| 00:00:15 | <nulldata> | https://youtu.be/56akjq3YKRQ - Fucking sad what happened |
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| 02:30:43 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/67857c5518d9f4a4/image.png |
| 02:30:58 | <fireonlive> | messages.app is great software on both macos and ios |
| 02:30:59 | <nicolas17> | you're being hacked |
| 02:31:09 | <fireonlive> | it always crashes |
| 02:31:12 | <fireonlive> | lol |
| 02:31:33 | <katia> | 1 0day = 1 crash |
| 02:31:38 | <katia> | put like if u agree |
| 02:31:40 | <fireonlive> | ever since my 100GB+ single conversation icloud saga |
| 02:31:43 | <fireonlive> | katia++ |
| 02:31:44 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'katia' now has 1 karma! |
| 02:32:06 | <nicolas17> | well I'm fighting whatsapp |
| 02:32:24 | <nicolas17> | apparently if you delete a contact from your iOS address book, WhatsApp deletes the chat history with that person |
| 02:32:39 | <nicolas17> | despite WhatsApp help explicitly saying the opposite |
| 02:33:33 | <nicolas17> | how in the world can I possibly do a bug report |
| 02:33:58 | <nicolas17> | I asked someone who worked at Facebook |
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| 02:34:52 | <nicolas17> | he said that 1. the internal bug tracker was "abused" in 2022 so it got more restricted now (I guess developers working on an app can't file internal bugs on a different unrelated app?) |
| 02:35:03 | <nicolas17> | so I imagine I have no hope of contacting them from the outside |
| 02:35:09 | <nicolas17> | 2. he actually no longer works there -.- |
| 02:37:42 | <fireonlive> | <nicolas17> apparently if you delete a contact from your iOS address book, WhatsApp deletes the chat history with that person < wat |
| 02:37:54 | <fireonlive> | and .... wow |
| 02:37:58 | <fireonlive> | sounds like shit company |
| 02:38:37 | <nicolas17> | https://faq.whatsapp.com/501426001880430/?cms_platform=iphone&helpref=platform_switcher |
| 02:38:51 | <nicolas17> | "Deleting a contact from your phone's address book won't delete the chat history you have with them." |
| 02:38:57 | <nicolas17> | well it fucking does, I tested it, now what |
| 02:39:15 | <fireonlive> | click the 'no' in the bottom right and say it's wrong i guess |
| 02:39:20 | <fireonlive> | then be happy that went to /dev/null |
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| 05:11:13 | <voltagex|m> | anyone got an archiver that can download entire GitHub organisations? Note that WARC archiving is effectively useless here. https://github.com/orgs/skiff-org |
| 05:11:44 | <voltagex|m> | and hooboy do I have Feelings about AT's scraping of GitHub (the archives aren't really useful except for proving a repo existed) |
| 05:15:09 | <nicolas17> | #gitgud |
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| 06:43:24 | <fireonlive> | uh |
| 06:43:25 | <fireonlive> | https://www.joom.com/geek/en/stores/62f64f81a96fa268df9eaa2e |
| 06:43:28 | <fireonlive> | annnd they're gone |
| 06:43:38 | <fireonlive> | https://www.joom.com/geek/en/products/62f661838ed09b01ebd4e0e2 "This product is no longer available on our website" |
| 06:43:59 | <fireonlive> | can a non-canadian confirm they see that too? |
| 06:46:30 | <flashfire42> | Still says I can purchase it but I didnt try and go to the cart |
| 06:51:14 | <fireonlive> | ah thanks |
| 06:51:18 | <fireonlive> | must be a geoblock perhaps |
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| 06:58:47 | <nukke> | says sold out for me |
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| 07:23:05 | <fireonlive> | ah here's what i see: https://dl.fireon.live/irc/315bfe0fbb9d1e5c/stores-62f64f81a96fa268df9eaa2e.png https://dl.fireon.live/irc/48b5ef27cbb5ab13/products-62f661838ed09b01ebd4e0e2 ".png |
| 07:23:22 | <fireonlive> | op |
| 07:23:24 | <fireonlive> | oop |
| 07:23:31 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/48b5ef27cbb5ab13/products-62f661838ed09b01ebd4e0e2.png |
| 07:23:48 | <fireonlive> | blurred out photos on the first and then the second one says it's just not on the website at all |
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| 07:41:51 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/109df3019e482f95/archiveteam-deepfakes.png |
| 07:41:55 | <fireonlive> | we're doing deepfakes now? |
| 07:41:55 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 08:33:47 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/823079483917893632 |
| 08:33:47 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/SwiftOnSecurity/status/823079483917893632 |
| 08:33:54 | <fireonlive> | on Pokémon |
| 08:36:34 | <thuban> | is there a good way to manually reorder files in a tar archive? |
| 08:36:35 | <thuban> | (i'm getting poor performance out of zst and i'm pretty sure it's because the files with duplicate data are too far apart in the directory walk) |
| 08:37:25 | <thuban> | s/reorder files in a tar/order files when creating a tar/ |
| 08:39:31 | <thuban> | hm, i think `-T` will do what i want |
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| 08:53:40 | <fireonlive> | -+rss- Waymo car vandalized and lit on fire in San Francisco: https://twitter.com/michael_vandi/status/1756550257851449372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39333081 |
