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05:21:54<steering>https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd?sku=WD221KFGX 44TB of CMR for $700 ... Really good deal
05:25:33<@JAA>Not bad for WD, yeah.
05:25:53<@JAA>Works out to about the same price as the normal one for Seagate Exos and Toshiba Enterprise Capacity models around here.
05:26:47<steering>not here lol
05:27:01<steering>they're like $19/TB instead of $16/TB
05:27:25<steering>(WD's normal price on these is also like $19-20/TB)
05:27:36<@JAA>Yeah, comparisons between continents are weird.
05:28:08<@JAA>The cheapest models of the ones I mentioned are usually available for $16-17/TB here.
05:28:09<steering>the only thing that beats it on diskprices.com (IMO) is a WD 20TB External
05:28:33<steering>though there are some smaller drives, up to 16TB, for slightly cheaper per TB
05:29:10<imer>I am *shocked* (not) the sale is ass in the UK, at least compared to the models JAA mentioned
05:29:12<@JAA>Cheapest one right now according to the major comparison site is a Seagate Exos 16 TB for CHF 221 ~ USD 250.
05:29:29<@JAA>X16, if anyone cares.
05:29:42<steering>that's uhh... $299 here
05:29:51<steering>oh, thats X18 though
05:30:05<steering>but cheapest Exos 16TB on it
05:30:16<@JAA>The X18 is about USD 20 more here.
05:30:40<@JAA>X18 16 TB, that is.
05:30:45<@JAA>Their naming is ... confusing.
05:30:49<imer>23.8$/TB for the 20TB reds (math is hard)
05:31:03<@JAA>Oof
05:31:03<steering>X16 is $20 more than X18 here lol
05:31:09<steering>(on amazon, but also not prime)
05:31:24<steering>yeah, not even FBA on the X16, so guess its discontinued here maybe
05:31:33<steering>seagate's site also didn't list it (or maybe listed it with no pricing)
05:31:41<steering>HDDs are confusing in general :)
05:32:05<steering>weird how different pricing is
05:32:27<steering>i'd blame the tariffs but they're not usually made in china afaik :P
05:33:38<@JAA>One I just bought is from Thailand, the other doesn't say.
05:33:51<steering>yeah, the dead one I have on my desk is from Thailand
05:34:00<@JAA>F
05:34:19<steering>happens when soda spills and somehow ends up on the bottom of it :P
05:34:29<imer>F
05:34:31<@JAA>Ouch
05:35:09<@JAA>Cheapest internal WD here right now is the Ultrastar DC HC570 at CHF 369/USD 418.
05:35:23<@JAA>That's also 22 TB.
05:35:39<steering>yeah, that's about normal price for the red pro
05:35:53<imer>22 doesn't seem worth it yet to me unless you want the density, 18/20 seems to be the sweet spot really
05:36:03<steering>well.
05:36:22<steering>I was going for 20TB, but the last 2 times I've bought drives, 22TB was quite a bit cheaper per TB
05:36:43<imer>huh. that'd make sense then yeah
05:37:37<steering>... although
05:37:43<steering>of course after I buy they lowered the price of the 20TB :D
05:37:52<imer>that's how that goes haha
05:38:10<steering>it was like $400 or $420 for 20TB a couple days ago, now $320 which is an even better deal than the 22TB
05:38:15<@JAA>Yeah, 16, 18, or 20 TB are usually the cheapest here. I have a mix.
05:38:15<steering>but oh well, i'll take my extra capaciy
05:38:42<steering>I'm maxed out on drives so I kinda really need it anyway :)
05:38:50<@JAA>24 TB are available, but meh.
05:39:26<@JAA>Oh, there are some 26 TB now, but uh, delivery in February. lol
05:43:44<steering>my current capacity is uhh 33.6TB and well... I've been over 32TB used since August
05:43:54<steering>I had to delete like 1.5TB of stuff that I can easily re-download, oh noes!
05:44:48<steering>https://i.imgur.com/YrPaijr.png
05:45:28<@JAA>https://web.archive.org/web/20240309094250id_/https://dl.fireon.live/irc/d4ba4e80d890fc50/wtf-delete.png
05:45:39<steering>^ exactly
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07:57:12<immibis>imer: i think it averages to a few hundred Mbps when considering the throttling rules.
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11:04:55<pabs>Debian Linux kernel team meeting about livepatches http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-kernel/2024/debian-kernel.2024-11-27-20.00.html
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13:21:00<immibis>when I had two big storage drives, they were A and B. Now I have 14 in different capacities. how should I label them? just continue with letters even though the letters are meaningless?
