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00:02:42<immibis>datechnoman: you just need some more telegram workers or that person has some special sauce?
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00:15:16<steering>efi: yes but now there are only 2-3 choices that anyone cares about and they work together instead of MS-esque competition so it's easy to have standardized solutions for anything :)
00:16:46<steering>also, surely giving websites access to the OS's AI model won't ever turn out to be a problem
00:22:58<datechnoman>immibis - that special someone has access to an ISP IP range
00:55:55<immibis>i bet there's a few people around who have /24s as well (which is not ISP size, not without CGNAT anyway)
00:59:59<steering>I want a /24. We could even make decent use of it but my boss said no :'(
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01:05:20<immibis>well you can't get one now, but there are a surprising (to me) amount of individuals who've had one for a while to experiment with
01:05:55<immibis>(you can get one from a hosting provider, that has a valid justification to own /16s or bigger, for an exorbitant monthly fee)
01:06:23<immibis>(and you need a RIR-valid justification to rent it from them)
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01:17:27<nicolas17>a friend registered a shell company and got an AS and IPv6 range
01:17:31<nicolas17>no IPv4 though
01:17:50<nicolas17>the whois description says "welcome to our ASN uwu"
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01:43:07<steering>immibis: you can buy one from someone else, but yes
01:46:01<steering>arin "only" has two years of backlog on their ipv4 waiting list now :D
01:46:35<steering>(https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/waiting_list/)
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01:59:30<nicolas17>https://twitter.com/shaohua0116/status/1823392923104563231
01:59:30<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/shaohua0116/status/1823392923104563231
01:59:32<nicolas17>https://twitter.com/thegautamkamath/status/1823517541664506336
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12:02:15<immibis>nicolas17: you don't even need a company for that. Idk about your region but RIPE is happy to assign those to individuals.
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12:02:58<immibis>there's tons of networking hobbyists here. Look at fog-IX's peering list on PeeringDB
12:04:31<immibis>i was researching this because I wanted a colo server connected directly to an IX for some project, though it seems the benefit/cost ratio of that is less than 1.0 at the moment so it won't be doing it
12:06:43<immibis>cost is like, an order of magnitude lower than I thought, but still too high to justify
12:08:07<immibis>it's kinda interesting to see how the Internet is physically connected. If you want a really fast internet connection to *one specific company* you can put your servers close on the network to their servers, like on the same IX, and pay much much less to get a good speed between you and them, than you'd have to pay for general Internet access
12:13:05<immibis>you can also get a connection between two fixed locations. I was quoted 7000€/month for 100Gbps over 600km, between two major centers
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15:32:05<katia_>nukke, please keep ipv6 enabled on your windows stuff and help adoptance of new internet standards by enabling it on 3 more today
15:37:05<nukke>thank you for the tip
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15:51:37<Barto>what is the complexity of buying a good ipv6 range and routing it to your home? That'd help getting through simple ip bans
15:51:51<Barto>(considering no ipv6 -> ipv4 hop is used...)
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16:05:45<nukke>https://x.com/Stats_Sig/status/1823456858792739024
16:05:46<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/Stats_Sig/status/1823456858792739024
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16:27:56<nicolas17>Backblaze just posted an article on its blog like "IPv6 is the future"
16:28:17<nicolas17>no it's not the future, IPv6 is the present, it was standardized in 1998, you're just late like everyone else
16:28:25<@JAA>It has been the future for, uh, 25-ish years.
16:29:22<nicolas17>when a politician says "new technologies" to refer to the Internet
16:30:52<@JAA>For the Germans: 'Neuland'
16:33:50<nicolas17>https://www.backblaze.com/blog/proper-address-ipv4-vs-ipv6/
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17:25:27<Barto>https://torrentfreak.com/popular-shadow-library-libgen-breaks-down-amidst-legal-troubles-240814/
17:41:39<nukke>fuuuuuuuuuuuck
18:28:09<immibis>update your windows systems right now if you don't want to be hacked
18:29:22<immibis>they found a way to hack any windows system (any version) over the internet without you having to click on anything
18:31:53<nukke>which CVE was that?
