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00:07:23<@JAA>Reason #18237 why Mastodon v4's interface sucks: because it uses JS for everything, the browser can't remember your scroll position on refreshing.
00:07:54<nicolas17>for fuck's sake
00:08:00<nicolas17>I was taking a shower and something like 20 mosquitos slowly accumulated on the ceiling
00:08:00<Barto>seriously?
00:08:16<Barto>that v4 interface was undertested...
00:08:35<Barto>nicolas17: they found their pray!
00:08:44<nicolas17>:notlikethis:
00:08:57<Barto>prey* maybe :P
00:09:06<@JAA>That's one way of putting it, I guess. It's just shitty design though. :-)
00:24:13<fireonlive>mastodon pls
00:24:27<fireonlive>nicolas17: did you get a good sucking
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02:50:09<nicolas17>like any sane queue system, rabbitmq lets consumers get an item from the queue and manually acknowledge it when they're done processing that item, so that if the consumer dies, the item gets redelivered to a different consumer
02:50:28<nicolas17>however, acknowledgements are tied to the channel = TCP connection
02:51:00<nicolas17>messages have to be acknowledged on the same connection where they were delivered
02:51:43<nicolas17>that's so weird
02:52:20<@JAA>Makes sense, that's probably how it tracks whether the consumer is still alive.
02:52:37<nicolas17>in fact I think if your TCP connection to rabbitmq dies, all delivered unacknowledged messages are immediately redelivered
02:53:00<@JAA>Yup, as I suspected.
02:54:42<@JAA>Since the consumer can be more or less anything, it's hard to generically track whether it's still alive.
02:54:59<nicolas17>AWS SQS handles it via extensible timeouts
02:55:22<nicolas17>since it's all HTTP, it can't rely on persistent TCP connections
02:55:29<@JAA>So the consumer periodically tells the messenger that it's still alive?
02:55:46<anarcat>was there a definitive on idling disks for cold storage?
02:56:19<anarcat>_MINIO_DISK_ACTIVE_MONITORING was so promising, it's odd that "the scanner will run continuously"
02:56:34<nicolas17>JAA: if tasks have a somewhat predictable runtime, you just set the message timeout to how long they take plus some reasonable margin, if a message isn't acknowledged in that time then it's re-delivered
02:57:04<nicolas17>if the runtime is variable, the consumer can periodically extend the timeout to say "still working on it"
02:57:29<@JAA>Right
02:58:38<@JAA>anarcat: Don't think so, or if avatar found something, they didn't share it here. :-/
02:59:11<anarcat>i can't help but think this is a low-hanging fruit for minio
02:59:12<nicolas17>anyway this means I clearly can't map tracker /request to dequeueing from rabbitmq and /done to acknowledging the message :P
03:01:34<nicolas17>restarting the tracker web app would close the connection and nack all pending tasks
03:03:21<myself>anarcat: it seems a lot of unraid folks spin down their idle disks, I don't remember whether your situation might fit that solution
03:04:00<anarcat>... unraid?
03:04:07<anarcat>it wasn't actually for me, but i'm curious for work as well
03:05:42<@JAA>Proprietary OS for media servers thingy
03:06:04<anarcat>irrelevant then?
03:06:37<anarcat>i mean maybe SCO UNIX spins down its drives too :p
03:07:48<@JAA>They have some custom RAID-ish stuff for disk management, kind of like mergerfs + parity I think.
03:09:17<nicolas17>lol, apparently you install unraid OS to a USB flash drive
03:09:31<nicolas17>and they associate your license with the serial number of the flash drive
03:09:56<@JAA>It's all the rage on /r/DataHoarder, I believe, which already tells you all you need to know about it. :-)
03:10:05<fireonlive>they wat
03:10:39<nicolas17>if you copy the USB drive to another, it won't work
03:11:23<fireonlive>@_@
03:12:14<nicolas17>you can transfer your license to a new one
03:12:20<nicolas17>"Replacing your Unraid USB Flash Device transfers the license to a new USB Flash Device. Once this is done, the previous Flash device is blacklisted and cannot be used with Unraid going forward. This action cannot be undone."
03:12:53<@OrIdow6>Sounds like a long-term storage solution to me!
03:13:31<nicolas17>a hardware license dongle sounds like exactly what I want my data backups to depend on (:
03:14:46<fireonlive>>This action cannot be undone.