| 08:53:40 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/michael_vandi/status/1756550257851449372 |
| 08:53:47 | <fireonlive> | tweet contains videos |
| 08:54:31 | <fireonlive> | "light that shit on fire!" ~ man in video |
| 09:25:53 | <thuban> | yep, that seems to be working (now that i've generated a _file_ list, ie without directories...) |
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| 12:00:09 | <Barto> | fireonlive: still available in CH, i have an opportunity to start smuggling those to your place |
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| 12:19:09 | <Barto> | fireonlive: and there i am wondering if i should buy the wifi module :P |
| 12:31:17 | <katia> | Barto, i have it and i only used it rarely |
| 12:31:36 | <katia> | it's a bit finnicky to get working because it's actually an ESP32 so you need to flash it and the flipper talks to it |
| 12:31:52 | <katia> | but it's fun i suppose :p |
| 12:32:00 | <katia> | worth the 20€ or however little it costed |
| 12:32:27 | <katia> | and you can always reuse it for other stuff/solder a microsd slot so you can boot it directly(iirc?)/... |
| 12:40:28 | <Barto> | i'm no hardware tinkerer tho |
| 12:41:07 | <Barto> | so, prolly a no to me since i can simply install aircrack, i guess |
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| 12:49:51 | <katia> | you don't need to be hardware tinkerer to use it for its designated purpose Barto |
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| 12:57:00 | <Barto> | :-) |
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| 17:14:10 | <myself> | voltagex|m: I've used https://gist.github.com/benbalter/059b0e6c14c09cb4aae5 in the past, but I'm not sure it does everything you want. |
| 17:18:17 | <kiska> | fireonlive: I have made a mistake https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/50eea78d6720388a/image.png |
| 17:19:21 | <@JAA> | The master.zip is not a 'mirror' by any stretch of imagination. |
| 17:20:09 | <@JAA> | (Nor is a simple `git clone`.) |
| 17:20:24 | <@JAA> | #gitgud (and for the more general case of VCS stuff, #codearchiver ) |
| 17:24:30 | <kiska> | Sad... https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/049135a61f9e5844/image.png |
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| 17:38:51 | <myself> | Is there anything about WORM tapes that makes them physically incapable of being rewritten, or is it just drive firmware controls? If someone were to release or merely prove the existence of patched firmware that ignores the WORM bit in the media ID, would that cause a problem for legal and other processes that assume it's infallible? |
| 17:39:37 | <myself> | I've been reading about tape robots and I keep running across this notion of WORM media whose WORMness is simply taken as an article of faith, it's not like a CD-R where the medium is burned and can't be unburned, is it? |
| 17:44:19 | <kiska> | Well you can run a LTO through a deguasser and it'll be wiped :D |
| 17:48:25 | <myself> | yeah but then you've lost the servo tracks |
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| 17:49:10 | <myself> | I mean like, for slipping altered records into a tape that someone's going to testify is unaltered Because The Magic Bit Says So and there's nothing other than a CMP JNE saying so. |
| 17:52:58 | <myself> | It just strikes me as weird, like on the tech side there's some gentleman's wink-wink about how strong that protection is, but on the legal side it's treated as holy. That seems like the sort of gap that may cause trouble someday, unless it's stronger than I realize, like maybe there's some mixed-coercivity media that would leave a signature if |
| 17:52:59 | <myself> | it's rewritten, etc. |
| 17:55:20 | <@JAA> | Wikipedia claims that 'the servo tracks are slightly different to allow verification that data has not been modified'. |
| 17:57:37 | <myself> | Heh. And the citation for that line only supports the shell color, not the servo claim. |
| 17:58:00 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 17:58:08 | <@JAA> | Time to insert a [citation needed]. |
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| 20:14:12 | <fireonlive> | Barto: :D |
| 20:15:07 | <fireonlive> | kiska: oh nooo |
| 20:15:16 | <fireonlive> | rip frames |
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| 20:39:28 | <@JAA> | myself: Bonus points: both refs in the WORM section are dead. Even the first one, which goes to the WBM... Big oof. |
| 20:41:01 | <@JAA> | I found the second ref, at least, which also mentions the servo thing: https://community.hpe.com/t5/storeever-tape-storage/lto-3-worm-info/td-p/3758326 |
| 20:42:16 | <@JAA> | Follow the ultrium.com link for a little laugh. :-) |
| 20:45:24 | <Barto> | fireonlive: wifi module bought |
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| 20:45:38 | <Barto> | screw you canada |
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| 20:47:47 | <@JAA> | myself: Looks like you want to read the 'Cohasset Associates compliance assessment' that's allegedly somewhere in lto.org's resources section, but I can't find it. |
| 20:48:53 | <myself> | Yeah, I came up empty as well. Hmm. I wonder if there's some tech youtuber who I can nerdsnipe into attacking this... |
