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00:55:30<nukke>They gotta spend their budget on something
00:56:31<nukke>Although they could always host matrix on azure and use cloud S3 services πŸ€”
00:57:07<nukke>Although I do genuinely wonder how much Discord costs for those big-ish enterprise customers
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01:21:44<nyany>Hot topic here
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01:23:09<nyany>lol
01:23:17<nyany>I can't even word my statement right without sounding like an idiot
01:23:46<fireonlive>hi topic nice to meet you
01:23:53<nyany>tl;dr I don't feel like Discord encouraging social communities is a good idea
01:25:11<@JAA>fireonlive bonk++
01:25:13<eggdrop>[karma] 'fireonlive bonk' now has 41 karma!
01:25:14<nukke>Good idea to who?
01:25:31<nukke>Matrix/element foundation keeps dropping the ball
01:25:35<fireonlive>πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«
01:26:36<nukke>There's virtually no competition for communities. Is Rocketchat still open source? Mattermost?
01:27:02<nukke>I guess some newer communities I've encountered do have Discourse forums in addition to discord
01:27:50<nukke>But for zoomers and gen alpha kids You're never gonna convince them en masse to use e.g. IRC
01:28:27<nyany>there's a group that is trying to make irc attractive. https://ircv3.net/
01:28:29<nyany>IYKYK lol
01:31:40<nukke>Actually tbh irccloud does have a very nice UI
01:31:55<nukke>Probably the most friendly UX for newbies
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02:07:13<fireonlive>https://x.com/bigtechalert/status/1797971480644624690?s=12 oh noooooooooo ~nsfw
02:10:37<thuban>i just want discourse to stop complaining about old browsers, _setting the html element to `overflow-y: hidden`_, and then grudgingly re-enabling scroll in a noscript... with `revert`, which a lot of older browsers don't support!
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02:11:14<thuban>trying to look something up on your crappy old phone? lmao fuck you i guess. i'm convinced it's a benchmark-cheesing thing
02:12:08<pabs>discord--
02:12:08<eggdrop>[karma] 'discord' now has -18 karma!
02:12:13<pabs>mozilla--
02:12:13<eggdrop>[karma] 'mozilla' now has -1 karma!
02:14:44<fireonlive>mozilla--
02:14:45<eggdrop>[karma] 'mozilla' now has -2 karma!
02:15:56<fireonlive>webarchiving with safari! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40571270 uwu
02:31:30<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>thuban: If you have uBlock Origin, I figured out how to fix that with cosmetic filters a while ago: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/10kVr9/discourse.txt
02:32:48<thuban>yeah, it's not a big deal... on my computer. the crappy old phone does not support ubo :)
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02:46:46<fireonlive>the grindr bus' license plate is bussy 😭
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04:04:13<fireonlive>https://annas-archive.org/llm
04:04:23<fireonlive>>We’re able to provide high-speed access to our full collections, as well as to **unreleased collections**.
04:04:28<fireonlive>unreleased? πŸ€”
04:05:00<fireonlive>it is interesting though, if they can leverage that to get what they ask for and then release it later on
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04:35:32<angenieux>fireonlive bonk++
04:35:32<eggdrop>[karma] 'fireonlive bonk' now has 42 karma!
04:36:08<fireonlive>πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«
04:41:05<nukke>TIL about fire's origins https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/remote-amazon-tribe-finally-connects-to-internet-only-to-wind-up-hooked-on-porn-social-media/news-story/6abfea69d9dd7e49541ef46eb61558c4
04:47:45<fireonlive>😳 exposed
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05:47:13<fireonlive>kiska++
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07:33:43<joepie91|m>nukke1: obligatory caution that that article is a repost from NY Post, which is a tabloid that frequently makes shit up
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09:14:34<kiska>fireonlive why do I get a ++
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09:14:39<kiska>Lmao
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11:52:26<nulldata>Boeing Scrubliner launch attempt in 3 hours https://www.youtube.com/live/HneVxAmYcaA
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12:03:35<nyany>nulldata: good thing you said attempt
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12:39:47<that_lurker>Well its Boeing so the shuttle door could fly off in the middle of the launch
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14:47:08<nulldata>Less than 6 mins
14:52:50<that_lurker>lif off
14:52:54<that_lurker>lift even
14:54:11<that_lurker>Doors and hatches are still attached and no visible bolts fyling off
14:58:39<nyany>impressive
14:59:03<nyany>Then again if we compare fast food commercials to the actual product that reaches consumers..
