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03:25:50<nicolas17>https://retro.social/@ifixcoinops/113499606975012112 omg
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03:57:18<thuban>"there's several courses of bricks unaccounted for, I go 'Oh aye I did find some underneath my window'" hm
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04:25:49<nicolas17>yay we got 16 stub pages written https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/List_of_asset_types
04:26:11<nicolas17>because writing "This asset is for the AirPods Pro 2 firmware. {{stub}}" is better than nothing
04:33:01<thuban>mvp, ship it
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06:09:47<immibis>f_: matrix is a protocol about rooms. there is a subset of this protocol which is the protocol of stuff that happens within a room. that subset has versions. which are called room versions. this is not obvious?
06:10:15<immibis>it's like how http can deliver files, and then there's a content-type that tells you the type of file, and each type of file is a different protocol
06:11:57<immibis>of course different room versions define related protocols, which is why they're called versions and not completely different protocols, just like html4 is related to html5
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07:24:27<pabs>https://mastodon.sdf.org/@art/113516488675243358
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10:47:47<immibis>these logos are so meaningless to me, it took me a while to see the problem. i just read the word "github" and see it's github, like a normal person...
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11:49:28<joepie91>immibis: that is not even remotely how room versions work
11:56:53<immibis>then how do room versions work?
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12:56:07<joepie91>immibis: I explained that in a fair amount of detail last night.
13:04:02<immibis>yeah you described what i said
13:04:30<immibis>would it help you if i called it the room distributed consistency protocol version?
13:05:24<immibis>or room state resolution protocol version?
13:05:32<immibis>s/state/conflict/
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15:23:04<nukke>does hetzner usually run deals on black friday/cybermonday? trying to decide if I should go OVH now, or wait for potential hetzner sales
15:28:14<nukke>ha, nevermind, I found a reddit thread asking this and the hetzner rep saying "I can't say, but don't wait for a sale ;)"
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17:22:22<f_>immibis: that's not how things work
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18:16:17<nukke>hmmm, hetzner or ovh?
18:16:30<nukke>all other vps providers seem shady
18:16:45<steering>lol?
18:17:18<TheTechRobo8>What exactly are you looking for?
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18:19:23<steering>either of them will be fine, although budget is budget and germany is germany
18:20:04<steering>any of "all other" vps providers would probably be fine too
18:22:44<nukke>TheTechRobo: mainly bandwidth. I am now behind a stupid CGNAT so I need a way to route all my traffic.
18:23:21<katia>nukke, just move
18:23:22<nukke>Hetzner has some cheap-ish ARM servers. overall not much more expensive than OVH
18:23:25<steering>go for whichever is closer to you then
18:23:33<steering>(latency wise)
18:24:01<nukke>katia: how much to colo my servers at your house
18:24:09<katia>buy me dinner
18:24:13<nukke>pass
18:24:18<katia>ur loss
18:24:33<DigitalDragons>ew, cgnat
18:24:47<nukke>besides, you'd connect my servers to your unifi wifi5 ap :/
18:25:01<katia>and it'd still be faster than your uplink
18:25:27<nukke>you're lucky I'm not an op
18:25:44<that_lurker>lol
18:25:45<DigitalDragons>(you've got wifi in your servers?)
18:26:20<steering>ooh
18:26:28<steering>i bought a new router
18:26:37<that_lurker>DigitalDragons: nukke needs wifi on the server to connect them to the neighbours wifi for faster uplink
18:26:52<nukke>DigitalDragons: eh it's bittersweet. I finally have fiber for much cheaper than my previous coax connection, but I'm now behind a cgnat.
18:27:21<steering>(not sure yet if i'll be disconnecting my old AP, or using it for additional coverage)
18:27:28<nukke>not sure if their routing or ARIN registration is fucked, but some services like Steam think my location is like 500 miles away
18:27:32<steering>am excite, openwrt again instead of $crappy_isp_locked_down_router
18:27:47<nukke>lol stfu that_lurker you're on my shitlist too
18:28:15<nukke>steering: what ISP?
