| 00:22:34 | <nukke> | https://proton.me/blog/proton-wallet-launch |
| 00:22:42 | <nukke> | Was this discussed already? |
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| 00:35:00 | <ymgve_> | why is it relevant? another dumb bitcoin wallet? |
| 00:36:05 | <Flashfire42> | because proton is usually considered pretty secure and privacy friendly |
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| 01:17:05 | <@JAA> | > Proton Wallet is a non-custodial wallet, and we utilize end-to-end encryption to ensure that we never have access to your Bitcoin, even when you are executing transactions via Proton Wallet. |
| 01:17:20 | <@JAA> | Ok, better than the competition, I guess. |
| 01:18:23 | <steering> | Proton Wallet is a self-custody wallet, meaning we use end-to-end encryption to ensure that you are the only one with access to your wallet's encryption keys. |
| 01:18:26 | <steering> | Our robust recovery methods mean you can never be locked out from your Bitcoin — not even by us. |
| 01:18:45 | <steering> | Umm... Ok |
| 01:18:45 | <hexa-> | non-custodial and self-custody, which is it? |
| 01:18:48 | <hexa-> | oh nvm |
| 01:19:01 | <hexa-> | they mean the same thing of course, you keep your coins yourself |
| 01:19:09 | <steering> | what I'm wondering is self-custody and you can't lose it |
| 01:19:34 | <@JAA> | > Proton Sentinel uses advanced machine learning and AI that’s analyzed millions of logins to detect and block malicious login attempts with high accuracy. |
| 01:19:39 | <hexa-> | nouuuuu |
| 01:19:41 | <@JAA> | Lovely |
| 01:20:00 | <@JAA> | *flashbacks to trying to log into an old Google account* |
| 01:20:20 | <steering> | I assume what they're saying is "we'll encrypt your keys (indirectly) with your passphrase and you can keep a copy too" or something |
| 01:37:41 | <hexa-> | ideall |
| 01:37:43 | <hexa-> | y |
| 01:37:50 | <hexa-> | but maybe that is what they want you to read into it |
| 02:07:59 | <steering> | I think even if my assumption is correct, they want people to read more into it - they want people to associate "recovery methods" and "can never be locked out" with "you can magically recover it if you forget your password" |
| 02:08:22 | <steering> | (which is hopefully *not* true) |
| 02:11:06 | <@JAA> | Not sure where you're getting that from. |
| 02:11:08 | <@JAA> | > Each wallet has a recovery seed phrase that’s only known to you (Proton never sees it). Even if Proton were to entirely disappear someday, you would still have access to the Bitcoin in your Proton wallet with your recovery phrase. |
| 02:13:11 | <@JAA> | I'm curious about the implementation details though. |
| 02:13:11 | <steering> | Ok, good. |
| 02:13:13 | <steering> | Wed@1918.23 < steering> Our robust recovery methods mean you can never be locked out from your Bitcoin — not even by us. |
| 02:14:14 | <steering> | recovery methods, int he context of a web service, generally refers to regaining access to that service if you forgot your password, right? |
| 02:15:54 | <steering> | For example I was "locked out" of a Google account (which has been deleted many times over now, RIP google apps free) because I had no "recovery methods"... sometimes businesses like to say intentionally things that are true but can also be misinterpreted in beneficial ways... |
| 02:16:38 | <hexa-> | ok, but at that point you can just use metamask or the coinbase wallet |
| 02:17:09 | <hexa-> | and yes, I'm ashamed that I know these things |
| 02:22:48 | <@JAA> | I'm guessing they use the same core principles as with emails, which I'm not sure how it works either. |
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| 02:23:29 | <@JAA> | They claim that emails get encrypted as they're received (if they're not 'end-to-end encrypted' from the start when communicating within Proton). |
| 02:23:59 | <@JAA> | But they need to decrypt them when you want to read them, obviously. I assume you just log in with a regular username/email + password, and then it gets decrypted on-the-fly. |
| 02:24:28 | <@JAA> | That's how Riseup does it, anyway. |
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| 02:51:10 | <nulldata> | https://lounge.nulldata.foo/uploads/a4463f53b8a4e4bb/GOTY.png |
| 02:51:32 | <nulldata> | I'm curious now what rating the Aussies gave it |
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| 02:55:52 | <nulldata> | Apparently never received classification down under |
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| 03:25:27 | <nulldata> | https://mailhog-stage.fanatec.com/ <- public Email inbox with no auth that receives copies of all their store order notifications. Neat! |
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| 04:16:51 | <pabs> | "Pulling Linux up by its bootstraps" https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/983340/0b9eb25f2166789b/ |
| 04:16:52 | <pabs> | (building modern Linux starting from zero binaries and generated files) |
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| 05:25:37 | <fireonlive> | crowdstrike dmcaing (?) meme stickers https://x.com/wbm312/status/1818381407766692224?s=12 |
| 05:25:37 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/wbm312/status/1818381407766692224 |
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| 14:38:13 | <eggdrop> | [remind] kiska: upsample project stats |
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| 16:49:51 | <fireonlive> | that's when you use AI to fill in the gaps right |
| 17:01:15 | <katia> | lol |
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| 17:37:01 | <kiska> | !remindme 1m downsample grafana |
| 17:37:04 | <eggdrop> | [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-08-01T17:38:01Z |
| 17:37:16 | <kiska> | !remindme 30d downsample grafana |
| 17:37:16 | <eggdrop> | [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-08-31T17:37:16Z |
| 17:38:04 | <eggdrop> | [remind] kiska: downsample grafana |
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| 18:35:41 | <nulldata> | Grafana RTX |
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| 18:44:37 | <fireonlive> | ah ye, 1mo for month |
| 18:44:42 | <fireonlive> | er, 'mo' for month |
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| 18:56:08 | <fireonlive> | "Rabbit Says Breach 'Not Caused by a Breach,' Is Fault of Malicious Employee, 'Hacktivists,' Journalists" https://www.404media.co/rabbit-says-breach-not-caused-by-a-breach-is-fault-of-malicious-employee-hacktivists-journalists/ |
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| 19:51:03 | <Notrealname1234> | https://x.com/ToonHive/status/1819086230988247340 |
| 19:51:04 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/ToonHive/status/1819086230988247340 |
| 19:52:47 | <Notrealname1234> | Why is the nitter link changing every time? |
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| 19:59:49 | <nukke> | ah, so they're just moving all content to hbo max |
| 20:04:11 | <Notrealname1234> | Yeah |
| 20:09:33 | <Fijxu|m> | <Notrealname1234> "Why is the nitter link changing..." <- Because not all instances work |
| 20:09:55 | <Fijxu|m> | They are being blocked by twitter or something |
| 20:10:03 | <Notrealname1234> | they should be |
| 20:10:10 | <Notrealname1234> | how are they coming back |
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| 20:11:26 | <Notrealname1234> | Yeah nevermind |
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| 23:19:30 | <nulldata> | https://clownstrike.lol/crowdmad/ |
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