| 00:06:47 | <Barto> | https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/25/martin-scorsese-vhs-video-collection-archive > One of us! One of us! |
| 00:08:06 | <fireonlive> | what are some good songs involving ephemerality |
| 00:10:32 | <Barto> | https://torrentfreak.com/publishers-secure-widespread-support-in-landmark-copyright-battle-with-internet-archive-240324/ |
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| 00:45:23 | <nicolas17> | "Entering the terms ‘Internet Archive DRM’ into any search engine results in a number of links to software tools that remove the Internet Archive’s DRM technology along with instructions on how to use it." |
| 00:45:37 | <nicolas17> | okay then send your legal threats to those tools and not to IA itself |
| 00:47:36 | <fireonlive> | ('someone' should save those tools too) |
| 00:48:23 | <nicolas17> | well yeah but |
| 00:48:40 | <nicolas17> | from a legal standpoint those are more illegal than IA letting you borrow a book |
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| 00:49:33 | <nulldata> | Time to break out the banners? https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/QEgZN/Personal%20Appeal.png |
| 00:50:46 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/0b202f323feea109/pls.png |
| 00:51:19 | <immibis> | something everyone in this field needs to understand about the law is that it's mostly the arbitrary whims of the most powerful people. They want to shut down IA, so they will shut down IA. The law just determines how much arguing happens before it is shut down. |
| 00:51:36 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/b22271e83e64e42c/plss.png |
| 00:52:06 | <immibis> | IA could be the only institution giving things out with known broken DRM, and if so they'll use that to shut it down |
| 00:52:06 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: this didn't need to be 3000px |
| 00:52:11 | <fireonlive> | 😂 |
| 00:52:51 | <fireonlive> | the best part is, it's going on the IA forever |
| 00:52:53 | <immibis> | movie DRM gets more restrictive every time a breaking tool is released publicly, and IA DRM does not, therefore IA intends its DRM to be broken |
| 00:53:15 | <immibis> | at least that's what the court will argue - and if you can't keep your DRM up to date then you can't serve books at all |
| 00:53:39 | <nulldata> | That's 5.1 MiB that could have been used to archive something useful. |
| 00:59:23 | <fireonlive> | nulldata: https://dl.fireon.live/irc/b22271e83e64e42c/plss.png |
| 01:02:09 | <fireonlive> | soon: not-the-internet-archive.onion? |
| 01:03:41 | <immibis> | that's just called various pirate sites |
| 01:04:05 | <fireonlive> | tru |
| 01:04:22 | <immibis> | maybe someone's done a survey of what's on internet archive vs lib[redacted]is |
| 01:04:43 | <immibis> | but probably not |
| 01:04:44 | <nukke> | the metaverse archive. in the future all news and articles will be 30second tiktok-like VR videos |
| 01:04:55 | <immibis> | isn't that the present? |
| 01:05:23 | <immibis> | I'm repeatedly finding YouTube to be the most effective source of news - including shorts |
| 01:05:43 | <immibis> | especially on things like Israel/Palestine |
| 01:06:05 | <immibis> | I should say platform,not source |
| 01:09:46 | <nukke> | eh, the downside is that it's very easy to fall into weird information blackholes on youtube. |
| 01:10:30 | <nukke> | re: israel/palestine conflict, it only takes one click to get your feed messed up, depending on which side of the conversation you're on. |
| 01:10:41 | <immibis> | usually when it recommends me obvious nazi shit I just select "do not recommend channel". hope that penalizes them algorithmically too. |
| 01:11:05 | <nukke> | I clicked on a podcast that had a guest that was on one side of the argument, on a podcast that was firmly on the other side, and now my feed is filled with crap. |
| 01:11:24 | <immibis> | I've got a long account history so I'm probably not seeing what new users are seeing on the homepage. |
| 01:13:57 | <immibis> | one time I did try always clicking on the first recommended video in private browsing and just ended up in a chain of pop songs iirc - that was a while ago |
| 01:15:17 | <nukke> | I browse youtube while logged out |
| 01:15:32 | <nukke> | so in a way it's on me that my reccs get so screwed up every now and then |
| 01:15:55 | <immibis> | how's it supposed to remember you're not a nazi if you're logged out? |
