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00:26:44<steering>yeah, it's definitely yenc, but I don't pretend to know details about that
00:27:04<nulldata>fireonlive++
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00:27:11<steering>there's also the weird par2 checksum/repair stuff
00:28:16<steering>I'm not sure I've ever seen something actually be successfully repaired
00:30:37<steering>immibis: yeah, I honestly don't understand how they can afford the infrastructure they have with a small enough audience to not make it worthwhile for for the **AA to sue them out of existence
00:30:43<nicolas17>I never used usenet for that
00:31:30<steering>(yes, yes, "but they're just providing a service with theoretically legitimate uses" yeah and so were kazaa, napster, and various torrent sites)
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00:31:55<nicolas17>last year when archiveteam's testflight archive was taken down for legal reasons, but the torrents still worked, I xor'd together the 26 WARCs and saved it
00:32:04<nicolas17>so if one torrent dies I can recover it
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00:32:39<nicolas17>turns out the kids who were interested in lost apps from that archive are bad at data preservation and at keeping torrents seeded
00:33:16<nicolas17>most torrents were being seeded by 1 user who didn't connect again since last week so now more than half the torrents are dead :P
00:33:23<steering>par2 is apparently not just parity, its a more sophistimacated ECC. but it's like "hey i can recover if a file or two are damaged" and then 50/100 files are damaged
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00:33:47<nicolas17>yes, par2 uses reed-solomon stuff
00:33:50<nicolas17>and it's not per file but per block
00:34:06<steering>I mean, yes, but the scale stands :P
00:35:08<nicolas17>so if you generate 1 parity file with the intention to recover from 1 lost file
00:35:12<steering>I have to thank fireonlive for everything I ever learned about usenet and every tool I've ever used for 🏴‍☠️
00:35:13<nicolas17>and a dozen files get 1 bitflip each, you can probably recover everything anyway
00:35:15<steering>fireonlive++
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00:35:40<steering>I mean, when I say "damaged" they're usually just missing
00:35:47<steering>and it's usually really articles
00:36:03<nicolas17>yeah, like I said I'm not familiar with usenet for binary-file purposes
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00:36:19<nicolas17>I haven't used actual-usenet for anything actually
00:36:45<steering>Yeah, I like... set up a newsreader once or twice back in the ~late 00s
00:36:50<nicolas17>I only used private NNTP servers like https://news.povray.org/
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00:37:17<nicolas17>and Gmane (bridge between open source mailing lists and NNTP)
00:37:26<steering>but my only real experience with usenet is through the nice helping hands of sabnzbd and nzbget
00:38:04<steering>which handle all of the decoding, extraction, checking, etc for you
00:38:43<nicolas17>imo one big thing missing from NNTP as a frontend to forums is keeping the 'read' status synced across devices, which was certainly not a concern when NNTP was invented (wdym you read the newsgroup from multiple computers?)
00:39:23<steering>I'm sure there's something out there for it
00:39:54<immibis>steering: that's why there are only like 3 providers
00:40:10<steering>immibis: even so
00:40:27<steering>I should've applied at giganews more often xP
00:41:53<immibis>nicolas17: most internet archive torrents are not well seeded if at all
00:42:30<nicolas17>immibis: well, when they were taken down there was a call to action to "if you already downloaded the warcs before IA took them down, seed the torrents!"
00:42:47<immibis>nobody downloads warcs from internet archive either
00:42:51<nicolas17>and they all got seeded *then*, save for one or two torrents where we lost the metadata files but the main warc survived
00:43:19<nicolas17>I got all the warcs via torrents to do the xor thing
00:43:19<steering>nicolas17: most of those were probably people yeeting to their seedbox, but can't live there forever :P
00:43:31<nicolas17>but *now* most are dead
00:43:55<nicolas17>there's 3 where there's someone with a partial file
00:44:01<immibis>you want to save the internet archive? #internetarchive.bak (dead project)
00:44:06<nicolas17>37% of one, 15% of another
00:44:13<nicolas17>and seeding that at 5KB/s
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02:12:28<tzt>IA has 7.7 TB of text usenet https://archive.org/details/usenet
02:25:58<@OrIdow6>Does remind me that I want to figure out where that independent Usenet "archive" that popped up a few years ago got its stuff
02:26:08<@OrIdow6>Some things there the IA collection doesn't have AFAICT
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02:55:46<tzt>OrIdow6: https://old.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/in6u06/free_usenet_text_archive_goes_online_300_million/g45n2rz/ seems like its the ones on IA + another provider?
