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15:01:03<nulldata>https://x.com/WordPress/status/1847277503460565019
15:01:04<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/WordPress/status/1847277503460565019
15:05:41<nulldata>"The WordPress Foundation Board of Directors has made the unanimous decision to make a contribution of $100,000 to the Internet Archive."
15:15:54<immibis>(aka matt mullenweg, matt mullenweg and matt mullenweg)
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17:55:09<nulldata>Maybe Matt WordPress could make a donation to AT too for extra target space and pipes?
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18:29:55<steering>https://x.com/ViewFromTheBox/status/1847282371160133642 loooooooooool
18:29:55<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/ViewFromTheBox/status/1847282371160133642
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18:47:28<f_>Is it just me or does https://ma.tt/2024/10/on-dhh/ still work
18:48:04<f_>also yep weird that IA doesn't have it archived
18:49:05<f_>Oh, perhaps somethings are retracted... Ughhhhhh
18:50:41<@JAA>There's a copy somewhere in the AB upload backlog, I think.
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18:52:11<nulldata>It's not weird IA doesn't have it archived - this all took place while IA's infra has been down
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18:54:34<steering>f_: yeah, archive.today has the original though
18:54:51<f_>nulldata: Oh forgot
18:55:02<f_>well, might be worth archiving when IA does go back up
18:55:33<steering>https://archive.ph/UZZit
18:55:46<steering>but yeah no mystery why IA doesn't have it :D
18:57:39<f_>No mystery, just me with my very bad memory
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19:04:47<@JAA>So according to https://wordpressfoundation.org/news/2024/meeting-minutes/ , that $100k donation is 38% of their cash.
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19:14:07<@JAA>> WPF: donates a significant chunk of their cash to IA
19:14:27<@JAA>> Also WPF: low rate limits that are annoying for archiving them
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19:16:17<that_lurker>it almos like WPF is trying to buy good PR
19:30:12<immibis>makes sense if matt is trying to kill off wordpress. drain all the money out of the open source part.
19:30:43<immibis>steering: i heard there are THREE versions of the page, not 2
19:33:35<immibis>total size 992.165.663.607 bytes
19:34:46<immibis>wrong channel for that last message
19:43:59<steering>oh there's more than 3
19:44:03<DigitalDragons>"WP Community Support" which seems to do all of the actual work(?) still has a cool $2m though
19:44:18<steering>>David, perhaps it would be good to explore with a therapist or coach why you keep having these great ideas but cannot scale them beyond a handful of niche customers. I will give full credit and respect. 37signals inspired tons of what Automattic does! We’re now half a billion in revenue. Why are you still so small?
19:44:39<steering>he deleted that paragraph around 20-22 UTC ;)
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20:05:05<nulldata>Looks like https://www.cnn.com/ just launched a design change. Wonder if we're getting closer to the article limits being put into place - browsed around and haven't seen limits yet.
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20:59:42<nulldata>WordPress drama update: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.437474/gov.uscourts.cand.437474.17.0.pdf
21:01:00<nulldata>WPEngine is asking for an injunction
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22:11:26<nulldata>"WPE saw cancellation requests between September 26 and September 30 increase by 14% as compared to the average cancellation rate request in September prior to the wordpress.org block."
22:11:56<nulldata>"And there are signs that this is just the beginning—the data also show a 375% increase in customers that have installed tools that will allow them to migrate to another provider, even if they have not yet announced they are terminating WPE’s contract."
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22:13:52<steering>>customers that have installed tools that will allow them to migrate
22:14:07<steering>what a time to be alive, when your provider is just literally spying on you for their own metrics
22:14:10<steering>\o/
22:14:14<steering>(not that they're unique in that)
22:14:31<nulldata>Yeah...
22:14:49<nicolas17>well aren't they SaaS?
22:15:00<murb>steering: if they're offering a managed service, it isn't really spying, it is managing right?
22:15:13<nicolas17>how many people installed a certain plugin sounds like it's one query away
22:15:28<steering>murb: do they use it to make the service better? :)
22:15:52<steering>nicolas17: yes... it is both very typical and very easy for them
22:15:53<murb>steering: they probably use it to try and avoid making the service a lot worse due to hosting being compromised etc etc.
22:15:59<murb>it is running on php after all.
22:16:05<steering>lmao
22:16:10<steering>that's a good point
22:16:30<nulldata>I assume they use the metrics to know which plugins they should ensure compatibility with
22:17:07<steering>I assume they use it to optimize exactly how crappy they can make their service to make the most profit
22:17:18<steering>>_>
22:17:25<steering>joking-not-joking
22:17:57<nicolas17>recent actions of Matt Wordpress have made me root for WPEngine tbh
22:18:39<nulldata>Though in this instance they're more than likely using it as a flag to know which customers to reach out to and try to convince them to stay.
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22:24:44<nulldata>Yeah - if Matt had rolled things out more slowly and given proper public notice I would have generally been on board with calling them out and eventual blocking of WP.org update access. Commandeering ACF though was way too far.
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22:35:00<TheTechRobo>I still don't really understand what exactly Matt is complaining about. His original complaint was that they removed revision history, right? That seems pretty benign
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22:36:27<nulldata>No, that's just the bullshit excuse he gave to justify saying WPEngine is not selling "true WordPress".
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22:37:20<nulldata>His complaint is WPEngine is making a lot of money and isn't "giving back enough" to the community.
22:37:40<murb>giving enough back to himself?
22:37:52<murb>'cos he no longer gets a dividend having sold them
22:43:11<nulldata>Yeah Automattic owned some portion of WPEngine long ago. I dunno how much they owned though. If it was small they might have had a choice to sell their portion or not.
22:49:54<nicolas17>...is autoMATTic named after himself?
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23:20:29<nulldata>Natually.
23:20:43<nulldata>Naturally.*
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