| 01:16:24 | <immibis> | nazi propaganda gets views, you can't blame them for serving what gets views /s |
| 01:21:43 | <fireonlive> | i did nazi that coming |
| 01:23:45 | <immibis> | pun=fail, irrelevant in context |
| 01:28:53 | <fireonlive> | it's ok, my whole existence is |
| 01:29:28 | <immibis> | well you run some archiving stuff or something |
| 01:30:18 | <fireonlive> | i suppose i !a stuff now and then |
| 01:42:24 | <fireonlive> | >Elon Musk's X has lost his lawsuit against the Center for Countering Digital Hate. The ND of California federal court just dismissed the entire case as being an anti-SLAPP action intended to chill speech. |
| 01:42:27 | <fireonlive> | via https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1772266794377478351 |
| 01:44:45 | <fireonlive> | https://twstalker.com/esqueer_/status/1772266794377478351 |
| 02:00:30 | <immibis> | watch the court get banned from X |
| 02:00:43 | <immibis> | and the judge and esqueer_ for reporting on it |
| 02:01:04 | <immibis> | every time anyone reports on Elon Musk 's failure they get banned from X |
| 02:05:45 | <nukke> | twitter has lasted longer than I expected after their purge last year |
| 02:06:34 | <nukke> | no (major) outages in a while. I still see way more twitter links than mastodon, linkedin, lemmy and even reddit |
| 02:41:07 | <nulldata> | https://trysora.io/ |
| 02:42:54 | <nulldata> | fireonlive - knock yourself out |
| 02:43:04 | <fireonlive> | o3o |
| 02:43:35 | <fireonlive> | <small>Example: A cat waking up its sleeping owner demanding breakfast.</small> |
| 02:43:36 | <fireonlive> | <!-- <small>Example: A litter of golden retriever puppies playing in the snow. Their heads pop out of the snow, covered in.</small> --> |
| 02:43:38 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 02:44:05 | <fireonlive> | hmm |
| 02:44:08 | <fireonlive> | jebaited |
| 02:45:42 | <fireonlive> | xP |
| 02:52:04 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/Barnacules/status/1772449957355696245 wow, AI! |
| 02:52:05 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 02:52:48 | <fireonlive> | https://twstalker.com/Barnacules/status/1772449957355696245 |
| 02:54:04 | <nulldata> | https://www.tmz.com/2024/03/25/diddy-private-jet-tracked-caribbean-island-antigua-raids/ |
| 02:54:09 | <fireonlive> | made it to HN: +rss- Publishers Secure Widespread Support in Copyright Battle with Internet Archive: https://torrentfreak.com/publishers-secure-widespread-support-in-landmark-copyright-battle-with-internet-archive-240324/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39823271 |
| 02:56:19 | <fireonlive> | nulldata: https://youtu.be/-V4gtnMRoqg?t=19 |
| 02:56:31 | <fireonlive> | just snip off the last second or so |
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| 03:00:24 | <nulldata> | Diddy indeed did |
| 03:07:16 | <nulldata> | On the topic of retired Microsoft devs, this was kinda sad to learn about Dave Plummer. https://web.archive.org/web/20210320172920/https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-s-office-sues-settles-washington-based-softwareonlinecom |
| 03:16:22 | <immibis> | 190k lol |
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| 03:40:58 | <nukke> | nooooo! dave's garage guy?! wtf |
| 03:41:47 | <nukke> | ironic since he has a video about how... task manager was backdooreda |
| 03:42:16 | <nukke> | well, maybe not irony but just silly that that was also deception |
| 03:44:21 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/a3636ffe38632271/image.png |
| 03:44:25 | <fireonlive> | worst thing |
| 03:45:45 | <fireonlive> | oh he was responsible for one of those scam bullshit things? lame |
| 03:46:24 | <fireonlive> | backdoored (😏) task manager eh? |
| 03:47:36 | <nicolas17> | bonk |
| 03:50:06 | <pabs> | yay ikiwiki gets a new maintainer https://jmtd.net/log/a_bug_a_day/ |
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| 04:21:31 | <fireonlive> | 😵💫 |
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| 04:42:43 | <nukke> | I somehow missed this https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/introducing-didthis-a-new-app-for-hobbyists/ |
| 04:44:33 | <@JAA> | > You can try Didthis on the Web by visiting https://didthis.app. Our Web app works on both desktop and mobile devices. |
| 04:44:43 | <@JAA> | > Interested in our upcoming Android or web apps? Join the wait list |
| 04:44:52 | <@JAA> | Funny, my interest immediately evaporated. |
| 04:44:59 | <anarcat> | wtf |