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04:37:10<steering>https://old.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/in6u06/free_usenet_text_archive_goes_online_300_million/g8u10ru/ neat
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05:31:30<steering>ice bucket challenge is 10 years old.....
05:32:42<nicolas17>I recently learned about "one finger challenge" (nsfw), apparently it was a trend a year or two ago and it's dead by now though
05:32:56<@JAA>steering: No, it's not. >:-(
05:36:49<that_lurker>nicolas17: Time to make the "one punch challenge"
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05:48:31<steering>JAA: my exact reaction
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09:04:37<that_lurker>-feed- Google Claims World First as AI Finds 0-Day Security Vulnerability https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/11/04/google-claims-world-first-as-ai-finds-0-day-security-vulnerability/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42049263
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10:22:25<steering>looking back at screenshots of me on irc 10+ years ago... *shudders*
10:22:46<steering>fireonlive++
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10:22:52<steering>comfy grass++
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11:29:59<ymgve_>I guess this might be hard to archive in any usable format, but https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/4/24287857/netflix-removing-interactive-titles-games
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15:43:34<IDK>does anyone have any experience with hivelocity? have a server sitting with them, don't know how they will react to intense URL scraping
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15:43:51<IDK>*#//
15:44:03<IDK>web scraping I mean
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16:51:27<nstrom|m>I have one server through easyvm.net that was in hivelocity's Staten island datacenter and using their transit, no experience w hv directly
16:52:03<nstrom|m>For that one I did get an abuse report forwarded after running urls, so I stopped running urls on that one
16:52:28<nstrom|m>That's probably not useful info but it's all I got lol
16:54:13<nstrom|m>Easyvm has since switched to using GSL DDoS protection for transit as well
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17:05:53<IDK>yeah it looks like they want their IP ranges clean
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19:12:44<alexlehm>Badersnatch was great
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20:32:00<Harzilein>ymgve_!
20:32:06<Harzilein>long time no see :)
20:32:41<ymgve_>so long I forget who you are, sorry
20:34:07<ymgve_>I see there are Bandersnatch downloads on piratebay, I wonder if the mkv container format allows you to do choices like that or it's just either the main path or all the scenes in some random order
20:41:37<Harzilein>ymgve_: weren't you around in #c-64?
20:41:59<Harzilein>ircnet #c-64*
20:42:01<ymgve_>I'm always lurking
20:42:05<Harzilein>:)
20:44:52<nicolas17>ymgve_: even if mkv allows that, then someone had to manually re-create the logic...
20:45:11<nicolas17>but it wouldn't surprise me if mkv does allow that for feature parity with DVDs or something
20:45:13<ymgve_>nicolas17: I assume the logic is encoded in some xml or json
20:46:16<ymgve_>on netflix's side, I mean
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22:50:56<Barto>question. I know archive.org cares about the presidential campaign and will work on adding the various administrative/campaign websites. Where does AT come into play? Do we have contact with archive.org for better coordination?
22:55:13<nicolas17>Barto: a *lot* of election-related stuff is being archived via archivebot
22:55:33<nicolas17>but as far as I know, being kept in archiveteam's own storage until archive.org starts accepting uploads
22:56:44<Barto>sure, AB can archive a lot, but we know the other team may archive the same website set, or maybe not. How can we better sync?
23:02:28<nicolas17>are you worrying about "what if we archive too much" :D
23:03:03<Barto>not exactly, but more on the side of "we're duplicating work where we could have spent labor elsewhere"
23:03:35<Barto>reminds me about https://blog.archive.org/2024/08/13/listen-new-politico-tech-podcast-episode-out-meet-the-man-archiving-bidens-presidency/ - https://podtail.com/podcast/politico-dispatch/meet-the-man-archiving-biden-s-presidency/
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