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00:47:41<nulldata>https://twitter.com/TheBobPony/status/1773951648345239590
00:51:06<fireonlive>christ lol
00:58:12<fireonlive>https://open-sez.me/default-passwords-irc.html
00:58:13<fireonlive>lol
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02:48:42<nukke>Anyone know if the "Secure Erase" thing for HDDs is safe to interrupt?
02:49:48<nukke>I realized after I started it that it's gonna take 46 days to complete. I usually do ~24 hours of dban zeroing on new drives but figured I'd test Secure Erase
02:59:39<nulldata>https://youtu.be/AHfmA1zlGZU
02:59:55<nulldata>Be Gammer!
03:00:40<ymgve>46 days?
03:00:50<ymgve>is the drive broken and some sectors are really slow?
03:04:17<nukke>shouldn't be. SMART is clean. these are brand new (shucked) 18tb drives connected via SATA.
03:08:42<fireonlive>nukke: loading up more hard drives for me? ;)
03:09:12<nukke>ofc, i need a place to store our 8K sex tape
03:10:06<fireonlive>:3
03:14:38<@JAA>I can haz a couple, too? Thank
03:15:09<@JAA>HDDs, not sex tapes
03:15:15<nukke>ok accept the DCC transfer for the tapes
03:15:18<nukke>oh
03:19:13<fireonlive>o
03:19:28<fireonlive>guess we'll have to stick to phub
03:26:14<nulldata>Using phub limits your reach - no Texas
03:27:26<fireonlive>true
03:27:29<fireonlive>hmm
03:29:08<nulldata>There's always https://transfer.archivete.am/ :P
03:31:14<fireonlive>;o
03:31:32<fireonlive>brb storing my gay porn collection on transfer with JAA's blessing
03:31:36<fireonlive><:3
03:32:14<@JAA>$ nano Caddyfile
03:32:22<fireonlive>>:o
03:32:34<fireonlive>😨
03:34:41<nicolas17>if you want fast secure erasing, encrypt your disks
03:34:54<nicolas17>then you can secure-erase the key alone
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03:39:13<@JAA>Yep, this is why all of my devices (except for one USB drive) are encrypted. You can even have the LUKS header on another device, then there's nothing but random noise on the disk.
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03:40:54<fireonlive>JAA: but how strong is your password? :p
03:42:11<@JAA>Strong enough, I think. But with a separated header, it doesn't even matter since you can't derive the master key from the password; it's stored (encrypted) in the header.
03:42:37<nicolas17>also if you only care about secure-erase, you don't need a password
03:42:40<fireonlive>ah ye
03:43:53<nicolas17>eg. iPhones encrypt all your data even if you don't set a passcode (in that case the key is stored directly without encrypting it with another passcode-derived key)
03:44:08<nicolas17>that gives you fast erase, and fast enabling of a passcode later
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11:39:03<kiska>nukke: Secure Erase? If its on an enterprise 520byte drive, DO NOT INTERRUPT IT. If you do it'll brick the drive
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14:26:59<nukke>https://cloudisland.nz/@xssfox/112183811509680265
14:43:49<kpcyrd>lol :D
14:57:20<nukke>https://www.wsj.com/tech/discord-to-start-showing-ads-for-gamers-to-boost-revenue-bf5848b9
14:57:25<nukke>discord++
14:57:26<eggdrop>[karma] 'discord' now has -6 karma!
15:39:36<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>(try https://archive.today/20240331110258/https://www.wsj.com/tech/discord-to-start-showing-ads-for-gamers-to-boost-revenue-bf5848b9 if the above article doesn't display correctly)
15:41:57<katia>dicsord--
15:41:57<eggdrop>[karma] 'dicsord' now has -1 karma!
15:42:05<katia>discord--
15:42:06<eggdrop>[karma] 'discord' now has -7 karma!
15:43:18<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>From the article, it seems that surprisingly there's a chance they might not screw this one up. "Discord said users will be able to turn off the ads in their settings."
15:48:17<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>Kind of sounds like twitch's "Drops" thing, where you can get in-game stuff from watching participating streamers, except possibly in reverse?
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16:13:49<steering>mfw people used to tell me "no, discord makes plenty of money from nitro"
16:17:01<DigitalDragons>yeah they are basically twitch drops https://discord.com/quests
17:25:34<nukke>Are there *any* chat applications that have positive cash flow?
17:26:30<nukke>I could've sworn there was an article a week or two ago about Zoom and how much money they were losing, and they're the biggest video conference platform around
17:29:26<imer>I'm convinced they could, but VC money (or pressure from being a public company) just ruins everything since they need to grow 1000x or just fail :)
17:29:45<imer>can't just coast on a semi-successful product paying the bills kinda thing
17:57:14<myself>I think AOL chat was quite successful in getting people to pay for AOL since you couldn't access it from off the platform. Since then, I'm not aware of any.
17:57:56<TheTechRobo>Facebook Messenger seems like it would have a similar effect
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19:19:22<fireonlive>need a good self hosted chat app
19:19:24<fireonlive>:|
19:22:08<Barto>mattermost?
