| 00:00:55 | <fireonlive> | me to chatgpt: make a depressing story |
| 00:01:02 | <fireonlive> | chatgpt to me: here's something but the ending is happy |
| 00:01:09 | <fireonlive> | :| |
| 00:02:58 | <fireonlive> | speaking of sad, are people able to reach https://dl.fireon.live/irc/e4d2d1cb79ad4206/test.gif via IPv6? |
| 00:25:53 | <nstrom|m> | I can |
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| 00:28:40 | <fireonlive> | thanks! |
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| 00:34:05 | <fireonlive> | "Hold on there: WPA3 connections fail after 11 hours" https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2024/01/24/fail/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39135487 |
| 00:34:13 | <fireonlive> | >My conclusion: this entire ecosystem is deeply cursed. |
| 00:34:19 | <fireonlive> | agreed lol |
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| 02:11:06 | <fireonlive> | https://charlottebuff.com/unicode/misc/rejected-emoji-proposals/ |
| 02:50:34 | <fireonlive> | -+rss- Nitter Shutting Down: https://nitter.d420.de https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39161194 |
| 02:50:48 | <fireonlive> | one instance has thrown in the towel (with graphs) |
| 02:50:53 | <fireonlive> | s/graphs/graph/ |
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| 03:00:46 | <thuban> | was there a fork that logged in with real account credentials? or is it just privacydev's nsfw workaround |
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| 04:11:21 | <fireonlive> | hmm I can’t recall |
| 04:12:02 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/504cc8cf200a65cd/colour-tv.mp4 |
| 04:12:19 | <fireonlive> | neat |
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| 04:53:52 | <nicolas17> | I'm making some nice new findings for https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Codenames :) |
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| 05:05:44 | <fireonlive> | https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/26/24052067/mozilla-apple-ios-browser-rules-firefox |
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| 07:26:31 | <fireonlive> | pls PM me your passwords for safe keeping |
| 07:26:38 | <fireonlive> | tks ~ fol |
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| 10:09:47 | <Exorcism> | :3 |
| 10:09:52 | | Exorcism uploaded an image: (47KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/mint.lgbt/A7BcO0z8zSD9QMziV6JfG7sfrgoBDgHZ/image.png > |
| 10:10:18 | <fireonlive> | :o |
| 10:14:13 | <Exorcism> | if someone is interested https://escargot.chat/ |
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| 13:41:24 | <f_> | :o |
| 13:43:03 | <f_> | Exorcism: what does this use? XMPP? |
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| 14:17:35 | <joepie91|m> | f_: it uses the old MSN protocol |
| 14:17:47 | <f_> | Sure |
| 14:17:50 | <joepie91|m> | Escargot is a protocol-compatible MSN server implementation |
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| 17:42:23 | <SootBector> | nitter news :( what's a good channel to follow discussion on that? I see comments that this fork works with credentials for a standard account https://github.com/PrivacyDevel/nitter https://nitter.privacydev.net/ |
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| 17:50:43 | <Exorcism> | <joepie91|m> "Escargot is a protocol-compatibl..." <- Exactly :3 |
| 17:53:31 | <SootBector> | neat, should work with Trillian then |
| 17:58:24 | | SootBector reads nitter discussion in -bs |
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| 18:28:48 | <Barto> | :-) |
| 18:29:16 | <@JAA> | > Nitter Shutting Down |
| 18:29:32 | <@JAA> | Person 18429 who doesn't understand that it's one instance of Nitter, not Nitter in general. |
| 18:31:15 | <SootBector> | how much effort was it to get running Barto ? |
| 18:31:35 | <SootBector> | I am tempted to try the account-using fork |
| 18:32:01 | <SootBector> | wondering if the original has any gotchas to be aware of first |
| 18:43:25 | <hexa-> | https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1155#issuecomment-1913361757 |
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| 19:04:52 | <fireonlive> | no |
| 19:04:56 | <fireonlive> | :( |
| 19:04:58 | <SootBector> | no |
| 19:05:14 | <SootBector> | how's your weekend fireonlive ? |
| 19:05:55 | <fireonlive> | it’s a weekend 😅 |
| 19:05:59 | <fireonlive> | how’s yours? |
| 19:07:10 | <fireonlive> | discmaster: experimental archive.org backup site, who knew! (https://old.reddit.com/r/opendirectories/comments/1ad8avx/archiveorg_experimental_backup_site/) |
| 19:14:42 | <SootBector> | full of food and some good music on, it's OK :) |