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| 20:53:19 | <@JAA> | myself: https://www.lto.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LTO-Cohasset-WhitePaper.pdf |
| 20:54:17 | <myself> | Ooo. |
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| 20:59:53 | <myself> | Yup, sounds like that's 100% implemented in firmware. The "special servo tracks" doesn't mean anything like a wobble that might show evidence of track widening on a second write pass, it's just an "I'm-a-WORM" bit set in the servo manufacturer's word which is written into the servo track. The drive firmware has to give a shit about that bit in |
| 20:59:53 | <myself> | order for it to mean anything. |
| 21:00:38 | <kiska> | Is that bit stored on the tape itself or somewhere else? Cause if its on the tape just run a degausser on it :D |
| 21:00:53 | <kiska> | And now you have a refurbished tape for use |
| 21:01:14 | <myself> | LTO tapes aren't reusable after they're degaussed, just like voicecoil hard-drives can't be low-level formatted; the tracking information is in the servo tracks. If you blank the servo tracks, the drive can't track the tape anymore. |
| 21:01:29 | <kiska> | hrm... |
| 21:01:46 | <myself> | That only works on media where the head alignment is so coarse it can be done mechanically, which means extremely old tape formats, or extremely old stepper-motor hard drives. Those, you can degauss and reuse. |
| 21:03:22 | <myself> | Which is why LTO tapes are so expensive -- if you could degauss them and promise someone that their proprietary info was gone and then resell the tape as blank, they'd be super cheap. But the erasing process takes hours, it's a full rewrite, so used media is pretty rare. (You'd think they could just block-overwrite the encryption key, but companies |
| 21:03:22 | <myself> | are dense like that.) |
| 21:03:48 | <kiska> | Which gen is expensive? |
| 21:04:07 | <kiska> | I can get an LTO5 tape for $20 AUD |
| 21:04:11 | <kiska> | Which is pretty cheap |
| 21:04:41 | <myself> | Prices scale with modernity. Most hobbyists are using 5 or 6 because the drives are somewhat affordable, and the media too, but 1.5TB per tape isn't exciting. |
| 21:05:29 | <kiska> | Brand new LTO7 tapes are $60 AUD |
| 21:05:33 | <kiska> | but no drives :D |
| 21:05:42 | <fireonlive> | Barto: :3 |
| 21:05:45 | <fireonlive> | canada bad |
| 21:05:52 | <kiska> | Australia good |
| 21:05:53 | <kiska> | :p |
| 21:06:06 | <fireonlive> | maaaaybe :p |
| 21:06:43 | <myself> | LTO8, for 12TB per tape, is like $55/tape and $7000 for the drive. I can get a reasonably nice car for that much. |
| 21:06:55 | <kiska> | fireonlive: Urgh the 30hz refresh is killing me |
| 21:07:35 | <myself> | But anyway, that doesn't matter, it sounds like the same wink-wink-the-firmware-says-its-WORM-trust-me-bro mechanism persists across generations, a proof that the emperor has no clothes would really fuck some legal things. |
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| 21:16:09 | <fireonlive> | kiska: smooth as vaseline uwu |
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| 21:25:52 | <BearFortress> | The HP LTO8 is $46.26 right now. Used drives aren't 7k. If you hoard enough data you can save enough to buy a car by going with tape instead of HDs, which have gone up recently. |
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| 21:39:24 | <fireonlive> | https://old.reddit.com/r/developer/comments/1aoeaj3/why_do_to_code_lag_into_software/ |
| 21:39:27 | <fireonlive> | w a t |
| 21:39:53 | <fireonlive> | also who needs cars when you have data? |
| 21:39:59 | <fireonlive> | 🥰 |
| 21:43:39 | <@JAA> | You add lag to the software whenever you add a new feature. When your manager later gives you the task to improve performance, you say it'll take a few weeks, enjoy your free time, and reduce the lag a bit at the end. Or so I've heard. |
| 21:54:30 | <fireonlive> | ooh good idea |
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| 22:13:27 | <fireonlive> | https://twitter.com/Prolotario1/status/1756385281295442108 |
| 22:13:27 | <eggdrop> | nitter: https://farside.link/nitter/Prolotario1/status/1756385281295442108 |
| 22:13:33 | <fireonlive> | someone sent me this and i don’t even |
| 22:46:54 | <nukke> | now it all makes sense :O |
| 22:49:59 | <fireonlive> | 💡 |
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| 23:02:39 | <@JAA> | The information age: leaving your S3 bucket publicly listable: https://informationage-production.s3.amazonaws.com/ |
| 23:02:50 | <nicolas17> | what's this |
| 23:03:05 | <@JAA> | Static files behind https://www.information-age.com/ it seems. |
| 23:03:13 | <nicolas17> | <script id="bw-fido2-page-script"/> what the *fuck* is that |
| 23:04:06 | <nicolas17> | ok I think it's something a browser extension is mis-injecting |
| 23:04:39 | <@JAA> | Ah Bitwarden |
| 23:05:34 | <nicolas17> | urgh |
| 23:06:56 | <fireonlive> | https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/it_incident_report_the_clock/ |
| 23:07:05 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 23:07:18 | <fireonlive> | i love leaky buckets 🪣💦 |
| 23:45:50 | <fireonlive> | https://xkcd.com/571/ |
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