18:28:21<steering>DigitalDragons: my home server has wifi 🤷‍♂️
18:28:26<steering>I don't use it, but it has it lol
18:28:30<steering>nukke: spectrum
18:28:34<that_lurker>nukke: be careful not to make it too long. Might not be able to load it with your network :-P
18:28:48<nukke>steering: heh, I _just_ moved from spectrum.
18:28:54<steering>lucky you :P
18:28:56<DigitalDragons>why not both? my isp decided to route all my traffic through another state instead of the area right next to me for a while
18:29:00steering cries in 10Mbps upload
18:29:08<nukke>ouch
18:29:18<nukke>such is life in the DOCSIS world
18:29:19<steering>meh
18:29:27<steering>more ouch would be paying like $150/mo or whatever for 30M up
18:29:34<nukke>yikes!
18:29:46<nukke>I was paying 100/mo for 600/30
18:29:48<steering>(although actually I think we're still in acquisition rates so like $100/mo or something)
18:29:56<nukke>now it's $65 for 1g/1g
18:30:01<steering>yeah
18:30:25<steering>sadly none of my homes have ever had anything better than cable available
18:30:36<nukke>move to the upper midwest ;)
18:30:40<steering>oh, apparently Spectrum has recently upgraded to 400M down for free
18:30:44<steering>I mean
18:30:48<steering>I lived in Austin for 30 years
18:30:59<that_lurker>I'm happy with my 1000/1000 for 30€/mo
18:31:00<DigitalDragons>$60 for 1000/50
18:31:11<steering>"Hey Google Fiber is coming to down!" like a decade ago but LOL yeah good luck finding anywhere that has it (or anything else decent)
18:31:35<steering>mostly #JustApartmentThings and then #JustSuburbThings once we rented a house
18:31:41<nukke>sucks that google has severed ADHD. did they ever deploy to anywhere besides like Kansas and CA?
18:31:49<nukke>severe*
18:31:51<steering>"you can have any ISP you want, so long as it's the one ISP that we'll allow to install their lines on the property"
18:32:09<steering>I mean, they do technically exist in Austin, and they've even been expanding to Round Rock.
18:32:33<steering>It's just that they're only in tiny pockets and they don't even really tell you where (they used to be really proud of it, for the first few years)
18:33:04<DigitalDragons>I want to know who I have to bribe to get a fiber service to my neighborhood lol
18:33:09<steering>^
18:33:18<steering>I want to know how to start my own ISP, lol
18:33:19<nukke>hey man, we always welcome people up here. in the metro area they offer 10G fiber at a lot of apartments for <$100
18:33:50<steering>also, I now live in the middle of nowhere in Montana. so like. there's not a ton of demand up here.
18:34:11<nukke>oh scratch that, $150 but I think they have introductory offers
18:34:36<nukke>huh I thought you were still in TX for some reason
18:34:59DigitalDragons starts doing the math on how many servers you'd need for renting a colo apartment to be cheaper
18:35:08<steering>lol
18:35:22<nukke>just crowdfund from #AT peeps :D
18:35:39<that_lurker>If I had enough money and lived in a house 40 000/40 000 for 800€/mo would we nice :-P
18:35:42<steering>I do wish I was rich and could just afford to drop like, a few grand a month on internet service
18:36:10<DigitalDragons>stick all the warriors in one apartment
18:36:16<nukke>could always befriend the rich neighbor that does have the most expensive fiber tier, and then leech their wifi
18:36:18<DigitalDragons>see how many abuse notices we can get
18:36:22<steering>go buy a generator and get a couple of companies to provide enterprise service to my house
18:36:36<DigitalDragons>maybe then we can have the archiveteam asn too
18:36:42<steering>why pay for colo when you can do it yourself :D
18:36:51<nukke>katia already promised she'd be my BGP neighbor
18:37:13<steering>the biggest problem is that like
18:37:25<steering>i'm pretty sure spectrum is quite literally the only game in town
18:37:35<steering>(other than centurylink, which, LOLOLOLOL no i'm not doing DSL)
18:37:58<nukke>I hate to say it, but starlink is also an option. not sure if they have metered connections tho
18:38:10<steering>yeah but I mean like
18:38:14<steering>for actual high speeds xP
18:38:27<nukke>don't they offer "up to" 200M?