| 19:15:02 | <SootBector> | have you run a nitter instance? |
| 19:16:57 | <fireonlive> | :) |
| 19:17:06 | <fireonlive> | not personally no, just a consumer of them |
| 19:17:17 | <fireonlive> | i meant to but never got around to it |
| 19:18:35 | <SootBector> | I guess your bot doesn't pull anything direct from twitter? |
| 19:41:26 | <Barto> | SootBector: effort was low, guest token management is kinda the most finicky subject. I plan to document what we did in the wiki once everything is gone to shit |
| 19:45:46 | <Barto> | SootBector: also, make sure you're following any change in the git code, as they're often following changes to fix breakages |
| 19:46:00 | <SootBector> | thanks, I'll let you know if I try the fork |
| 19:46:12 | <Barto> | SootBector: example: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/commit/52db03b73ad5f83f67c83ab197ae3b20a2523d39 |
| 19:47:36 | <SootBector> | I'm mainly using nitter to search for a handful of keywords once a day |
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| 19:55:33 | <fireonlive> | SootBector: ahh nah, that’s IFTTT |
| 19:56:15 | <fireonlive> | they pay the musk so it should be more reliable over time |
| 19:56:53 | <SootBector> | can you run searches through that? |
| 19:58:13 | <fireonlive> | it’ll only send you new results up to 30 tweets every time it decides it’s time to run |
| 19:58:57 | <SootBector> | that'd be enough for me if I could have it run every few hours |
| 19:59:34 | <fireonlive> | atm a from:x or from:y -filter:replies kinda thing is being users for #archiveteam-twitter (not sure if it’s “filter” but something like that) |
| 19:59:56 | <fireonlive> | can’t schedule it yourself but it seems to run often enough |
| 20:00:09 | <fireonlive> | being used* |
| 20:02:49 | <SootBector> | is that on a paid plan? |
| 20:07:41 | <fireonlive> | indeed |
| 20:08:04 | <fireonlive> | they limited it i guess due to having to pay twitter the stupid high fees |
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| 20:27:06 | <SootBector> | where's the petition to have everyone move/crosspost to mastodon |
| 20:28:08 | <SootBector> | I don't believe me or my eighty-seven very similar looking siblings have signed it |
| 20:39:25 | <joepie91|m> | I think that petition is called a 'sign-up form' :p |
| 20:41:20 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 20:41:59 | <fireonlive> | there’s a very annoying nerdfight in the nitter issue about such atm |
| 20:43:42 | <SootBector> | do I need to make a twitter account so I can then leave? |
| 20:44:01 | <SootBector> | yeah, someone give me mod access to clean up the thread |
| 20:50:00 | <joepie91|m> | more seriously: treating mastodon as a 1:1 drop-in twitter replacement will end in tears |
| 20:50:07 | <joepie91|m> | for everyone involved |
| 20:50:48 | <joepie91|m> | it's its own thing and people should be aware of that :) |
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| 20:56:22 | <fireonlive> | A wholesale move would not go very well yeah |
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| 21:03:14 | <fireonlive> | matt blaze (some of you might know him) f.e. kept bumping into walls |
| 21:04:04 | <fireonlive> | especially with labeling posts, ultimately telling people to just block him when he wouldn’t label things such as monotone photography with a content warning |
| 21:04:21 | <fireonlive> | it’s a bit of a different world there than just twitter i suppose |
| 21:06:54 | <joepie91|m> | having seen a lot of these labelling-related conflicts go down from up close, I am skeptical that it was about 'monotone photography' tbh, but other than that, yeah, different culture |
| 21:08:17 | <SootBector> | content warning? |
| 21:08:37 | <joepie91|m> | (it's a bit of a pattern that people who are miffed about being asked to label anything that they personally wouldn't object to, start hyperbolizing it to something that to them seems equally absurd but that would never actually be asked, hence why I am skeptical about the topic mentioned) |
| 21:09:00 | <SootBector> | ah |
| 21:09:23 | <joepie91|m> | but yeah, CWs are the same thing, though I think I prefer the 'labelling' terminology actually, it's closer to how the feature is used |
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| 21:14:41 | <fireonlive> | ah, looking in to it again i think it was just one person™ https://federate.social/@mattblaze/110255584114823369 |
| 21:14:51 | <fireonlive> | i missed that back then |
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| 21:16:43 | <fireonlive> | something about PMs not being private as well? idk https://federate.social/@mattblaze/111474140803874176 |
