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05:21:54 | <steering> | https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd?sku=WD221KFGX 44TB of CMR for $700 ... Really good deal |
05:25:33 | <@JAA> | Not bad for WD, yeah. |
05:25:53 | <@JAA> | Works out to about the same price as the normal one for Seagate Exos and Toshiba Enterprise Capacity models around here. |
05:26:47 | <steering> | not here lol |
05:27:01 | <steering> | they're like $19/TB instead of $16/TB |
05:27:25 | <steering> | (WD's normal price on these is also like $19-20/TB) |
05:27:36 | <@JAA> | Yeah, comparisons between continents are weird. |
05:28:08 | <@JAA> | The cheapest models of the ones I mentioned are usually available for $16-17/TB here. |
05:28:09 | <steering> | the only thing that beats it on diskprices.com (IMO) is a WD 20TB External |
05:28:33 | <steering> | though there are some smaller drives, up to 16TB, for slightly cheaper per TB |
05:29:10 | <imer> | I am *shocked* (not) the sale is ass in the UK, at least compared to the models JAA mentioned |
05:29:12 | <@JAA> | Cheapest one right now according to the major comparison site is a Seagate Exos 16 TB for CHF 221 ~ USD 250. |
05:29:29 | <@JAA> | X16, if anyone cares. |
05:29:42 | <steering> | that's uhh... $299 here |
05:29:51 | <steering> | oh, thats X18 though |
05:30:05 | <steering> | but cheapest Exos 16TB on it |
05:30:16 | <@JAA> | The X18 is about USD 20 more here. |
05:30:40 | <@JAA> | X18 16 TB, that is. |
05:30:45 | <@JAA> | Their naming is ... confusing. |
05:30:49 | <imer> | 23.8$/TB for the 20TB reds (math is hard) |
05:31:03 | <@JAA> | Oof |
05:31:03 | <steering> | X16 is $20 more than X18 here lol |
05:31:09 | <steering> | (on amazon, but also not prime) |
05:31:24 | <steering> | yeah, not even FBA on the X16, so guess its discontinued here maybe |
05:31:33 | <steering> | seagate's site also didn't list it (or maybe listed it with no pricing) |
05:31:41 | <steering> | HDDs are confusing in general :) |
05:32:05 | <steering> | weird how different pricing is |
05:32:27 | <steering> | i'd blame the tariffs but they're not usually made in china afaik :P |
05:33:38 | <@JAA> | One I just bought is from Thailand, the other doesn't say. |
05:33:51 | <steering> | yeah, the dead one I have on my desk is from Thailand |
05:34:00 | <@JAA> | F |
05:34:19 | <steering> | happens when soda spills and somehow ends up on the bottom of it :P |
05:34:29 | <imer> | F |
05:34:31 | <@JAA> | Ouch |
05:35:09 | <@JAA> | Cheapest internal WD here right now is the Ultrastar DC HC570 at CHF 369/USD 418. |
05:35:23 | <@JAA> | That's also 22 TB. |
05:35:39 | <steering> | yeah, that's about normal price for the red pro |
05:35:53 | <imer> | 22 doesn't seem worth it yet to me unless you want the density, 18/20 seems to be the sweet spot really |
05:36:03 | <steering> | well. |
05:36:22 | <steering> | I was going for 20TB, but the last 2 times I've bought drives, 22TB was quite a bit cheaper per TB |
05:36:43 | <imer> | huh. that'd make sense then yeah |
05:37:37 | <steering> | ... although |
05:37:43 | <steering> | of course after I buy they lowered the price of the 20TB :D |
05:37:52 | <imer> | that's how that goes haha |
05:38:10 | <steering> | it was like $400 or $420 for 20TB a couple days ago, now $320 which is an even better deal than the 22TB |
05:38:15 | <@JAA> | Yeah, 16, 18, or 20 TB are usually the cheapest here. I have a mix. |
05:38:15 | <steering> | but oh well, i'll take my extra capaciy |
05:38:42 | <steering> | I'm maxed out on drives so I kinda really need it anyway :) |
05:38:50 | <@JAA> | 24 TB are available, but meh. |
05:39:26 | <@JAA> | Oh, there are some 26 TB now, but uh, delivery in February. lol |
05:43:44 | <steering> | my current capacity is uhh 33.6TB and well... I've been over 32TB used since August |
05:43:54 | <steering> | I had to delete like 1.5TB of stuff that I can easily re-download, oh noes! |
05:44:48 | <steering> | https://i.imgur.com/YrPaijr.png |
05:45:28 | <@JAA> | https://web.archive.org/web/20240309094250id_/https://dl.fireon.live/irc/d4ba4e80d890fc50/wtf-delete.png |
05:45:39 | <steering> | ^ exactly |
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07:57:12 | <immibis> | imer: i think it averages to a few hundred Mbps when considering the throttling rules. |
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11:04:55 | <pabs> | Debian Linux kernel team meeting about livepatches http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-kernel/2024/debian-kernel.2024-11-27-20.00.html |
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13:21:00 | <immibis> | when I had two big storage drives, they were A and B. Now I have 14 in different capacities. how should I label them? just continue with letters even though the letters are meaningless? |
13:26:03 | <pabs> | just use UUIDs :) |
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13:29:16 | <steering> | will anything else be any more meaningful? :) |
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13:57:30 | <myself> | I'm glad to see some Toshiba and Seagate offerings being at least halfway competitive. I completely swore off WD after the "SMR is fine for NAS" debacle, when they had the chance to apologize and instead doubled down. |