13:26:03<pabs>just use UUIDs :)
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13:29:16<steering>will anything else be any more meaningful? :)
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13:57:30<myself>I'm glad to see some Toshiba and Seagate offerings being at least halfway competitive. I completely swore off WD after the "SMR is fine for NAS" debacle, when they had the chance to apologize and instead doubled down.
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14:05:15<pabs>what do people buy for SSDs?
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14:57:08<imer><that_lurker|m> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42264427 Hetzner cutting traffic from 20tb to 1tb on US vps
14:57:08<imer>darn, guess that was one of them too good things as well that couldn't last forever
15:07:59<nstrom|m>oof yeah
15:11:34<that_lurker>at least it's still only 1$ per Tb over the initial limit
15:12:21<that_lurker>of course if you pay 4$ for the vps and actively used the 20tb then its a lot.
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15:25:54<imer>still pretty fair, yeah
15:34:07<szczot3k>If you bought it while it's advertised with 20TB, then it's a lot, but it's fair.
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16:00:19<nukke>dude what the fuck
16:00:46<nukke>I literally signed up for hetzner yesterday
16:02:26<imer>eu ones are still as-is as far as i understood
16:02:31<nukke>hmm actually $1/TB is not horrible I guess. I know for sure I will exceed 1tb
16:02:57<nukke>I have 250ms+ latency to closest EU dc
16:03:29<nukke>https://cloudpingtest.com/
16:03:52<nukke>I went with hetzner specifically because of the price and much better latency compared to ovh
16:04:00<imer>rip
16:09:03<kiska>Hrm... etherpad has a few updates, so I might try applying them...
16:09:07<kiska>Wish me luck!
16:10:21<kiska>Before that imma take a Vultr snapshot of the VM
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17:53:08<kiska>I guess now I am doing a release upgrade cause this machine is Ubuntu 16.04...
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17:58:19<nicolas17>oof
18:04:09<steering>2 release upgrades please? :P
18:04:20<steering>18.04 is a year and a half EOL by now
18:05:13steering glances at the phone server at work that's still on 18.04
18:05:14steering shrugs
18:05:47<kiska>18.04 is on extended support so :D
18:06:44<kiska>I need 2 release updates anyway cause node 18 needs a newish glib
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18:11:15<steering>mmh, yeah, 18.04 has aaaaaaaaancient node
18:14:06<joepie91>ah yes, 'extended support', ie. EOL with a bow on it :p
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18:53:56<kpcyrd>nukke: life hack: have poly relationships with hosters
18:54:20<kpcyrd>for some time I have collected vps at different hosters like pokemon
18:54:34<alexlehm>something like multi-cloud
18:54:39kpcyrd has more reasonable hobbies these days
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19:16:01<nukke>kpcyrd: I was friends with the ramnode folks before it got sold/acquired. used to get free VPSs :(
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20:45:56<@JAA>immibis: My naming scheme is the model number and a counter for each drive of that model. For Toshiba drives, I add a 'TS' in front so I can just use the first two letters to identify the manufacturer. Programmatically, I identify them by UUID in /dev/disk/by-uuid though, and I keep a list of label, UUID, and serial number.
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20:53:19<@JAA>Re Hetzner, isn't that statement effectively saying their US locations were subsidised by EU/SG customers? So the prices in the latter locations should be going down, right? ;-)
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20:57:59<@JAA>Also, since it wasn't mentioned, they're not just lowering the traffic limit but also increasing the prices in general.
20:58:08<@JAA>(For US butt servers)
20:58:54<nicolas17>DigitalOcean must have some big "X subsidizing Y" scheme going on
20:59:00<nicolas17>because prices are identical in all regions
20:59:52<joepie91>they do
21:00:25<nicolas17>this torrent is annoying me
21:00:36<nicolas17>at the current speed I would take 98 days to finish downloading it
21:01:04<nicolas17>except the only other peer doesn't even have the full file so I will stall when I get to 38%
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21:34:19Topic: Wanna bikeshed about the topic? | We can't be back on our bullshit if we were never off our bullshit FOREHEADTAP.GIF
21:34:19Topic set by Fusl at 2019-09-06 21:43:25Z
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22:04:25<nicolas17>"why is my internet so slow"
22:04:30<nicolas17>try speedtest.net
22:04:36<nicolas17>test never starts
22:08:15<ymgve_>your internet is dead
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22:42:44<hexa->JAA: pretty much, I think they needed to enter the US market more competitively as say singpapure
22:42:47<hexa->singapure*
22:44:23<@JAA>Yeah
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23:26:06<pabs>https://blog.torproject.org/call-for-webtunnel-bridges/