| 21:16:55 | <fireonlive> | i haven't been on it much i guess :/ |
| 21:18:35 | <joepie91|m> | having a quick look at the person in question, certainly getting some sketchy vibes from them, though I'd like to see the context for that request |
| 21:19:02 | <joepie91|m> | re: the PMs, that's likely referring to one of two things |
| 21:20:00 | <joepie91|m> | either a) the DMs are unencrypted (yes, they are, like on ~every other social network, and it's always very suspicious when people try to bring this up for mastodon and only mastodon specifically), or b) they are inlined in the rest of the message feed in the UI, making it non-obvious that they are private (this is a legitimate issue, but also one that nobody except Gargron can do anything about, and Gargron is uh... yeah) |
| 21:20:23 | <joepie91|m> | again I wouldn't mind seeing the context for the toot.. |
| 21:21:10 | <fireonlive> | ahh, yeah the unencrypted thing is basically everywhere yeah but the inline thing is interesting |
| 21:21:40 | <fireonlive> | oh right, Gargron the creator |
| 21:21:50 | <fireonlive> | i guess he's not well liked after all then |
| 21:22:02 | <joepie91|m> | not really, no |
| 21:22:39 | <fireonlive> | seems the context is this one: https://federate.social/@mattblaze/111201660656244590 |
| 21:22:42 | <joepie91|m> | there's a large amount of Mastodon users who are very frustrated by Gargron refusing to fix issues, which then requires the community to pick up the slack through procedures and conventions, which the community then gets shit for from new (especially ex-twitter) users because it's "not intuitive" |
| 21:22:48 | <fireonlive> | he's also said similar in october too: https://federate.social/@mattblaze/111201660656244590 |
| 21:23:01 | <joepie91|m> | without ever asking "okay, but why is this not fixed" |
| 21:23:20 | <fireonlive> | ahh i see :/ |
| 21:23:51 | <fireonlive> | sorta just 'has his vision' and doesn't want feedback kinda thing? |
| 21:24:57 | <fireonlive> | i did idly wonder why some of them had a '+glitch' patch/fork/? but i guess that's why |
| 21:24:59 | <SootBector> | tagging others in what you think is a PM, eek |
| 21:25:00 | <joepie91|m> | pretty much yeah |
| 21:25:06 | <joepie91|m> | yep that is exactly why |
| 21:25:10 | <fireonlive> | ahh |
| 21:25:22 | <joepie91|m> | yeah the tagging is likewise a legitimate issue that likewise isn't getting fixed upstream |
| 21:26:19 | <fireonlive> | oops |
| 21:26:23 | <fireonlive> | i linked the same post twice |
| 21:26:39 | <fireonlive> | the one the day before that PM one was https://federate.social/@mattblaze/111468802914900133 |
| 21:26:57 | <fireonlive> | "Periodic reminder that the..." |
| 21:27:28 | <joepie91|m> | the thing is, though. I am looking at the replies to that post about private messages, and... people are agreeing? |
| 21:27:29 | <fireonlive> | and hmm yeah annoying upstream won't fix that |
| 21:28:07 | <fireonlive> | i wonder; does 'linking' to a profile i.e. https://example.com/@someone also mention them? |
| 21:28:21 | <joepie91|m> | like, I don't see people "jumping all over him to defend it" at all? |
| 21:29:37 | <fireonlive> | hmm yeah maybe one or two but a lot of agreement |
| 21:29:44 | <fireonlive> | i guess maybe he's one of those people |
| 21:30:10 | <joepie91|m> | like, I don't even see the fosstodon fossbros defending it |
| 21:30:23 | <joepie91|m> | (fosstodon is blocked in a lot of places for good reason) |
| 21:30:38 | <fireonlive> | https://federate.social/@ricketson@kolektiva.social/111471378328505901 |
| 21:30:49 | <fireonlive> | ah interesting |
| 21:31:12 | <fireonlive> | defederation is fun too :) |
| 21:31:21 | <fireonlive> | (sometimes very needed) |
| 21:31:43 | <joepie91|m> | that's the november one though |
| 21:31:53 | <joepie91|m> | not the october one |
| 21:32:01 | <joepie91|m> | (that reply) |
| 21:32:14 | <joepie91|m> | the october one is the one I'm looking at |
| 21:33:43 | <fireonlive> | ahh |
| 21:35:41 | <joepie91|m> | yeah, I'm inclined to throw this one on the pile of "many-followers person moves over to mastodon and is unreasonably demanding and/or unreasonably easily angered by the slightest thing that is different from their previous experience", which shouldn't be a dedicated pile, but is |
| 21:36:32 | <fireonlive> | hmm sounds reasonable |
| 21:36:33 | <joepie91|m> | I recently learned that Twitter apparently aggressively filters out replies to high-follower accounts specifically |
| 21:36:39 | <fireonlive> | oh really? |
| 21:36:42 | <fireonlive> | interesting |
| 21:36:47 | <joepie91|m> | which presumably makes the experience divide bigger for popular accounts |
