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04:26:43<steering>https://minecraft.wiki/w/Minecraft_Wiki:Indie_Wiki_Buddy that's cool
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04:38:42<that_lurker>just because I always forget to read that site :-P
04:46:36<steering>ayyyyyyy thanks
04:48:06<pabs>me too :)
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04:49:52pabs slurps https://getindie.wiki/listings/ into his #wikibot bulk command todo :)
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06:54:09<steering>I would've sent this to fireonlive about a million times by now so y'all get it instead: efhkfhresfqkjhesfkjlwehfljeqwhfljwehfkjleWHFKWEJHFhrhgjerhgwjkrhgwj - that is all.
06:54:20<steering>who knew that buying a house is means making a ton of stressful decisions /s
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17:20:56<@JAA>Barto: Right, I had some, too. I couldn't see any stars in that direction either though.
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19:14:49<steering>https://clintonwhitehouse4.archives.gov/WH/EOP/VP_Wife/index.html the web was so much better then xD
19:22:07<IDK>yes, I would also very much like to have a 100tb hdd lying around
19:22:30<IDK>to fit 99 petabytes of data into it
19:22:49<nicolas17>I think 100TB SSDs exist
19:22:57<nicolas17>with awful $/TB
19:23:21<@JAA>Nimbus Data Exadrive, yeah
19:23:26<steering>I would also very much like to be able to fit IA onto a 100TB HDD
19:24:01<@JAA>No official pricing info, but apparently it costed around $40k when it was introduced.
19:24:09<IDK>which would be 400$/tb
19:24:18<nicolas17>what is the advantage of that SSD supposed to be?
19:24:35<nicolas17>capacity per physical size / power consumption?
19:24:36<@JAA>It's SATA and literally so big that you can't wear out the flash within the warranty period because the interface limits you.
19:24:46<steering>lmao
19:24:54<nicolas17>>SATA
19:25:06<steering>>ExaDrive DC SSDs provide the ideal balance of density, performance, and endurance for a broad range of IO-intensive workloads
19:25:06<@JAA>So you get an 'unlimited endurance' and a 5-year warranty. :-)
19:25:11<steering>>IO-intensive
19:25:12<steering>>SATA
19:25:27<IDK>you mean unlimited endurance*
19:25:34<@JAA>No asterisk there.
19:25:35<IDK>and a 5-year warranty*
19:25:45<@JAA>Yeah, probably one there.
19:26:00<steering>hmm, wait, wbm is down again?
19:26:02<@JAA>Excluding the usual things like intentional destruction and negligent acts.
19:26:36<IDK>its been going up and down for the past 3 days
19:26:54<steering>they used to have a /pricing/ url https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/16bsknd/comment/jzjss9s/
19:27:11<nicolas17>monika's status page says wbm is up, but it's down for me
19:27:33<steering>prolly considers it up bc 200
19:28:01<@JAA>Huh
19:28:03<steering>web.archive.org: Archive-It and blog.archive.org resumed. Other Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
19:28:17<steering>archive.org: Wayback Machine, Archive-It and blog.archive.org resumed. Other Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
19:28:20<steering>lol
19:28:21<@JAA>> www.reddit.com
19:28:22<@JAA>lol
19:28:47<IDK>https://web-beta.archive.org/save/ used to have near 100% uptime before this attack, sadly now its patched
19:29:48<IDK>weirdly they never put the /save/ behind any sort of auth
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19:51:01<Barto>more about the russian eviction in the maintainers of the kernel https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/
19:59:29<f_>Disappointing.
20:01:20<steering>rip lore.kernel.org
20:01:28<steering>500, 503, 502, connection timeout \o/
20:02:08<nicolas17>"if you don't know the reasons then I'm not going to explain them to you"
20:02:28<steering>yeah
20:02:29<steering>>It's entirely clear why the change was done
20:02:36<steering>then why can't anyone say why it was done...
20:02:58<steering>>using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to
20:03:05<steering>>"grass root" it by Russian troll factories
20:03:06steering sighs
20:03:59<Barto>yeah, not the best explanation i agree
20:04:13<steering>also, tfw linus uses gmail
20:04:18<steering>(or google workspace probably)
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20:21:23<f_>steering: Hmm..