18:38:30<steering>I'm sure spectrum would happily sell me fiber up here if i wanted to pay for enterprise service
18:38:45<myself>I want to see the "knock it off" notice you get for saturating starlink 24/7
18:38:59<steering>for resi i have 400x10 and i mean they offer up to what
18:39:01<steering>960x30 or something
18:39:20<steering>I do care much more about download than upload, they're right about that :P
18:39:51<steering>... huh
18:40:11<myself>I'm on wideopenwest's slowest business-class tier, 30/5 for $30 with no caps, it was plenty until mildom came along...
18:40:12<steering>I can apparently upgrade to "1Gbps" (which again i'm pretty sure is actually 960 lol) for only +$20/mo
18:40:19<DigitalDragons>$bignumber/10 always hurts a little though
18:40:45<steering>1046x40 according to the broadband label
18:40:57<steering>also, "typical latency: 20ms"
18:41:05<steering>64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=114 time=65.3 ms
18:41:10<nukke>oof
18:41:45<nukke>64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=18.3 ms
18:41:52<steering>it takes 44ms just to get out of Montana :'(
18:43:24<DigitalDragons>Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=116
18:43:41<steering>yeah, it's like 8-12ms from every ISP I ever had in Austin
18:44:28<DigitalDragons>wideopenwest (residential) for me
18:44:34<steering>short hop a couple hundred miles to dallas: 8ms
18:44:56<steering>short hop a couple hundred miles to billings: 25ms
18:44:59<steering>yay spectrum!
18:45:24<DigitalDragons>i also find it's fun to run speedtests to various distant servers
18:46:09<steering>oh, wow, 8.8.8.8 is apparently 40ms from the office's Spectrum connection, too
18:46:42<steering>PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) from <spectrum>: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=58 time=41.917 m
18:46:49<nicolas17>DigitalDragons: I have had a few times where everything "felt slow" but speedtest said it was fine
18:47:01<nicolas17>then I ran speedtest against a distant server and the speed was shit
18:47:01<steering>PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) from <AT&T>: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=7.726 ms
18:47:29<steering>PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) from <Astound>: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=120 time=6.123 ms
18:47:31<nicolas17>then it turned out there was a massive outage in argentina's international link
18:47:33<steering>gg Spectrum
18:48:45<DigitalDragons>my dns server has the best ping though: 64 bytes from unifi.localdomain (192.168.1.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.256 ms
18:49:11<steering>oh my DNS server is even further away, cuz it's on one of my VPS... in Dallas...
18:49:18<nicolas17>64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=116 time=11.4 ms
18:50:06<steering>;; Query time: 116 msec
18:50:23<steering>for an answer that is in my resolver's own config...
18:51:07<steering>but don't worry DigitalDragons my work's DNS server has better ping for you, 0.173!
18:51:13<that_lurker>hmm 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=8 ttl=58 time=3.93 ms
18:51:50<steering>that_lurker: oh wow
18:52:01<DigitalDragons>dangit
18:52:08<DigitalDragons>maybe I need some shorter ethernet runs
18:52:15<steering>lol, probably
18:52:35<steering>that ping at work is going through like two switches and to a crappy cheap chinese fanless unit with a fan bolted on the outside running pfsense
18:52:38<that_lurker>hmm seems like bottleneck is somewhere form my router to twelve99 and from there its 1ms to dns.google
18:53:08<steering>ewqhdqekfdh dont talk to me about twelve99 :P
18:53:11<steering>suckage
18:53:34<DigitalDragons>mine's just one switch and several feet of ethernet
18:53:51<steering>(IDK if it's actually an AT&T issue or 1299 issue but we keep having problems on routes through them at work)
18:54:00<steering>hah yeah several hundred feet will do it
18:56:13<DigitalDragons>haven't measured the distance, it isn't a horribly long run but it isn't particularly short either
18:56:38<that_lurker>Tracing route to dns.google [8.8.8.8]
18:56:40<that_lurker>over a maximum of 30 hops:
18:56:42<that_lurker> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.0.40.1
18:56:44<that_lurker> 2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms HeyThisIsMe :-P
18:56:45TheTechRobo is also behind CGNAT
18:56:46<that_lurker> 3 * * * Request timed out.
