53<joepie91>I doubt it would've been that much tbh
20:54:17<joepie91>also, SHA had internet-accessible pixelflut again
20:56:40<masterx244|m>joepie91: with UDP it could since the clientrs don't care if the server gets the data
20:56:59<masterx244|m>TCP is self-regulating since the packets not getting thru trigger connection throttling
20:57:10<joepie91>it really doesn't matter what protocol you are using if you're limited by the physical pipe :p
20:58:13<joepie91>SHA2017 had 100gbps which was a milestone, I doubt OHM would've been much more (probably less, but I haven't checked), and it seems implausible to me that even a fully-used 100gbps pipe would constitute "half the total internet throughput of the netherlands" given how commonly available 1gbps residential is here
20:58:48<joepie91>I'm frequently pulling shit down at 700-800mbps on my own connection alone
20:59:06<joepie91>er
20:59:11<joepie91>SHA2022
20:59:19<joepie91>christ
20:59:25<joepie91>I keep getting my years mixed up
20:59:33<joepie91>no it was SHA2017 and then MCH2022 had a bit faster I think
20:59:52<masterx244|m>UDP packets get dropped inbetween if they run into a too narrow pipe since the sender says "IDC what happens". that means the intermediate pipes can get saturated, too even if they are wider than the final segment
21:00:25<joepie91>sure but then you're not really running pixelflut are you, then you might as well send your packets to a random IP
21:00:39<joepie91>and you wouldn't be able to measure it either...
21:00:59<joepie91>the more plausible explanation to me seems to be that it was hyperbole :p
21:01:34<immibis>joepie91: i heard they had something like 400gbps. but i just heard this once, wouldn't be surprising if the details were wrong.
21:02:25<masterx244|m>immibis: that would require a really optimized to the last bit implementation. GPN this year had someone with a 64core epyc CPU and that got pegged short after 100GBit/sec
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21:21:09<immibis>i know the one they brought to bornhack had some offloadable nic stuff
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22:26:08<@imer>https://everyuuid.com/ should maybe throw this into AB in case the site goes down? would be sad to loose a uuid forever in case its not referenced anywhere else
22:35:17<@imer>via hn: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42342712
22:35:35<@imer>err this is the link to the submission https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42342382
22:40:39<immibis>the scrollbar that goes all the way to the end is a nice touch
22:43:15<@imer>https://eieio.games/blog/writing-down-every-uuid/ is a good read as well
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