19:23:39<fireonlive>maybe just a skill issue but i couldn't get push notifications working with their mobile client
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19:41:43<nukke>xmpp? There are some super lightweight clients and it's more normie -friendly than IRC
19:48:30<fireonlive>hmm could work
19:48:37<fireonlive>message deletion is there eh?
19:48:47<fireonlive>as well as media upload?
19:51:44<nukke>Message deletion not yet in the spec https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0424.html
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20:05:57<fireonlive>ahh tk
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21:31:06<nicolas17>"Due to the federated and extensible nature of XMPP it's not possible to remove a message with full certainty"
21:31:20<nicolas17>well due to the existence of screenshots it's not possible anyway
21:44:51<Barto>gotta use the fax then
21:45:06<Barto>(JAA will get this joke)
21:52:30<fireonlive>everyone using screenshots as proof is a bugbear of mine lol
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22:24:26<nulldata>https://lounge.nulldata.foo/uploads/b0e82db5c0dd96f4/proof.png
22:28:17<fireonlive>!
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22:47:36<Larsenv>http://transfer.archivete.am/SPRiF/pruuf.png
22:47:48<@JAA>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/SPRiF/pruuf.png *
22:48:04<@JAA>lol Barto :-)
22:49:45<@JAA>What a shame that they'll have an option to disable the ads. This could be a great way to maim the platform more thoroughly.
22:51:56<nicolas17>not looking forward to archiving Discord on a deadline
22:52:16<fireonlive>"The xz backdoor thing reminds me of a story" https://rigor-mortis.nmrc.org/@simplenomad/112184869681420177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39888059
22:52:19<fireonlive>interesting story
23:00:56<nicolas17>is half of Germany stoned now?
23:05:44<fireonlive>hopefully
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23:14:04<fireonlive>🥚 happy easter all 🐇
23:14:10<fireonlive>(this time it's not an amsg)
23:15:33<katia>didn't know HPKP was gone :p
23:16:25<katia>Expect-CT apparently?
23:20:57<fireonlive>https://securityheaders.com/?q=transfer.archivete.am&hide=on&followRedirects=on
23:21:04<fireonlive>oh wrong channel
23:21:24<nulldata>https://oakpoint.edu/wp-content/themes/oakpoint/img/17Mv8h5DAH7x3S5lC1ykbHK7.mp4
23:22:26<@JAA>Remind me, what config options does The Lounge have for link previews? Global on/off, anything else?
23:23:51<fireonlive>can cache stuff as well
23:24:46<fireonlive>https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge/blob/master/defaults/config.js#L125
23:25:37<fireonlive>but yeah mainly just on/off
23:26:20<fireonlive>nulldata: :3
23:26:21<@JAA>fireonlive: Wait, if that isn't enabled, it directly embeds the remote content without proxying?
23:26:33<fireonlive>i believe so yeah
23:26:41<fireonlive>some nice leaking there lol
23:26:49<@JAA>lol wtf
23:27:11<fireonlive>i read that in the comments when first setting it up and was like yeah that's going on first thing
23:27:12<katia>thelounge best client?
23:28:17<@JAA>Please send me your favourite WTF moments about TL, I'm writing a list. :-)
23:30:55<fireonlive>the sqlite database schema (very generously used) i showed you
23:31:56<fireonlive>oh
23:31:59<fireonlive>you fucking whois someone
23:32:04<fireonlive>and it opens a query window
23:32:09<fireonlive>with the results
23:32:10<fireonlive>:|
23:32:17<fireonlive>like just show in in $curwindow please
23:33:07<@JAA>I was just looking for the DB schema, yeah. Do you still know where it is?
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23:34:10<@JAA>The whois thing I'd classify as an odd quirk but not more. irssi does it nicely: if you already have a query window open for that nick, it goes there, else the status window.
23:34:51<fireonlive>ew they do it in here: https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge/blob/48213955b9f512a80cdef7a53333b917406e13b4/server/plugins/messageStorage/sqlite.ts#L31
23:35:02<fireonlive>>// Desired schema, adapt to the newest version and add migrations to the array below
23:36:37<@JAA>Ah, and `messages.msg` is the 'lol, let's just dump JSON here' field.
23:37:47<@JAA>Oh, prefetching is disabled by default?
23:38:39<@JAA>Searches only apply to things currently held in memory (as governed by the `maxHistory` config value), right?
23:38:54<fireonlive>oh, so it is
23:39:22<fireonlive>prefetch has to be true, and disableMediaPreview to false
23:39:58<@JAA>Looks like it defaulted to true before the release of 1.0.0: https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge/commit/feebaa440e28410e1b7f57be5d8452ee06350340
23:40:02<fireonlive>search will go beyond that
23:40:06<fireonlive>just not scrollback
23:40:11<fireonlive>'load more messages'
23:40:27<@JAA>Ah. Several people have been saying that the search is awful. What's the background for that?