18:33:19<@JAA>CVE-2024-38063
18:36:56<nukke>holy macaroni, that sounds bad
18:37:21Barto laughs in linux
18:39:26<nukke>linux barely supports ipv4, let alone ipv6
18:48:51<immibis>cve 2024 38063
18:49:15<immibis>nukke: idk if you're joking - more routers run linux than windows
18:49:20<steering>so i'm adding a general ipv6 block rule at work
18:49:26<immibis>i have like 20 network namespaces
18:49:45<immibis>and multiple copies of bird2
18:50:16<immibis>nicolas17: the majority of internet traffic is IPv6
18:50:27<@JAA>I wonder whether Linux has support for more obscure versions, like IPv5 or IPv7.
18:50:51<immibis>if so, it would be an out-of-tree module or patchset
18:50:56<@JAA>Yeah, likely.
18:51:28<immibis>mainstream linux supports what mainstream linux supports. not-mainstream linux *can* be made to support almost anything, that's how we get linux running on toasters and the like, but someone has to actually do it, and it rarely gets into the mainline kernel unless it's actually useful
18:51:58<immibis>steering: you could also update
18:52:20<@JAA><both.mp4>
18:52:24<immibis>JAA: also remember that anything that isn't widely deployed on the internet is basically Not Standardized and different networks might have different interpretations of how they should work
18:53:01<immibis>like multicast, there's any-source multicast and selective-source multicast, and they are not compatible, and different networks use different ones. ASM is now deprecated and SSM is the new recommendation, but it's not really "standard standard" until it works on the whole internet, which it never will.
18:53:04<@JAA>immibis: Yes. At least IPv7 has an actual RFC though.
18:53:27<@JAA>It's just that it's entirely obsolete.
18:53:52<immibis>4 and 6 are the deployed version numbers. All experiments that may have used other numbers have remained experiments, so those numbers are available for reassignment.
18:55:16<immibis>on ethernets (that is a correct use of a plural), the ip version field is redundant anyway
19:04:27<steering>immibis: yes, but updating and confirming the update takes longer than blocking ipv6
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19:07:33<steering>don't worry, I can milk plenty of paid work time out of making sure everything is updated and I will! :P
19:08:05<steering>(oh wait I don't get paid more if I work more 😭)
19:08:39<steering>(why is that emoji called "loudly crying face"??? how is a picture loud?)
19:10:06<immibis>because it's a face of someone who's loudly crying, and that better not be a serious question
19:10:20<that_lurker>(;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)
19:20:11<steering>immibis: it wasn't, but I think it's a bit of a silly name, it doesn't evoke "loudly crying" to me... maybe "crying a river" :P
19:20:35<immibis>well i see a baby face with their mouth wide open
19:20:40<@JAA>I'm sure there's a 20-page document somewhere on unicode.org where they deliberated the exact naming.
19:20:49<immibis>maybe your font sucks
19:21:44<immibis>yeah might be an apple thing where they reinterpreted the emoji and all the other tiktok vendors followed. here I have a black and white font on a boomer-style computation box.
19:25:33<steering>immibis: https://emojipedia.org/loudly-crying-face#designs
19:25:56<steering>the non-emoji presentation is a biiiiiit more "loudly" to me I'll give you that
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23:23:50<@JAA>RIP GitHub
23:24:21<@JAA>https://www.githubstatus.com/incidents/kz4khcgdsfdv
23:26:42<@JAA>They should talk to Andrew Huang so they can replace the unicorn on the 'shit broke' page with Pink Fluffy Unicorns Dancing On Rainbows.
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23:42:02<Ryz>I was wondering why I couldn't get on the main page of GitHub, or any one of their stuff
23:42:12<Ryz>...Inb4 we decide to archive all of Github lol
23:47:33<nicolas17>https://web.archive.org/web/20211204133326/https://twitter.com/sadserver/status/523519779470991361
23:47:34<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/sadserver/status/523519779470991361

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