| 21:37:10 | <joepie91|m> | (and it already is pretty big, because fedi is very much not designed for "handful of people with a massive audience) |
| 21:37:38 | <joepie91|m> | there was a pretty good analogy a while ago about this sort of behaviour |
| 21:38:34 | <joepie91|m> | the way that a lot of twitter users, especially clout-chasing ones, treat mastodon: they hear of some nice quaint untouched village somewhere in the mountains and it sounds pretty cool, and they all go there on holiday en masse, and demand all the conveniences and infrastructure of a major hotel chain, from a bunch of villagers who never asked for any of this |
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| 21:39:33 | <joepie91|m> | the details are a bit different here (major tech platform instead of major hotel chain, and volunteer-run grassroots community instead of quaint village) but the dynamics are awfully close |
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| 21:40:08 | <joepie91|m> | like, if you want to holiday in the quaint village, that's fine, but you probably should expect some quirks and bumps along the way |
| 21:40:39 | <fireonlive> | hmm yeah i like that one |
| 21:40:51 | <fireonlive> | much the same with anything new and growing |
| 21:42:13 | <joepie91|m> | yep, especially when it is a community thing |
| 21:43:18 | <joepie91|m> | through that lens, I think a lot (although not all, but a lot) of complaints about mastodon and the fediverse in general boil down to some variant of "there was no 24/7 reception service at the village inn, this is unacceptable" |
| 21:49:11 | <fireonlive> | mm, i really need to use it more and get more familiar |
| 21:49:29 | <fireonlive> | got distracted by a train toilet DoS :) https://www.devever.net/~hl/traintoilet |
| 21:55:43 | <joepie91|m> | > Of course, there is a reason for the separation of the closing and locking functions, but not the opening and unlocking functions: it avoids a Denial of Service attack where someone can just press “close” and then jump out before the door closes. |
| 21:55:50 | <joepie91|m> | oh, is that why it has those bullshit controls |
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| 21:57:00 | <joepie91|m> | neat trick though |
| 21:57:06 | <fireonlive> | i had wondered! but yeah turns out people are just assholes lol |
| 21:57:12 | <joepie91|m> | (but don't be an asshole and actually do that :p) |
| 21:57:17 | <fireonlive> | :p yeah |
| 21:57:40 | <joepie91|m> | what mostly frustrates me is that whereas older toilet designs could be closed either manually or with a button, with the new ones it's just the button crap |
| 21:57:45 | <joepie91|m> | and it takes forever |
| 21:57:55 | <fireonlive> | >_< |
| 21:57:56 | <joepie91|m> | which is the last thing I want when I urgently need to go to the toilet |
| 21:58:05 | <fireonlive> | indeed! |
| 21:58:27 | <joepie91|m> | I'm just standing there waiting for like 10 seconds for the door to sssslllloooowwwllllyyyy cccllloooossseee |
| 21:59:43 | <fireonlive> | liability thing i wonder |
| 22:25:43 | <@JAA> | What ... do ... you ... call ... a ... three- ... humped ... camel? |
| 22:27:48 | <@JAA> | Yeah, makes sense that it'd be to avoid crushing someone standing in the door or similar. |
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| 23:48:59 | <SootBector> | anyone tried https://github.com/vladkens/twscrape for twitter ? |
| 23:53:26 | <@JAA> | Ugh yeah, that thing which pretends to produce snscrape-compatible data but actually doesn't. |
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| 23:56:03 | <SootBector> | I'm not certain from your snscrape readme if it can or can't do a general search for a word/phrase ? |
| 23:56:14 | <SootBector> | it sounds like not |
| 23:56:25 | <@JAA> | It could in the past, but Elon broke it. |
| 23:56:57 | <SootBector> | thanks for the feature while it was possible |
| 23:57:09 | <@JAA> | I never found the time to implement the token-based stuff Nitter did, and now that's pretty moot, too. |
| 23:58:10 | <joepie91|m> | fireonlive: JAA: I mean, the slow door closing wouldn't be a problem if you weren't *required* to use the damn button |
| 23:58:27 | <joepie91|m> | and they still had a manual close-and-lock mechanism like on older trains |
| 23:58:52 | <joepie91|m> | then the door would only close slowly if you chose to use the button/motor |
| 23:59:14 | <joepie91|m> | well, more accurately: it would be a problem for way less people |
| 23:59:25 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 23:59:51 | <joepie91|m> | like, the feature for a button/motor obviously needs to be there, it's just that I see no reason for it to be the exclusive option :p |