| 04:45:09 | <anarcat> | didn't they shutdown some social thing recently? |
| 04:45:30 | <nukke> | Mozilla is gonna have a hard time picking between the 3 people signed up for the wait list |
| 04:46:20 | <nicolas17> | x_x |
| 04:47:34 | <@JAA> | anarcat: They shut down Hubs (virtual world thing) and massively reduced their Mastodon instance team. |
| 04:49:54 | <@JAA> | TIL there used to be a version of Firefox specifically for VR headsets (called Firefox Reality) until they buried it in 2022. |
| 04:49:59 | <nukke> | Didn't they just get a new CEO like a month ago? |
| 04:50:54 | <anarcat> | JAA: that |
| 04:53:51 | <immibis> | Mozilla behaving like a for profit corporation instead of just the stewards of Firefox and thunderbird - what else is new? |
| 04:54:08 | <fireonlive> | didn't they jettison thunderbird? |
| 04:54:12 | <fireonlive> | but yeah. :/ |
| 04:54:26 | <nukke> | Oh yeah I remember that! It was honestly not great. It was extra annoying cause sites (CNN.com) could wake up your headset by just visiting the page |
| 04:54:38 | <immibis> | thunderbird didn't have to change its name because of lawyer threats so I assume not |
| 04:54:42 | <nukke> | Thunderbird is no longer Mozilla, btw |
| 04:55:09 | <immibis> | Like how every slightly modified version of Firefox isn't allowed to be called Firefox |
| 04:55:11 | <nukke> | Mozilla also dropped Servo and Rust 😭 |
| 04:55:31 | <nukke> | Blunder after blunder |
| 04:55:49 | <fireonlive> | servo :( |
| 04:56:09 | <immibis> | oh no my new JavaScript framework of the year 2014 died! |
| 04:56:18 | <fireonlive> | browser rendering engine* |
| 04:56:40 | <fireonlive> | like blink/gecko |
| 04:56:42 | <immibis> | rust rewrites === javascript frameworks |
| 04:56:53 | <fireonlive> | ah |
| 04:57:52 | <pabs> | I think servo got picked up by Igalia |
| 04:58:05 | <pabs> | https://news.itsfoss.com/servo-rust-web-engine/ |
| 04:58:26 | <fireonlive> | oh nice |
| 04:58:40 | <immibis> | my dream language that probably wouldn't actually work that well but I'd still like to try would be C integrated with invariants and proofs. Every safe language like Rust is just trying to find a convenient subset of that. |
| 04:58:46 | <pabs> | (Igalia do lots of FOSS web engine and other core things) |
| 04:59:21 | <immibis> | (when I call it a dream language this means it doesn't exist, not that it's good) |
| 04:59:34 | <fireonlive> | let's all write in HolyC :) |
| 04:59:52 | | pabs notes that things like Idris and Haskell exist already |
| 05:01:04 | <fireonlive> | in checking the style of 'HolyC' i found this: https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/zapxmh/comment/iymwqya/ |
| 05:01:27 | <fireonlive> | >"The Zeal Operating System is a modernized, professional fork of the 64-bit Temple Operating System, TempleOS." |
| 05:01:27 | <fireonlive> | > https://zealos.net/ https://github.com/Zeal-Operating-System/ZealOS |
| 05:01:27 | <fireonlive> | >A large part of their project is an update to HolyC called ZealC. |
| 05:01:34 | <fireonlive> | TIL |
| 05:03:39 | <fireonlive> | https://zeal-operating-system.github.io/ < neat |
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| 05:09:44 | <@hook54321> | honestly a laptop lottery is a little tempting https://computers.woot.com/offers/mystery-laptop-grade-a-refurbished-3 |
| 05:11:09 | <fireonlive> | ooh i remember woot |
| 05:12:26 | <fireonlive> | sadly usa only |
| 05:12:34 | <fireonlive> | (still; except for shirt.woot) |
| 05:12:34 | <@hook54321> | and they're owned by amazon now |
| 05:15:34 | <fireonlive> | oh; even weirder |
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| 05:32:08 | <nukke> | Damn that's actually a decent gamble! Up to a 9th gen, 80% likelihood to get 1080p screen, less than zero chance of getting 32GB of RAM |
| 05:32:34 | <nukke> | I ordered one. I survived Boeing, so I'm taking my chances here |
| 05:33:00 | <@JAA> | > less than zero chance |
| 05:34:38 | <nukke> | Don't jinx it JAA |
| 05:35:02 | <@JAA> | What does a negative chance even mean? :-) |
| 05:36:54 | <@JAA> | Maybe it means that there's a chance you will have to give them 32 GB of RAM. |
| 05:36:56 | <nukke> | Oh lol! More than zero percent* |
| 05:37:11 | <@JAA> | :-P |
| 05:45:00 | <immibis> | pabs: do you really think that Haskell is equivalent to C with invariant proving? |
| 05:49:18 | <fireonlive> | s/v(?!.+v)/b/ |
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| 06:05:11 | <fireonlive> | https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-supreme-court-approves-51m-settlement-for-facebook-users |