20:21:37<f_>gregkh has a LF email and it came from smtp.kernel.org
20:22:01<f_>"Linus"'s email came from mail-ej1-f53.google.com
20:22:29<f_>oh I guess it's a mapping or something
20:23:55<immibis>steering: if you're not busy it is now your job to figure out how to publicly replicate mailing list archives (this should be unironically done with a blockchain)
20:24:12<immibis>now that I've called it out it's also my job to do so
20:24:17<steering>thankfully the post Barto linked is on archive.ph
20:24:34<steering>however ther'es also a bunch of replies to it (including another reply from linus) that i havem't seen yet
20:24:45<steering>oh l.k.o is back now
20:25:03<@rewby>steering: lol @ the people wanting a fin to have sympathy for russians
20:25:13<steering>f_: the message-id on linus's email is mail.gmail.com which im pretty sure comes from gmail web
20:25:35<@rewby>They should mayhaps look up the origin story of the molotov cocktail
20:25:55<f_>rewby: We're talking about fine russian people, not Russia
20:25:59<steering>even if you use smtp.gmail.com I don't think it rewrites the message-id (unless your mail client doesn't include one at all probably)
20:26:03<f_>I know some of the people that got deleted
20:26:18<steering>(IDK, all my sending uses smtp-relay.gmail.com so I can't readily check)
20:26:20<f_>one of them is involved in postmarketOS, in fact
20:26:38<steering>rewby: yeah, I didn't expect any other outcome tbh
20:26:42<@rewby>I'm not saying the individuals are guilty of anything. Just that I am not surprised to see this stance from a finnish person
20:27:04<f_>ok then I misread
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20:27:22<f_>I expected something better or professional
20:27:23<@JAA>I am surprised to see it now, 2.5 years after the invasion. But his second reply indicates something lawyery is involved.
20:27:42<Barto>agree with rewby, plus keep in mind that the Baikal CPU, a MIPS Russian CPU, is something state sponsored
20:27:56<nicolas17>was it so hard to say "something lawyery is involved" instead of "just look at the news and you'll see russia invaded ukraine"
20:28:01<@rewby>f_: "expected something more professional" Have you ever seen a Linus mail?
20:28:08<@rewby>They're all like this
20:28:08<Barto>prolly they tried not to position themselves for the longest time possible
20:28:10<@rewby>Or worse
20:28:13<f_>Not necessarily coming from linus
20:28:34<f_>I have seen a Linus mail before
20:29:15<steering>https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241023080935.2945-2-kexybiscuit@aosc.io/
20:29:33<steering>I actually like this though. Very concisely points out exactyl what I think was wrong with the way it was done.
20:30:06<steering>(I will neither agree nor disagree with the actual action of removing the maintainers, but I definitely disagree strongly with just quietly and vaguely slipping it in)
20:30:13<@JAA>TIL the mirroring instructions reference a Git repo on Tor, interesting: https://lore.kernel.org/all/_/text/mirror/
20:31:11<nicolas17>steering: I like this one https://lore.kernel.org/all/e25fb178-39fa-4b75-bdc8-a2ec5a7a1bf6@typeblog.net/
20:31:17<steering>rewby: to be fair Linus has restrained himself more than he used to :P
20:31:32<@rewby>steering: Oh yeah. I remember the Old Linux
20:31:35<@rewby>*Linus
20:31:40<@rewby>That was always a popcorn event
20:31:57<@rewby>Linus v NVIDIA was always good fun
20:32:26<steering>nicolas17: yeah, I read that one because of Linus's reply to it of course, it's longer though
20:32:46<steering>:P
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20:39:08<Barto>you know, in the end it is Linus' tree that is the golden standard
20:39:56<f_>What do you mean it's no longer?
20:40:11<steering>there was no "no"
20:40:21<f_>misread sorry
20:40:25<steering>:)
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20:40:37<f_>Need to archive all that though
20:40:54<f_>Thing is going down every one in a few minutes
20:40:55<f_>502 Bad Gateway
20:42:27<steering>yeah
20:42:36<@rewby>IIRC some of the drives in at-rsync3 are re-used from lore.
20:42:39<steering>I'm sure there's another mirror somewhere
20:42:58<@JAA>Oh, neat
20:43:06<steering>/someone subscribed to the lists re-publishing the emails
20:43:13<@rewby>Might be thinking of another box
20:43:18<@rewby>I know it's majorily netflix-trash drives now
20:46:52<steering>https://lore.kernel.org/all/dc3df94f-7281-4a42-8db1-ee4f556b3d6f@mailbox.org/ I also like htis one, lol
20:47:18<steering>Anyone with a non-european name: *says something*
20:47:21<steering>Everyone else: omg paid troll!
20:49:35<f_>I have a non-european name so I'm a paid troll™
20:49:49<steering>JAA: I think the git clone over tor is just the code?