03:14:49<fireonlive>:3
03:29:07<anarcat>i'm sure that is not copyright infringement at all
03:29:42<nicolas17>because of linux?
03:30:28<anarcat>among other things yes
03:30:43<anarcat>according to wikipedia, you can binwalk your way through the binary to fetch the source code
03:30:51<anarcat>i doubt that is compliant
03:35:34<nicolas17>apparently it's just a filesystem image
03:35:58<nicolas17>and whoever wrote that in the wikipedia article doesn't know how to mount a filesystem image and recommended binwalk instead?
03:38:01<nicolas17>hmmm ok this seems non-compliant for different reasons
03:38:20<nicolas17>they provide patches to the kernel
03:38:34<nicolas17>that's not enough, they need to provide the Complete Corresponding Sources
03:41:15<anarcat>yep
03:41:30<nicolas17>pretty sure there's plenty of GPL'd userland tools in here too
03:45:07<fireonlive>we need the opensource legal fund
03:45:11<fireonlive>go around suing everyone
03:45:15<fireonlive>:d
03:45:31<fireonlive>like patent trolls, but opensource
03:46:11<pabs>https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/
03:46:17<pabs>^ you can donate there :)
03:46:26<fireonlive>ooh :3
03:46:37<pabs>their Vizio lawsuit is awesome https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html
03:46:50<pabs>if they win, then everyone gets to sue over GPL compliance :)
03:47:49<pabs>(cus the GPL is (also) a contract, and everyone is a third-party beneficiary of that contract)
03:50:09<@JAA>Oh, only 5 weeks until trial. :-)
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03:53:44<fireonlive>^_^
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03:59:07<nicolas17>seems Vizio is trying to argue that "this is a copyright matter and only the copyright holder can sue us for it", not "we're innocent"
04:02:21<nicolas17>oh they're even saying "what we're doing constitutes copyright infringement"
04:02:39<nicolas17>actual quote "Defendant Vizio further argues that failure to provide the source code is a “condition” to the license, and therefore, its breach constitutes a copyright infringement."
04:03:29<nicolas17>if Vizio wins this case, I hope they get sued for copyright infringement by the actual copyright holders and they cite these statements as Vizio's admission that they are infringing copyright
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04:09:01<pabs>the fun thing is that Conservancy also represents the actual copyright holders :)
04:09:20<pabs>at least for Linux. the TVs also violate systemd and a bunch of other stuff
04:10:33<nicolas17>man
04:10:34<nicolas17>I keep reading
04:11:08<nicolas17>and Vizio keeps insisting and providing citations of prior cases to prove that... they are doing copyright infringement?
04:11:26pabs lol talk about digging your own grave :)
04:13:14<nicolas17>"Defendant Vizio concludes that like the Artistic License in Jacobsen, the GPLs condition the recipient’s right to copy and distribute software on providing the source code itself. [...] Thus, the use of the term “provided that” establishes a “condition” under California law (see Jacobsen, 535 F.3d at 1381), the violation of which gives rise to a claim for copyright infringement." therefore this is not a breach of contract, close the
04:13:15<nicolas17>case!
04:13:17<nicolas17>that's gonna backfire so bad
04:14:31<nicolas17>pabs: this reminds me of that joke "what's this gap in your resume, what were you doing in that period?" "I was in jail" "weren't you working for the Donald Trump presidential campaign?" "swear to god; jail"
04:15:01<@JAA>Are they arguing that 'because we don't give you the source code, you have no right to copy and distribute'?
04:15:58<nicolas17>JAA: they seem to be arguing that this is copyright infringement and not breach of contract so the SFC's "third-party beneficiary contract lawsuit" has no merit
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04:16:32<nicolas17>but in the process they're blatantly admitting to copyright infringement so I don't see this going well for them??
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05:21:59<fireonlive>-+rss- Serving a Website from a Git Repo Without Cloning It: https://mediocregopher.com/posts/git-proxy https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39425430
05:22:06<fireonlive>some of you might find neat
05:28:05<@JAA>Neat, but I'm missing a mention of how pack files completely ruin this idea.
05:41:32<fireonlive>hmm ye
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06:05:07<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/6f74afb85eb35f15/milk.png
06:05:10<fireonlive>…huh
06:05:21<fireonlive>never heard of grape
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06:13:30<fireonlive>https://pp.nginx.com/ :( mean
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10:42:01<that_lurker>at least it was not 411 or 416
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12:47:51<nulldata>https://twitter.com/vxunderground/status/1759454150658539963
12:47:51<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/vxunderground/status/1759454150658539963
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13:49:44<ymgve>lol, AIs are great
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13:49:51<ymgve>"Unfortunately, providing specific code examples or detailed instructions on interacting with printer drivers directly goes against my safety principles."