18:56:48<that_lurker> 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms hls-b4-link.ip.twelve99.net [62.115.143.50]
18:56:50<that_lurker> 5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms hls-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net [62.115.122.146]
18:56:52<that_lurker> 6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 142.250.167.122
18:56:54<that_lurker> 7 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 142.251.53.59
18:56:56<that_lurker> 8 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 142.250.227.87
18:56:58<that_lurker> 9 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms dns.google [8.8.8.8]
18:57:00<that_lurker>Trace complete.
18:57:24<that_lurker>steering: Look whats there :-P
19:00:23<steering>So glad I've never had to deal with CGNAT
19:00:26<DigitalDragons>lol, i have less hops to #wikibot than 8.8.8.8
19:00:28<DigitalDragons>still slightly slower though
19:00:48<steering>I do forward some stuff to myself from a VPS but that's just to avoid publishing my IP, not because I *can't* port forward
19:02:46<DigitalDragons>I tend to end up cloudflare > vps > home_ip:1234 on things sometimes
19:08:08<nicolas17>steering: I know people who are not behind CGNAT but don't have access to configure port forwards on the ISP-provided router
19:08:21<nicolas17>(modem+router)
19:09:22<nicolas17>and there were tedious tricks like unplugging the coax from the modem, factory-resetting, logging in, configuring the port forwards the way you want them, then plugging in the coax cable, at which point the ISP pushes down the config for "don't let users access config" but your configured forwards remain
19:09:48<nicolas17>I never had to deal with that crap myself
19:09:57<DigitalDragons>ISP routers--
19:09:58<eggdrop>[karma] 'ISP routers' now has -1 karma!
19:10:00<nicolas17>192.168.0.1 and off it goes
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19:21:24<steering>nicolas17: don't worry - the login is probably still something like "mso"/"suddenlink" or "admin/T!m3W4rn3rC4bl3"
19:21:31<steering>wait sorry
19:21:35<steering>nicolas17: don't worry - the login is probably still something like "mso"/"suddenlink" or "technician/T!m3W4rn3rC4bl3"
19:22:23<steering>you can't log in to Spectrum's routers anymore but they have port forwarding in the mobile app
19:23:00<steering>(which really sucked when they started rolling them out to businesses, but business accounts didn't have access to that option)
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19:25:56<that_lurker>do you have to use spectrum's router or can you just use your own (maybe with mac clone)?
19:33:49<steering>you can use your own, the modem is separate these days
19:34:22<steering>(until several years ago they were all combined modem/router but you could still put them all into bridge mode)
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23:22:14<@JAA>Hope nobody needed Python today, because the downloads are all 403ing. :-)
23:23:03<nicolas17>surely someone must have archived it
23:23:22<@JAA>the 3.13.0 downloads*
23:23:59<nicolas17>I edited the URL to 3.11.0 and it fails too
23:24:05<@JAA>Or maybe I was just too slow at testing other versions, because 3.13.0 works again now here.
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23:24:45Topic: Wanna bikeshed about the topic? | We can't be back on our bullshit if we were never off our bullshit FOREHEADTAP.GIF
23:24:45Topic set by Fusl at 2019-09-06 21:43:25Z
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23:24:51<nicolas17>working now
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23:36:28<@JAA>It was an accidentally excessive DDoS mitigation.
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