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20:50:30<steering>I wonder how much volume the mailing lists are
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20:52:28<@JAA>steering: I believe public-inbox does store the mailing list contents in a Git repo. Not sure whether that's the one though.
20:52:37<@JAA>Or maybe it's one repo per list or something.
20:52:48<f_>yes p-i stores stuff in a git repo.
20:53:46<steering>it just says
20:53:46<steering>AGPL code for this site:
20:53:49<steering>above it so... xD
20:53:56<steering>I'm too lazy to go figure out how to make git work over tor
20:54:06<f_>torsocks git ...
20:54:18<steering>fine lemme rephrase
20:54:27<steering>I'm too lazy to go install something since all i have is tor browser
20:55:10<steering>i imagine i could just tell git --proxy or http_proxy= or something but then I'd still have to install tor
20:55:27<katia>i think tor browser opens a port on 127.0.0.1 that you can use with torsocks or whatev?
20:55:36<steering>oh, does it? hmm
20:55:37<katia>or :: i should say.
20:55:55<katia>or is it [::]
20:56:05<steering>also it works in a web browser anyway
20:56:07<@JAA>::1?
20:56:18<steering>does look like just the code
20:56:27<katia>yes ::1
20:56:28<steering>in fact i think its identical to https://public-inbox.org/public-inbox.git
20:56:30<katia>IPv6 is hard++
20:56:31<eggdrop>[karma] 'IPv6 is hard' now has 4 karma!
20:56:35<@rewby>in6addr_any
20:58:07<@JAA>Ah, it's because that link went to /all/.
20:58:13<@JAA>https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/_/text/mirror/
20:58:44<@JAA>/all/ is a merger of all individual lists.
20:59:00<@JAA>So that's just presentation and doesn't have its own repo.
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22:30:23<pabs>more on the Linux/Russia thing https://fosstodon.org/@kernellogger/113358289689604764
22:31:44<steering>>The people removed from maintainer positions were identified as employed by companies on the US and EU sanctions list.
22:32:01<steering>if that's so, I'm not sure why it's difficult for them to say so *shrug*
22:32:30<pabs>the thread mentions something something NDAs
22:33:01<pabs>but yeah super vague, Linux folks tend to be that way about private-ish things like security issues too
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22:33:50<pabs>I'm surprised they didn't remove support for the hardware produced by the problematic companies
22:33:54<steering>no, the thread says they arfe *not* under any NDA but just don't feel like it.
22:34:09<pabs>hm?
22:34:20<steering>https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wjw0i-95S_3Wgk+rGu0TUs8r1jVyBv0L8qfsz+TJR8XTQ@mail.gmail.com/
22:34:25<pabs>ah
22:34:29<steering>linus's 2nd response
22:35:53<pabs>pabs--
22:35:53<eggdrop>[karma] self karma is a selfish pursuit.
22:36:01<pabs>reading the full thread++
22:36:02<eggdrop>[karma] 'reading the full thread' now has 1 karma!
22:44:57<Barto>Ryabitsev's screenshot makes more sense
22:45:16<Barto>and that dude is to be trusted, he's the infra guy for the kernel.org website
22:45:56<Barto>probably Linus is somewhat annoyed by all that shenanigans, and does not want to get the lawyers into the kernel too much
22:45:58<pabs>link?
22:46:09<Barto>pabs: https://cdn.fosstodon.org/media_attachments/files/113/358/403/955/619/994/original/55ad51c831e65031.png
22:46:15<Barto>from your own link
22:46:34<pabs>ah. I'm using a command-line non-JS client, so I don't see images
22:47:09<nicolas17>nerd
22:47:18<steering>It's also the linked post in it
22:47:28<Barto>pabs: do you email those pages to yourself just like rms does? :p
22:47:38<pabs>nope :)
22:47:52<Barto>eh eh eh
22:47:53<pabs>I'm using https://github.com/jwilk/zygolophodon
22:47:55<steering>I have... significant issues with implying that anyone who works for a Russian company that helps the Russian government (which is basically 100% of Russian companies since the alternative is jail) is a war criminal also, lol
22:48:34<pabs>and I'm modifying zygolophodon to be able to emit API/etc URLs for archiving, since mastodon sucks for that
22:48:48<Barto>steering: or you get to jail/gulag, just like Navalny
22:50:00<Barto>steering: remember their elections? If you were working for the state you had the choice of either loosing your job, either voting Putin
22:50:02<steering>Any time I see someone say stuff like that I just go "oh, so you think we should issue residence and work permits to any Russians who would like to move away, right?"