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14:05:05<myself>huh, I've seen my first youtube "post" today. It's like a description and a comments thread, not tied to a video.
14:05:51<myself>I imagine someone trying to archive a whole channel would want those too, I wonder what's the best way to save them.
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16:28:43<nicolas17>bruh
16:28:47<nicolas17>hackint TLS certificate expired
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16:38:35<fireonlive>which one tho they have like at least 5
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16:41:40<fireonlive>ima guess nuke tho
16:41:46<fireonlive>:p
16:42:10magmaus3 checks logs to figure out the context
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16:47:00<magmaus3>ah the certs
16:50:00<fireonlive>yee :3
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17:04:00<fireonlive>from #hackint/nicky: turns out it was ing.* (since fixed) and nuke is also resetting any connection attempts
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17:31:39<fireonlive>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B61DGG18
17:31:43<fireonlive>would you trust it? xP
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17:58:30<Exorcism>https://twitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/1759326049262019025
17:58:30<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/AzakaSekai_/status/1759326049262019025
17:58:44<nicolas17>fireonlive: I would test it first for sure
18:00:35<nukke>fireonlive: I have the 128gb one. write speeds are atrocious but it's fine if you use it for ventoy :P
18:03:01<nukke>it's probably cheaper to get an external ssd adapter (orico, sabrent) and a cheap 2.5" ssd, but you'll sacrifice portability
18:06:23<katia>CA$32 does not even seem that cheap
18:07:55<nukke>that's about $10 usd
18:08:13<katia>oh wow :D
18:08:29<katia>i thought it was closer than that to € but i guess not
18:08:43<nukke>lol I'm jk it's ~$24 usd, just making fun of cad
18:09:07<katia>a
18:09:10<katia>19EUR here
18:23:22<kiska>fireonlive: I think that is a rebadged sandisk
19:38:38<steering>more likely to be a knockoff, IMO... it is on amazon after all :P
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19:54:53<Exorcism><Exorcism> "https://twitter.com/AzakaSekai_..." <- https://twitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/1759456950562308541?t=Y_yvIGgJAbhVQUDMOP-RNQ&s=19
19:54:53<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/AzakaSekai_... https://farside.link/nitter/AzakaSekai_/status/1759456950562308541
20:02:38<katia>are any of the 37c3 replays archived? the psyops talk has stuff cut out :(
20:06:14<nicolas17>wtf
20:06:29<nicolas17>on purpose?
20:06:43<nicolas17>maybe ask 37c3 team, they should have the raw videos and if it was cut incorrectly they'll want to fix it
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20:40:42<fireonlive>:(
20:52:34<fireonlive>!tell arkiver welcome back :D
20:52:34<eggdrop>[tell] ok, I'll tell arkiver when they join next
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21:11:37<nicolas17>https://github.com/awein/SleepProxyClient/wiki/Sleep-Proxy-Property-Encoding#portability-metric
21:12:12<nicolas17>this is a network protocol that happens to have a "network device weight" field in a range of 1mg to 1 ton, I'm not sure if that's the most useful range to have
21:14:10<nicolas17>https://paste.debian.net/plain/1307873
21:16:47<katia>might be only the youtube upload
21:31:38<nukke>https://www.404media.co/spencers-vibrator-malware-reddit/
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22:24:54<flashfire42>Behind a fucking login wall
22:29:43<fireonlive>https://old.reddit.com/r/Malware/comments/1asn02v/malware_from_a_vibrator/
22:34:24<steering>https://tria.ge/240217-fbl85abf45/behavioral4 -> GET
22:34:25<steering>https://api.chucknorris.io/jokes/random
22:34:48<steering>vibrator malware comes with demand-downloaded chuck norris jokes...?
22:35:07<nukke>it's a feature.
22:35:30<@JAA>Kinky
22:35:37<steering>Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked the black off Michael Jackson
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23:34:04<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/vxunderground/status/1759693943942287543
23:34:04<eggdrop>nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/vxunderground/status/1759693943942287543
23:34:09<fireonlive>oh wow, rip lockbit :o
23:37:55<nukke>End of an era
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