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01:39:32<fireonlive>https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-ideas/issues/100
01:39:37<fireonlive>JAA: wouldn't this be fun
01:44:07<@JAA>There's a very lengthy discussion about it elsewhere.
01:44:36<@JAA>Someone linked it the other day, I think?
01:45:21<fireonlive>oh maybe it was me
01:45:24<fireonlive>hm
01:45:47<@JAA>Hmm no, you just linked that one the other day. I thought I saw a longer one before.
01:46:01<fireonlive>ahh hmm
01:46:49<@JAA>The in-band base64 idea is glorious. Someone did that a while ago on a Libera channel. When they were unquieted half an hour later, they were still going. lol
01:47:47<fireonlive>lmao
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02:07:19<pabs>heh #fire-channels is a fun ride. join, get invited to some channels, kicked, rejoin, more invites, kicked, banned :)
02:07:49<fireonlive>haha :)
02:08:01<fireonlive>i forgot to couple the ban
02:08:02<pabs>fireonlive: maybe drop the ban, since if you add new channels I can't find out about them now :)
02:10:05<fireonlive>ah true :)
02:10:22<fireonlive>it was meant to prevent auto-rejoin so quickly but it's a bit slow
02:25:44<@JAA>Old and busted: Helldiver gets review-bombed because Sony requires a linked PSN account.
02:25:55<@JAA>New and hot: Ghost of Tsushima gets review-bombed because Sony requires a linked PSN account.
02:38:33<fireonlive>:3
02:55:30<pabs>about the Debian xz backdoor response: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MiniDebConf-Berlin-xz
02:59:08<Harzilein>ls
02:59:09<Harzilein>oops
02:59:36<@JAA>. .. porn
02:59:42<Harzilein>cd porn
02:59:58<Harzilein>mpv --shuffle .
03:02:00<@JAA>mpv++
03:02:01<eggdrop>[karma] 'mpv' now has 1 karma!
03:07:15<Harzilein>mpv++
03:07:15<eggdrop>[karma] 'mpv' now has 2 karma!
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04:04:13<fireonlive>nsfw/TIL: https://www.edgemedianetwork.com/story/333086
04:23:41<fireonlive>+rss- A transport protocol's view of Starlink: https://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2024-05/starlink-tcp.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40384959
04:33:07<fireonlive>>Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot. Why did this happen?
04:33:26<fireonlive>"Why did this happen?" they won't tell you, but it's because you know what "inurl:" etc are
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04:49:50<pabs>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/archie-the-internets-first-search-engine-is-rescued-and-running/
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05:51:45<@JAA>https://realsocial.life/@WearsHats/112449961604246276/embed :-)
05:59:37<fireonlive>:)
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14:43:13<nukke>https://about.winamp.com/press/article/winamp-open-source-code
15:17:53<steering>:o
15:47:04<fireonlive>that_lurker: what do you notice with #// and soju?
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16:17:00<that_lurker>fireonlive: When I leave the messages from that channel appear in an empty #-- channel. Either that is supposed to be a catch up channel or most likely the #// channel name causes something odd to happen
16:17:20<fireonlive>ah! interesting
16:17:41<that_lurker>Lets see if it happens again when I join the channel
16:24:15<fireonlive>:)
16:24:29<fireonlive>https://t.me/durov/275 https://t.me/durov/277
16:24:36<fireonlive>i don't want to live on this planet anymore
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17:18:45<@arkiver>hmm the "tapping hashtags" idea sounds very interesting
17:18:53<@arkiver>i hope it will be publicly usable - without account
17:18:56<@arkiver>fireonlive: ^
17:19:18<@arkiver>on the notcoin stuff and the app, i guess someone found a new way to create hype for a pump and dump scheme
17:19:35<@arkiver>now other people will do the same, and then after some time it doesn't work well anymore
17:23:11<nicolas17>"hundreds of millions of dollars in value were created for Telegram users in this miniapp out of nowhere in a matter of months"
17:23:36<nicolas17>...you can't create value out of nowhere this is literally an empty bubble
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17:29:44<steering>in a world of fiat currency, things have value because people think they have value. (don't get me wrong this is an empty bubble yeah but what about bitcoin?)
17:30:27<fireonlive>arkiver: agreed, hopefully we can grab some public hashtags at the very least :)
17:31:32<nicolas17>these shitcoins have value because people think they can sell them to a bigger fool later
17:32:37<steering>lol, fair
17:36:27<@arkiver>fireonlive: perhaps even better for discovering channels
17:40:25<fireonlive>ah indeed!