22:50:48<Barto>steering: i know... i'm thinking about the same. Problem is that their spy network is wide
22:51:13<steering>Yeah, I mean, there's no good answer for anyone
22:51:22<Barto>that's the issue :(
22:51:42<Barto>I'm lucky to be in CH, but damn Geneva is one heck of a spy nest
22:53:30<Barto>i'm not living in Geneva; if anyone wondered
22:53:48<steering>Meanwhile of course if we actually judged citizens of every country for their country's issues... I mean, I'm in the US
22:53:48nicolas17 cancels airstrike
22:54:14<steering>We're not really in a position to be looking down at Russia ourselves
22:54:53<steering>(and AFAIK Linus also lives in the US, so, LOL)
22:55:02<nicolas17>steering: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/9/11/debate-in-nuclear-armed-former-colony-fails-to-reassure-global-community
22:55:24<steering>lmao
22:55:50<steering>yeah, exactly
22:56:11<steering>(and meanwhile most Americans call al jazeera propaganda for stuff like that)
22:56:13<@JAA>Yeah, that article made me wonder when Al Jazeera bought The Onion.
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22:56:49<pabs>https://typeblog.net/55833/getting-called-paid-actor-by-linus-torvalds https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41929585
22:57:28<steering>ahahahahahaha
23:21:14<steering>why are topographical maps such a pain to read xD
23:21:58<steering>surely there's a map out there on the web that just translates elevation into color or something right
23:26:29<@JAA>Monkey's paw curls. You now have a map where elevation is plotted using the jet colourmap.
23:37:57<steering>see that would be a lot more useful
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23:38:29<steering>my problem with topo maps is that it's often difficult to figure out which side of the line is "up"
23:38:55<@JAA>Probably because the map sucks. Take a look at the Swiss topographical maps. :-)
23:39:17<@JAA>It's quite intuitive due to shading etc.
23:40:06<@JAA>https://map.geo.admin.ch/
23:40:15<steering>the modern USGS topo map https://apps.nationalmap.gov/viewer/ seems decent-ish
23:40:38<steering>their older ones - which were all designed as cheaply printed paper maps - kinda sucked
23:42:07<steering>also lol @ the largest scale is 1:10,000
23:43:01<@JAA>Hmm, can't load it right now, but I do remember the USGS maps being decent, yeah.
23:44:58<steering>here's a good example of how it can suck though https://i.imgur.com/Mhhoc3N.png
23:45:18<steering>you know it's all around 3400 but... that's it
23:45:53<@JAA>Ah, yeah
23:46:16<@JAA>You'd have some cues on the steeper slopes in the Swiss map.
23:46:49<steering>yeah, and if you look closely at this one there's some shading and some creeks that you can use to figure it out
23:47:21<@JAA>It might be a bit hard to find such a flat place in Switzerland though (that isn't covered with buildings).
23:48:33<steering>if you just mapped "altitudes present in the viewport" to colors it'd at least be a lot more obvious which direction, although some quantization would probably be nice too
23:48:50<@JAA>The thing is that colours are usually used for other information, such as land cover.
23:48:51<steering>also, hah! if you want flat lemme go find something in Kansas :P
23:49:27<steering>while true, I don't want any of that on a topo map!
23:49:49<steering>lol
23:49:58<@JAA>Oh yeah, and Switzerland also has datums *everywhere*. So unless you zoom in hard, you'll almost always have a few points in view with exact altitudes.
23:50:14<@JAA>Or well, not really datums, but precise measurement points.
23:50:25<steering>hmm
23:50:39<steering>i wonder if that's actually what these are
23:50:56<steering>https://i.imgur.com/go1nwt4.png
23:51:08<steering>the "Legend" button just says "no legend!" so i haven't bothered finding out what it means :D
23:51:49<steering>ah https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/TopographicMapSymbols/topomapsymbols.pdf
23:52:32<@JAA>Here's a similar example: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/zfFYM/ch_map.png
23:52:49<steering>hmm, looks like they use crosshairs and Xs for "principal points" and such
23:53:03<@JAA>Not a single contour is labeled (although the thick one in the top left will have a label somewhere), but the measurement points still tell you exactly what you're looking at.
23:53:30<@JAA>The little dot or x next to the number is where it's measured.
23:53:38<steering>apparently it is a "Gaging station"
23:53:54<steering>oh
23:53:54<steering>Gaging stations are facilities used by hydrologists to automatically monitor streams, wells, lakes, canals, reservoirs, or other water bodies.
23:56:17<@JAA>Oh, at the bottom left, immediately above the train station of Chénens, there's also a dip as indicated by the arrow.
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