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| 02:37:41 | <@OrIdow6> | nukke: I am wildly skeptical of that thread |
| 02:38:47 | <nicolas17> | "kids these days" definitely do not know how to use a computer despite it looking like they do |
| 02:38:56 | <@OrIdow6> | "People younger than me are all stupid!" has been a complaint since like 1000 BC |
| 02:39:35 | <@OrIdow6> | And a lot of the peanut-gallery comments there seem to be politically motivated - "to date, all empires have collapsed, and there's less and less reason every day to think the American one will be the first exception to that" |
| 02:40:24 | <@OrIdow6> | The providers of stories can't agree when this change happened - the pandemic? 6 years ago? sometime before 20 years ago? |
| 02:41:10 | <nicolas17> | in the case of computers I don't think there was a particular change, it's more that adults think "kids are digital natives and know more about computers than we ever did" and that's false |
| 02:41:25 | <nicolas17> | and the problem is that false perception |
| 02:41:54 | <nicolas17> | yes you do need to still teach kids how to use computers at school, they don't "natively know everything" because they use mom's smartphone |
| 02:44:03 | <nicolas17> | http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ |
| 02:44:13 | <TheTechRobo> | ^ |
| 02:49:08 | <@JAA> | And the only reason why it's been a complaint since 1000 BC is because don't have good records from before then. |
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| 03:06:11 | <@JAA> | > Ask them what https means and why it is important and they'll look at you as if you're speaking Klingon. |
| 03:06:21 | <@JAA> | > site does not support HTTPS. |
| 03:08:45 | <TheTechRobo> | lol |
| 03:09:44 | <fireonlive> | 🤦♂️ |
| 03:09:51 | <@OrIdow6> | On the article, I agree with most of what he says, I think his diagnosis of why this happens is mostly on point - and I think the strongest cause is something he discusses, (to put it in my own terms) that narrow window where computers were advanced enough to be justified outside of institutional settings but not advanced enough that you didn't have to become a mini-computer-expert to use them |
| 03:10:17 | <fireonlive> | did the "nice man" behind http://scripting.com host that site |
| 03:10:18 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 03:10:57 | <@OrIdow6> | But (and a big part of this is me being contrarian) I have more of an ambivalent attitude towards the notion that this is a bad thing - people only have so much attention, better that they put it towards whatever is important in the future, than the computers, cars, electricity, etc. of previous centuries |
| 03:12:05 | <fireonlive> | wow, his personal site has https: https://davewiner.com/ |
| 03:12:06 | <@OrIdow6> | Also, and I don't know what the significance of this is, that article was written over a decade ago and at the time I was one of the kids in question |
| 03:12:10 | <fireonlive> | did someone die and take his place |
| 03:12:24 | <fireonlive> | (also wow that's a site0 |
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| 03:24:10 | <nicolas17> | OrIdow6: even if it's not a bad thing, people need to recognize the reality, rather than repeating "these days the kids know more about computers than the teachers" |
| 03:24:44 | <fireonlive> | oh someone else set up a bash.org archive https://bash-org-archive.com/ |
| 03:24:54 | <fireonlive> | no ads either it seems |
| 03:25:01 | <nicolas17> | omg |
| 03:25:13 | <fireonlive> | i still like my text iles |
| 03:25:14 | <fireonlive> | ;) |
| 03:25:46 | <fireonlive> | i wonder if mine has everything theirs does |
| 03:26:15 | <fireonlive> | has the latest one at least |
| 03:28:07 | <nicolas17> | https://bash-org-archive.com/?576041 |
| 03:29:01 | | fireonlive 🤔 |
| 03:35:00 | <nicolas17> | https://twitter.com/zephray_wenting/status/1761548861896606014 |
| 03:35:01 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/zephray_wenting/status/1761548861896606014 |
| 03:36:17 | <fireonlive> | >Justice Tech Solutions Securebook 5 |
| 03:38:30 | <fireonlive> | >System will not boot continue. |
| 03:38:31 | <fireonlive> | lol |
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| 19:01:57 | <nukke> | https://twitter.com/the_imagisphere/status/1761733058582208656 neat |
| 19:01:57 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/the_imagisphere/status/1761733058582208656 |
| 19:04:02 | <fireonlive> | :o |
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| 20:29:23 | <@hook54321> | https://web.archive.org/web/19971007193108/http://www.ice.com/canon/index.htpl |
| 20:41:28 | <fireonlive> | oh my |
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| 21:11:55 | <myself> | Not dense enough to even serve as a boat anchor. |
| 21:22:30 | <@JAA> | TIL find -ls, that's neat. |
| 21:48:11 | <nicolas17> | neat |
| 22:18:12 | | pixel leaves |
| 22:47:45 | <fireonlive> | +rss- So Google's Gemini Doesn't Like Python Programming and Sanskrit?: https://new.pythonforengineers.com/blog/so-evidently/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39504788 |
| 22:47:53 | <fireonlive> | “im sorry discussing caching is dangerous” |
| 22:48:01 | <fireonlive> | lmao |
| 22:49:53 | <thuban> | "(Side note: Why don't I know? In my defence, Hinduism does have 33 million gods, it gets a bit tiring after the 1st 12 million. Besides everyone in India worships the Goddess of Wealth, poor Saraswati sits there in the corner all alone)." aw |
| 22:55:10 | <thuban> | (op seems to have mixed up decorators and generators: https://docs.python.org/3/library/functools.html#functools.cache) |
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| 22:58:38 | <nicolas17> | and not a minor brainfart while typing it, he seems to have mixed them up several times throughout the post |
| 23:01:15 | <eggdrop> | [remind] JAA: Is Nitter dead yet? |
| 23:03:38 | <@JAA> | Mostly? |
| 23:04:11 | <@JAA> | Profile pages still seem to work on nitter.net. |
| 23:06:25 | <@JAA> | Can't get a single tweet to load though. |
| 23:06:46 | <@JAA> | Oh, and just as I say that, it does load. Only took several dozen refreshes. lol |
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| 23:45:52 | <fireonlive> | haha |