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| 06:14:23 | <@JAA> | > Original error: upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: overflow |
| 06:14:26 | <@JAA> | RIP Wikipedia |
| 06:20:12 | <fireonlive> | RIP |
| 06:20:19 | <that_lurker> | o7 |
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| 12:25:41 | <nukke> | https://www.cloudfest.com/world-server-throwing-championship |
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| 13:03:43 | <nstrom|m> | Lol |
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| 13:57:58 | <immibis> | The secretary of the Apache Software Foundation is an open neonazi and I'm not sure where to bring attention to that fact. |
| 13:58:17 | <Jon> | Matt Sicker? |
| 13:58:51 | <immibis> | Yes |
| 13:59:48 | <immibis> | If you think I'm exaggerating that, go look up his mastodon feed (and I suggest finding it yourself so you know I'm not giving you a false link) |
| 14:01:24 | <nukke> | oh boy, that feed. he's certainly deranged but neonazi? |
| 14:02:34 | <immibis> | what do you feel is the difference between what you see and neonazism? |
| 14:03:30 | <immibis> | is it because he wants to gas the Muslims instead of the Jews? Kinda irrelevant difference IMO |
| 14:05:47 | <Jon> | I haven't seen anything saying "gas the muslims" but I haven't read it exhaustively (and I won't). I see plenty of polar-opposite-of-neonazi posts. But again I'm not going to study this guy, any further really |
| 14:12:56 | <immibis> | pretending that mostly reasonable people want to gas the jews is not the polar opposite of neonazism, it's a deflection and confusion tactic |
| 14:14:33 | <immibis> | it's the whole "woke leftists are genociding white people" schtick |
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| 14:36:36 | <immibis> | well I hopefully contacted 3 apache board members for comment |
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| 15:17:47 | <magmaus3> | https://yearning.gay/objects/ca13a99b-d43b-4af1-aa4c-2fe9cb82996f |
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| 15:33:36 | <@arkiver> | immibis: this is not the place for discussing this |
| 15:38:26 | <yano> | time to patch your kernels, https://github.com/Notselwyn/CVE-2024-1086 |
| 15:38:47 | <@arkiver> | immibis: especially labeling of individuals or perceived as being (neo)nazi's (or fascists, or some side of a political spectrum) is not what archive team is here for |
| 15:41:57 | <@arkiver> | so please leave discussions of whether someone is "neonazi" or not out of here. those discussions can be very polarising (as in "you're either for or against us"), and Archive Team should stay a welcoming place to all those who are interested in web archiving, which is what we're here for |
| 15:44:41 | <@arkiver> | (and to be clear - i'm talking about any labeling of individuals or "groups". also calling people "fascists", "left/right wing", or whatever other similar labels) |
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| 15:54:08 | <imer> | yano: "The exploit may be unstable on systems with a lot of network activity" we're saved :D |
| 16:17:59 | <yano> | imer: :D lol |
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| 16:23:45 | <fireonlive> | nicolas17: bash.org is back? (as a 0 byte text/html document) |
| 16:32:49 | <kiska> | nukke: I think I win that throwing challenge, I am a freight handler and I can precisely throw servers :D |
| 16:34:12 | <fireonlive> | kiska: you did threaten to throw a UPS at me at some point :P |
| 16:34:27 | <kiska> | :D |
| 16:36:12 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 16:36:23 | <kiska> | Dell would be happy with me :D |
| 16:36:39 | <kiska> | Many xe9640 flew through the air |
| 16:36:52 | <fireonlive> | :3 |
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| 17:16:01 | <nicolas17> | 1:26 a.m.: The ship begins to change course toward the Key Bridge's pillar. |
| 17:16:02 | <nicolas17> | 1:27 a.m.: The ship hits the Key Bridge, quickly causing it to collapse, the US Coast Guard said. The Coast Guard immediately deploys personnel to the scene. |
| 17:16:03 | <nicolas17> | 1:40 a.m.: The 911 center dispatches call to Baltimore City Fire Department (BCFD) for reports of water rescue in the Patapsco River. |
| 17:16:05 | <nicolas17> | 1:50 a.m.: The first fire unit arrives on the scene and reports a complete collapse of Key Bridge. |