17:42:40<f_>that_lurker: Are you using soju?
17:43:18<f_>When using soju configured to store logs in plaintext it happens, because "/" isn't a valid char in files.
17:44:20fireonlive 👀 the lounge merging a few channel's logs all into one file because of that same issue
17:44:33<fireonlive>(and irssi does too iirc)
17:44:39<f_>I'm not into web clients
17:44:55<f_>:P
17:45:12<fireonlive>i'm on my phone a lot and like push notifs
17:45:15<f_>I discovered this when I wanted to PM "f_/h" on some network to test PMs
17:45:25<fireonlive>also ones i can just click on and reply quickly
17:45:34<f_>then reported the "f_-h" shows up instead of "f_/h"
17:45:36<f_>in #soju
17:45:46<fireonlive>(though TL sucks at PNs too sometimes)
17:45:55<fireonlive>ahh
17:46:02<f_>This shouldn't happen if you're storing logs in sqlite I think
17:46:12<f_>fireonlive: soju also has push notifs
17:46:20<fireonlive>hmm
17:46:28<f_>well, goguma + soju
17:46:41<fireonlive>might be worth a try
17:46:52<f_>#soju on libera
17:55:57<steering>just name the chan #⧸⧸
17:56:01<steering>duh
17:56:33<steering>(:p)
18:04:18<that_lurker>f_: Oh thats interesting. Need to change that to something else then
18:07:45<f_>that_lurker: yeah
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18:10:27<that_lurker>good thing there is db as an option
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18:19:59<that_lurker>hmm and of course its not as simple as I thought it would be
18:27:00<that_lurker>oh nevermind now its just loggin to the main database.
18:28:09<katia>that_lurker, how's soju
18:28:30<katia>for each setting change do you need to restart?
18:28:44<katia>or reconnect
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18:35:29<fireonlive>is the database schema as................
18:35:37<fireonlive>................lovely...... as the lounge's
18:37:19<immibis>months after deleting awards which everyone said was a terrible idea, and now being beholden to shareholders, reddit brings back awards because it admits removing them was a terrible idea
18:37:52<immibis>it's so stupid it makes you think there was an ulterior motive, like depressing the IPO price
18:38:41<immibis>or resetting everyone's microtransaction tokens to zero (it used to be "coins", now it's "gold" and obviously don't have any gold even if you had coins before)
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18:45:38<that_lurker>fireonlive: Looks nicer
18:45:44<fireonlive>sweet
18:46:44<that_lurker>Hating that I now have no logs though :-(
18:47:09<katia>z n c
18:47:27<that_lurker>Thought about inserting all lounge logs into the db, but might not be the best idead
18:47:59<katia>is there search that_lurker?
18:48:46<that_lurker>no
18:50:07<Notrealname1234>fireonpants?
18:50:16<fireonlive>hm you'd have to convert formats i guess
18:52:35<that_lurker>katia: Senpai supports the /search functionality though and that is F A S T
18:52:46<katia>s-senpai?
18:53:24<Notrealname1234>fireonlive: fireonpants
18:53:34<katia>https://git.sr.ht/~delthas/senpai/
18:53:35<that_lurker>katia bon... I mean the epicness that is ircv3 https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/496
18:53:36<fireonlive>mine seem to not be on fire
18:56:28<fireonlive>as our prophet Asher Roth once gifted upon us: "time isn't wasted when you're getting wasted"
18:56:33<fireonlive>have fun everyone
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19:11:38<fireonlive>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40391299 lol twitter's breaking stuff
19:12:00<fireonlive>link to tweet? broken
19:12:17<fireonlive>maybe hn stripped sth but idk
19:14:44<thuban>gross
19:18:16<fireonlive>yeah :/
19:18:25<fireonlive>#archiveteam-twitter is having troubles too
19:18:51<fireonlive>normal tweet links are still working, but embedded tweets are linked as something like: https://twitter.com/x/migrate?tok=eyJlIjoiL2FydG9mbm9pc2VvZmZpYy9zdGF0dXMvMTc5MTQxMDk1Mzc4OTA3NTcwMyIsInQiOjE3MTU5Njk1NzF9f%2BFZZNeS78phff1AnPGVvg%3D%3D
19:19:38<fireonlive>which... doesn't load the tweet at all. when i first went to x.com in my browser i saw that briefly, so i think it's to bring over cookies or something?
19:24:44<f_>that_lurker: soju does support searching in logs
19:24:49<f_>and senpai uses that feature.