14:59:22<nyany>It might be dolled up for the show but does it REALLY perform to expectation?
15:01:26<nulldata>Clearly, this is all being faked on a soundstage.
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15:19:07<that_lurker>https://img.kuhaon.fun/u/KshX9j.png I thought they were running redhat :-P
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15:24:36<nulldata>Yeah saw that - I wonder if the applications took the RH logo for their icons, or if they're using RedHat under WSL.
15:31:44<steering>is that a mousepad taped to the back of his laptop?!
15:32:19<steering>both laptops*
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16:40:32<that_lurker>If someone missed the launch live or wants to see the chat for some reason https://archive.org/details/nasas-boeing-starliner-crew-flight-test-launch-june-5-2024-official-nasa-broadcast
16:40:50<Fijxu[nadekonet]|m>pog
16:41:42<that_lurker>derive task will most likely run for a while on that one
16:43:05<thuban>i did miss it, thanks that_lurker!
16:50:26<fireonlive>that_lurker++
16:50:27<eggdrop>[karma] 'that_lurker' now has 9 karma!
16:54:43<that_lurker>60 more karma to go :-P
16:57:39<katia>that_lurker++
16:57:39<eggdrop>[karma] 'that_lurker' now has 10 karma!
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17:28:34<IDK>Finally, it has been mentioned: https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/06/05/as-chinas-internet-disappears-we-lose-parts-of-our-collective-memory
17:31:13<IDK>The sad thing here really is that there isn't much we can do here, considering all the JS and geoip restriction
17:33:41<IDK>And forgot to mention the important part: Login wall
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18:43:36<f_>https://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam?date=2024-04-23,Tue&sel=6#l6 heh
18:51:26<nyany>f_: what am I looking at here
18:51:40<nyany>Other than ChanFix unbanning everyone
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19:09:08<that_lurker>Most likely something to do with getting people with link previews enabled out from #archivebot
19:09:43<@JAA>You're looking at EFnet logs.
19:09:52<@JAA>Nobody uses EFnet anymore.
19:11:55<that_lurker>ohh for some reason I thought that was kiskas logs
19:12:22<that_lurker>3h of sleep does onders to ones ability to read and comprehend
19:12:29<that_lurker>wonders even
19:14:20<nyany>4:09:52 PM <@JAA> Nobody uses EFnet anymore.
19:14:24<nyany>I am personally hurt by this statement
19:16:15<f_>nyany: Well, CHANFIX unbanning everyone.
19:16:25<nyany>Oh,, so
19:16:28<nyany>it's not chanfix
19:16:29<nyany>it's chanfux
19:17:12<f_>JAA: some still use EFnet though
19:17:23<f_>Can't say I'm one of those though :^)
19:17:37<@JAA>I'm still idling there so we don't lose the channels. :-P
19:17:40<f_>I'm on a whole bunch of other networks though
19:17:48<f_>8+ networks
19:18:00<f_>you must be in one of them
19:18:20<f_>Perhaps more if you count f_[xmpp]
19:18:35<f_>I think I'm @ GIMPnet as "funderscore", not sure
19:18:47<f_>maybe it connected me to EFnet too somehow
19:18:59<f_>Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
19:20:01<f_>Anyway the networks listed on my www are the networks my bouncer connects to.
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19:20:37<Notrealname1234>Unlikely for ArchiveTeam to archive this, so sharing here instead. https://twitter.com/SYACVG/status/1798428581259010273
19:22:07<f_>hackint having some trouble, one second...