| 17:16:06 | <nicolas17> | 3:35 a.m.: bridge=collapsed tag added on OpenStreetMap: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/149162713 |
| 17:16:08 | <nicolas17> | pretty good OSM response time (?) |
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| 18:51:51 | <nukke> | https://news.yahoo.com/biologist-says-sun-may-conscious-100057236.html |
| 18:55:23 | <ymgve> | OSM seems to have issues |
| 18:55:43 | <ymgve> | the bridge is in a schroedinger cat state where it exists/does not exist depending on zoom level and grid |
| 18:57:20 | <myself> | yeah, the tile server doesn't re-render the higher-level tiles very often, give it a day. |
| 19:09:15 | <fireonlive> | love it |
| 19:09:32 | <fireonlive> | it's like wikimedia rushing to change everything to past tense when someone dies |
| 19:11:30 | <Terbium> | there's probably an AI bot that scans news articles already that automatically pushes updates to Wikipedia |
| 19:12:59 | <Terbium> | RSS feed for AP/Reuters + ChatGPT API + Wikipedia Update Python script = profit |
| 19:14:17 | <fireonlive> | i could see that :3 |
| 19:15:09 | <ymgve> | wikipedia probably has scrambled to add anti-AI stuff |
| 19:15:19 | <ymgve> | more than 2 paragraphs? gtfo |
| 19:16:34 | <fireonlive> | oh lord |
| 19:16:47 | <fireonlive> | i can see their end but hmmm that's a hard battle |
| 19:17:55 | <ymgve> | worst case they can add a button that says "this goes to the last edit before chatgpt went public" |
| 19:25:20 | <fireonlive> | 'before the collapse of society, here were the sacred texts' |
| 19:30:14 | <Terbium> | AI text is getting more difficult to detect, not sure what countermeasures wikipedia has besides basic anti bot features |
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| 19:42:02 | <fireonlive> | one thing WM must never do is give out bounties for editing their wikis.. |
| 19:42:12 | <fireonlive> | it'll be like curl's hackerone all over again |
| 19:43:56 | <ymgve> | while it won't solve everything, it would solve a lot if you could enter a snippet of text into an openai service and it would go "yes I wrote this" or "no I did not write this" |
| 19:44:06 | <ymgve> | they definitely log everything they generate already |
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| 20:29:07 | <fireonlive> | there's still the bunch of competitors as well as local llms too |
| 20:41:11 | <fireonlive> | https://youtu.be/OnInR56pXuI?t=128 |
| 20:41:52 | <fireonlive> | huh |
| 20:43:45 | <fireonlive> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVdVpd-pqcM a little less overexposed |
| 20:44:13 | <fireonlive> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mULzspJZuf8 < ah the source |
| 20:45:41 | <thuban> | o_o |
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| 20:54:23 | <fireonlive> | yeah :c |
| 20:54:27 | <fireonlive> | live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83a7h3kkgPg |
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| 22:06:23 | <nicolas17> | ugh why does openstreetmap use bz2 for its xml exports ._. it's so damn slow to decompress |
| 22:15:22 | <fireonlive> | Unicode Separated Values (USV): https://github.com/SixArm/usv |
| 22:17:34 | <fireonlive> | on HN from forever ago and also 24d ago from the creator asking how to standardize it: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FSixArm%2Fusv |
| 22:21:22 | <@JAA> | > Unicode |
| 22:21:29 | <@JAA> | > uses only ASCII control characters |
| 22:21:32 | <@JAA> | ok :-) |
| 22:22:33 | <@JAA> | Oh, it also supports the 'symbol for' Unicode characters. Thanks, I hate it. |
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| 22:45:14 | <fireonlive> | yeah the either or there is... really weird lol |
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| 22:48:09 | <ymgve> | lol https://hails.org/@hailey/112147785725190189 |
| 22:49:53 | <nukke> | C++ is the JavaScript of system langs |
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| 23:12:54 | <@JAA> | Obligatory: https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/11wg4z/C++.gif |
| 23:51:26 | <fireonlive> | https://x.com/windaesthetic/status/1772743428293500950?s=12 |
| 23:51:28 | <fireonlive> | :O |
| 23:52:08 | <fireonlive> | the whole thread is good, but the nice part is the iso has been uploaded to IA! https://x.com/windaesthetic/status/1772772610952118399?s=12 |
| 23:52:46 | <fireonlive> | ah ye twstalker exists: https://twstalker.com/WindAesthetic/status/1772743231542804779 |