19:25:18<that_lurker>yeah, but gamja does not integrate that as far as I know
19:30:06<@OrIdow6>The Telegram founder seems a bit nuts but in a way that makes me think he is good for privacy
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19:31:47<joepie91|m>dubious
19:32:13<joepie91|m>morals are one thing, but it does actually need to come with competence to turn it into something helpful
19:32:31<joepie91|m>and there are uh. quite a few questions about that in his case
19:32:55<joepie91|m>(competence on the non-technical aspects of that job, specifically, as well as some of the technical aspects)
19:37:57<fireonlive>telegram is like the only good chat app UX wise :/
19:38:00<fireonlive>which really fucking sucks
19:38:49<fireonlive>though tg's founder claiming signal is backdoored is kinda unhinged
19:39:31<fireonlive>https://t.me/durov/274
19:41:22<fireonlive>>An alarming number of important people I’ve spoken to remarked that their “private” Signal messages had been exploited against them in US courts or media. But whenever somebody raises doubt about their encryption, Signal’s typical response is “we are open source so anyone can verify that everything is all right”. That, however, is a
19:41:22<fireonlive>trick 🤡
19:41:48<fireonlive>>The US government spent $3M to build Signal’s encryption, and today the exact same encryption is implemented in WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages and even Skype. It looks almost as if big tech in the US is not allowed to build its own encryption protocols that would be independent of government interference
19:42:09<fireonlive>joepie91|m: sound logical to you eh?
19:49:30<steering>{"e":"/artofnoiseoffic/status/1791410953789075703","t":1715969571}�Ydג��a}�@��
19:49:41<steering>at least you should be able to pull out what the link is meant to be? lol
19:50:28<fireonlive>ooh
20:38:34<nulldata>https://www.ign.com/articles/take-two-ceo-on-intercept-roll7-we-didnt-shutter-those-studios
20:39:15<nulldata>Basic summary is https://lounge.nulldata.foo/uploads/4f589c4509e0ed56/image.png
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22:11:17<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/7b5a3eef8a159717/chatgpt.png
22:11:20<fireonlive>do i dare???
22:13:58<Notrealname1234>Use Safari
22:18:39<nukke>Whenever I remember fire uses a mac I think to myself, "I can fix him"
22:19:10<fireonlive>i'd like to see you try ;)
22:20:10<nukke>😳
22:23:10<steering>Cloudflare be like "e.g. User-agent" and also be like " '(any(http.request.headers["User-agent"][*] contains "foo") is not a valid value for expression because it is not possible to use an uppercase string"
22:23:14<steering>doubleplus good
22:25:21<that_lurker>fireonlive: I mean this could be fun on those lonely days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYi3Wr7v_g
22:32:31<fireonlive>buttflare--
22:32:32<eggdrop>[karma] 'buttflare' now has -10 karma!
22:33:04<fireonlive>that_lurker: hmm give it a male voice and i don't need to look for a boyfriend anymore maybe
22:33:05<fireonlive>:p
22:36:23<Notrealname1234>CloudButt
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22:40:36<that_lurker>fireonlive: It had one I believe or at least is going to get one once the voice actors create it
22:41:09<fireonlive>sweet
22:41:33<fireonlive>if daddy nukke falls though i have a backup plan
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22:43:54<fireonlive>:3
23:11:51<immibis>fireonlive: at least one actual backdoor was discovered in telegram, a way for the server to intercept connections while keeping displayed key fingerprints the same
23:12:33<nicolas17>"backdoor" sounds intentional
23:17:26<nukke>I bet Signal devs put that in there to make telegram look bad
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23:28:29<fireonlive>my fucking banking app made me choose if i wanted to accept advertising cookies hahahahahahahaha
23:28:40<fireonlive>so they could share info with their partners
23:28:48<nicolas17>fireonlive: my banking app sends me promotions via push notifications
23:28:51<fireonlive>our world is so fucked
23:28:56<fireonlive>nicolas17: christ
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23:29:08<nicolas17>of course I could disable push notifications for the whole app but then I won't get notified about transfers and stuff
23:29:20<fireonlive>right??
23:29:40<nicolas17>I complained to support, of course I didn't get a satisfactory answer
23:29:43<fireonlive>fucking koho - a scam of a "bank" imo - did that with me and i was like yeah fuck that
23:29:45<nicolas17>so I complained to Apple
23:29:47<nicolas17>since
23:29:49<nicolas17>"Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages."
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23:30:04<nicolas17>so that Apple can also disappoint me by doing nothing about it
23:30:49<fireonlive>:(
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23:58:51<immibis>Signal also has one huge problem: it's closed-source.
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