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14:05:15 | <pabs> | what do people buy for SSDs? |
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14:57:08 | <imer> | <that_lurker|m> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42264427 Hetzner cutting traffic from 20tb to 1tb on US vps |
14:57:08 | <imer> | darn, guess that was one of them too good things as well that couldn't last forever |
15:07:59 | <nstrom|m> | oof yeah |
15:11:34 | <that_lurker> | at least it's still only 1$ per Tb over the initial limit |
15:12:21 | <that_lurker> | of course if you pay 4$ for the vps and actively used the 20tb then its a lot. |
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15:25:54 | <imer> | still pretty fair, yeah |
15:34:07 | <szczot3k> | If you bought it while it's advertised with 20TB, then it's a lot, but it's fair. |
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16:00:19 | <nukke> | dude what the fuck |
16:00:46 | <nukke> | I literally signed up for hetzner yesterday |
16:02:26 | <imer> | eu ones are still as-is as far as i understood |
16:02:31 | <nukke> | hmm actually $1/TB is not horrible I guess. I know for sure I will exceed 1tb |
16:02:57 | <nukke> | I have 250ms+ latency to closest EU dc |
16:03:29 | <nukke> | https://cloudpingtest.com/ |
16:03:52 | <nukke> | I went with hetzner specifically because of the price and much better latency compared to ovh |
16:04:00 | <imer> | rip |
16:09:03 | <kiska> | Hrm... etherpad has a few updates, so I might try applying them... |
16:09:07 | <kiska> | Wish me luck! |
16:10:21 | <kiska> | Before that imma take a Vultr snapshot of the VM |
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17:53:08 | <kiska> | I guess now I am doing a release upgrade cause this machine is Ubuntu 16.04... |
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17:58:19 | <nicolas17> | oof |
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18:04:09 | <steering> | 2 release upgrades please? :P |
18:04:20 | <steering> | 18.04 is a year and a half EOL by now |
18:05:13 | | steering glances at the phone server at work that's still on 18.04 |
18:05:14 | | steering shrugs |
18:05:47 | <kiska> | 18.04 is on extended support so :D |
18:06:44 | <kiska> | I need 2 release updates anyway cause node 18 needs a newish glib |
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18:11:15 | <steering> | mmh, yeah, 18.04 has aaaaaaaaancient node |
18:14:06 | <joepie91> | ah yes, 'extended support', ie. EOL with a bow on it :p |
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18:53:56 | <kpcyrd> | nukke: life hack: have poly relationships with hosters |
18:54:20 | <kpcyrd> | for some time I have collected vps at different hosters like pokemon |
18:54:34 | <alexlehm> | something like multi-cloud |
18:54:39 | | kpcyrd has more reasonable hobbies these days |
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19:16:01 | <nukke> | kpcyrd: I was friends with the ramnode folks before it got sold/acquired. used to get free VPSs :( |
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20:45:56 | <@JAA> | immibis: My naming scheme is the model number and a counter for each drive of that model. For Toshiba drives, I add a 'TS' in front so I can just use the first two letters to identify the manufacturer. Programmatically, I identify them by UUID in /dev/disk/by-uuid though, and I keep a list of label, UUID, and serial number. |
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20:53:19 | <@JAA> | Re Hetzner, isn't that statement effectively saying their US locations were subsidised by EU/SG customers? So the prices in the latter locations should be going down, right? ;-) |
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20:57:59 | <@JAA> | Also, since it wasn't mentioned, they're not just lowering the traffic limit but also increasing the prices in general. |
20:58:08 | <@JAA> | (For US butt servers) |
20:58:54 | <nicolas17> | DigitalOcean must have some big "X subsidizing Y" scheme going on |
20:59:00 | <nicolas17> | because prices are identical in all regions |
20:59:52 | <joepie91> | they do |
21:00:25 | <nicolas17> | this torrent is annoying me |
21:00:36 | <nicolas17> | at the current speed I would take 98 days to finish downloading it |
21:01:04 | <nicolas17> | except the only other peer doesn't even have the full file so I will stall when I get to 38% |
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21:34:19 | | Topic: Wanna bikeshed about the topic? | We can't be back on our bullshit if we were never off our bullshit FOREHEADTAP.GIF |
21:34:19 | | Topic set by Fusl at 2019-09-06 21:43:25Z |
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22:04:25 | <nicolas17> | "why is my internet so slow" |
22:04:30 | <nicolas17> | try speedtest.net |
22:04:36 | <nicolas17> | test never starts |
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22:42:44 | <hexa-> | JAA: pretty much, I think they needed to enter the US market more competitively as say singpapure |
22:42:47 | <hexa-> | singapure* |
22:44:23 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
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23:26:06 | <pabs> | https://blog.torproject.org/call-for-webtunnel-bridges/ |