23:40:30<fireonlive>so i can only see up to march 26 in this channel
23:40:46<fireonlive>very slow for me, can't jump to context
23:41:02<@JAA>Ah
23:41:16<fireonlive>i am in... probably 500 channels though
23:41:23<fireonlive>iirc it uses that sqlite thing to search for messages
23:41:30<fireonlive>which sin't the most optimized
23:41:35<@JAA>Yeah, my client keeps 1k lines or 24 hours of logs in scrollback, whichever is greater. Which equates to about 2.5 days in this channel currently.
23:41:39<@JAA>Configurable, of course.
23:41:46<fireonlive>but if i searched for 'Ah' i couldn't jump to the message
23:41:47<nicolas17>JAA: when I post a link to my server in an archiveteam chat, I get requests from a dozen different IPs with a The Lounge user agent
23:41:50<katia>how do you jump between channels fireonlive
23:42:02<fireonlive>katia: search and click or scroll and click
23:42:05<katia>wow
23:42:08<fireonlive>ikr lol
23:42:11<@JAA>So you only get the search result, I see.
23:42:19<@JAA>/1234 <3
23:42:27<fireonlive>also only can search in one channel
23:42:33<fireonlive>no 'search all channels' or 'subset of channels'
23:42:34<@JAA>Beautiful
23:42:36<katia>JAA, how do you jump between channels
23:43:07<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/07feed426f7b44a1/test-search.png
23:43:10<fireonlive>here's a search for test
23:43:14<katia>i do /g partofchannelname usually but i am trying to use ctrl-g instead which does the same thing opens the fuzzy searcher thingy
23:43:35<@JAA>katia: I have key bindings for the first 80 channels. Beyond that, I use /123 to jump to window 123. I also have `/wg name` to jump to a window with that name (which could be a channel name or a nick for a query window).
23:43:39<fireonlive>maybe don't use that as a wiki example
23:43:42<fireonlive>lol
23:43:52<katia>channel number are too variable on weechat to be remembered
23:44:20<@JAA>They're pretty static for me.
23:44:42<@JAA>The variations are mostly at the upper end, and yeah, I don't remember those numbers.
23:44:53<@JAA>So I use /wg when I need one of those.
23:45:19<@JAA>Although my status bar shows all windows with activity since I last read them, so most of the time, I actually see the number there.
23:45:32<FireFly>sometimes I leave an early channel which messes everything up.. maybe I should set the thingy to allow holes in the numbers
23:45:43<FireFly>I mean I also tend to switch by unique infixes
23:45:54<@JAA>I also have a key binding for 'jump to first window with highest activity'. So I can easily jump to a window where I get pinged, for example.
23:46:36<@JAA>The activity levels are basically: highlighted, messages, mode/topic changes
23:46:55<@JAA>But there's a lot of flexibility in it, and you can also adjust it via scripts.
23:46:56<nicolas17>FireFly: sounds like uninstalling an iOS app and getting all following icons rearranged /o\
23:47:13<nicolas17>I have to be careful to "fill the hole" with a different app so only one app changes position
23:47:20<fireonlive>nicolas17: 😏
23:47:22nicolas17 preemptively bonks fireonlive
23:47:24<nicolas17>oh he was faster
23:47:26<@JAA>lol
23:47:27<fireonlive>xD
23:48:32<katia>yeah, the hotlist is the same on weechat
23:48:43katia bonks fireonlive
23:48:50<fireonlive>😵‍💫
23:48:56<katia>alt-a by default switches to pm/highlight/highest activity
23:48:59<nicolas17>fireonlive: there was someone streaming on twitch while working on knot insertion for her spline editing tool for a game engine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-uniform_rational_B-spline#Knot_insertion
23:49:06<@JAA>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/wsbt9/bonk.webp
23:49:08<nicolas17>and people kept going 😏 in chat and she didn't understand why
23:49:14<fireonlive>😵‍💫
23:49:15<fireonlive>nicolas17: x3
23:49:27katia bonks fireonlive
23:49:52<nicolas17>https://twitter.com/FreyaHolmer/status/1584488416854433793 ah there it is
23:49:58<fireonlive>😵‍💫
23:50:29<fireonlive>noice
23:52:32<@JAA>I like how searching for 'knot insertion' on DDG returns all maths stuff in the web search, linking to unis and scientific publications and so on. The images tab ... does not contain any illustrations of the maths concept.
23:53:47<nicolas17>JAA: a friend was learning about sudoku techniques and googled "naked single" without thinking
23:53:58<nicolas17>every result in web search was about sudoku
23:54:21<@JAA>Nice, can confirm.
23:55:05<@JAA>And the images are what you'd expect.
23:55:35<@JAA>(I do have 'safe search' disabled because of course.)
23:56:09katia bonks fireonlive
23:56:18katia bonks JAA
23:57:41<fireonlive>😵‍💫
23:58:14fireonlive will have to start up the BSB forums job in secret, away from katia's eyes
23:58:35<katia>BSB?
23:59:01<fireonlive>broke straight boys lol
23:59:52<nicolas17>:1
23:59:53<nicolas17>:|

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