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19:22:36<ymgve>Notrealname1234: well it's not like archiveteam can or would want to store your personal save games
19:22:39<Notrealname1234>f_ what do you mean
19:22:44<Notrealname1234>Oh ok
19:23:13<f_>Notrealname1234: not sure, some commands stopped working
19:23:19<Notrealname1234>Oh ok
19:23:30<ymgve>though I wonder if that's 200mb across all titles because I think some games have individual saves larger than that
19:24:10<f_>alright
19:24:18<f_>woah, bouncer reconnects fast
19:24:21<f_>:D
19:25:05<f_>The power of using a bouncer, really
19:25:57<Notrealname1234>ymgve: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/gog-is-going-to-start-deleting-oversized-cloud-saves-at-the-end-of-august/
19:26:08<Notrealname1234>found this
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19:26:50<ymgve>yeah, that mostly seems like a non-issue
19:27:27<Notrealname1234>Ok
19:27:35<ymgve>from an archival standpoint, at least
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20:01:14steering glances at his >200MB of Cyberpunk 2077 saves
20:01:23<steering>havent even finished the game
20:01:26<ymgve>rip
20:01:38<fireonlive>i think i like
20:01:42<ymgve>well, your local saves are fine of course
20:01:46<fireonlive>loaded it and saw that it worked
20:01:53<steering>so gg to the creators of it for not letting me save enough saves to finish the game :P
20:02:45<ymgve>I guess they might do like steam and have different limits for certain games
20:03:16<steering>oh i didnt realize steam did that
20:03:43<steering>but yeah i have 2GB cap on cyberpunk and 100MB on the next game i looked at (civ 5)
20:04:00<ymgve>for example: https://steamdb.info/app/813230/ufs/ - "quota" is 10 mbytes
20:04:15<fireonlive>damn
20:04:24<fireonlive>i just had an idea and ymgve already squashed it
20:04:27<fireonlive>:P
20:04:36<ymgve>https://steamdb.info/app/1086940/ufs/ for baldur's gate 3 "quota" is 2GB
20:04:53<fireonlive>create "game" - store a bunch of "saves" - ??? - ~free storage
20:05:15<ymgve>your idea is probably why gog is limiting it - people abusing it as general storage
20:05:22<fireonlive>ye
20:05:48<fireonlive>i imagine a lot of cruft as well
20:07:11<ymgve>but even if there was a way to publically scrape all saves, I think it falls outside archiveteam scope
20:07:29<ymgve>not enough value IMO
20:08:59<ymgve>about the same level as scraping all midjourney images
20:39:17<DogsRNice>bg3 had (or still has) an issue of extreme save bloat, bethesda games can have the same issue
20:39:28<DogsRNice>as well
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21:49:56<nicolas17_>https://www.speedtest.net/result/16341512527.png unacceptable D:
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21:50:38<nicolas17>is pinging 8.8.8.8 still somewhat reliable to measure packet loss, or is Google randomly dropping ICMP there?
21:51:05<joepie91|m>has been reliable for me personally
21:51:46<fireonlive>i've taken to 1.1.1.1 lately
21:52:02<nicolas17>well I had like 20% packet loss a few mins ago
21:52:03<@JAA>I usually ping one of my own servers.
21:52:28<@JAA>And oof, that upload...
21:52:39<fireonlive>damn
21:53:08<nicolas17>my modem rebooted twice in a row, maybe everyone's did and the network was overloaded from everyone reconnecting
21:53:11<nicolas17>seems to be working better now
21:53:43<nicolas17>100/100 pinging 1.1.1.1
21:57:36<nyany>dont use speedtest.net
21:57:42<nyany>use iperf3 instead
21:57:49<nicolas17>nyany: why not
21:58:07<nyany>because 1 ookla is dumb
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22:01:15<nyany>and 2 iperf is pretty easy to run
22:01:37<nicolas17>not very strong arguments
22:02:20<nyany>Also
22:02:26<fireonlive>nyany: what about https://speed.cloudflare.com or https://fast.com :p
22:02:46<nyany>So
22:02:57<@JAA>Also, the enter key isn't a replacement for punctuation. ;-)
22:03:17<nyany>Major providers on Speedtest.net are knokwn to prioritize bandwidth on their test servers so it doesn't give a realistic representation of their true capacity
22:03:29<nicolas17>nyany: so what does it mean when I get *bad* results on speedtest.net? :P
22:03:41<nyany>well it either means your connection is shit or your provider is shit, one of the two
22:03:54<@JAA>Now, now. It could be both!
22:04:12<nicolas17>looks like I have to start an iperf3 server on my VPS, then run the client on my machine against that, then stop the server to stop others from using it and killing my server bandwidth?
22:04:36<nyany>sure
22:04:56<nyany>or just set iperf up, configure ufw to allow from you, and deny from anything else
22:05:08<fireonlive>can you pwgate it? i don't think so eh
22:05:21<nicolas17>compared to Ctrl-T speedtest.net enter, meh
22:06:20<nicolas17>https://www.speedtest.net/result/16341550883.png that's better
22:06:22<nicolas17>(same test server)
22:07:05<fireonlive>oh can it me
22:07:07<fireonlive>be*
22:07:11<fireonlive>?
22:07:14<fireonlive>oh so it can be*
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