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00:12:51<@JAA>lol, I'm sorting SSDs by price, and at the very top is a 'IDE flash module' with 512 MB. The sorting can't handle the ridiculous price of over 100 monies per gigabyte. The next one in the list is only 0.04 monies/GB.
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00:15:22<@JAA>Here's the 4 GB version of the same thing: https://www.delock.com/produkt/54146/merkmale.html
00:15:50<@JAA>Guessing it's a thing for ancient industrial equipment.
00:17:19<fireonlive>oh wow lol
00:17:30<fireonlive>must be
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01:07:25<project10>https://unit42.paloaltonetworks.com/two-campaigns-by-north-korea-bad-actors-target-job-hunters/
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02:05:17<fireonlive>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/recommended-extensions-program "Before an extension receives Recommended status, it undergoes rigorous technical review by staff security experts."
02:05:30<fireonlive>but does, like, every update of that extension also get reviewed?
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02:29:31<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/e7e09582687103cf/image.png
02:29:44<fireonlive>tim apple, our relationship is getting tenuous
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03:07:51<@JAA>Oh, board.net finally recovered.
03:08:23<nicolas17>https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1726894319255339081 wtf
03:08:23<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/pmarca/status/1726894319255339081
03:08:52<@JAA>lol
03:09:13<nicolas17>business insider, apparently
03:09:59<@JAA>https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-chatgpt-openai-ceo-career-net-worth-ycombinator-prepper-2023-1?r=US&IR=T
03:10:04<@JAA>They've fixed it since.
03:39:01<nicolas17>https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1618483740656959494
03:39:02<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/InternetHippo/status/1618483740656959494
03:42:17<fireonlive>"I kind of killed Mercurial at Mozilla" https://glandium.org/blog/?p=4346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38369433
03:42:20<fireonlive>so that's who did it!
03:49:58<nicolas17>"Mercurial was developed by Olivia Mackall, who was a Linux kernel developer back then." that name didn't sound familiar so I looked it up and oh uh okay yeah I remembered them by another name >.>
03:53:01<@JAA>> You could get a full clone of mozilla-central in less than half an hour, when at the time, other similar tools would take more than 10 hours (needless to say, it's even worse now).
03:53:10<@JAA>Oof, looking forward to that in #codearchiver...
03:54:50<@JAA>Cc pabs in case you haven't seen it yet.
03:55:13<@JAA>I've never heard of SVK or Monotone before.
03:58:49<@JAA>And TIL Git Bundle URIs. Very nice.
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04:40:18<nicolas17>I uploaded some KDE git bundles to archive.org, when the Ukraine war started and some devs (on both sides) were worried about the future of their Internet connectivity
04:41:17<nicolas17>this would let them do an initial clone using the torrent even
04:41:22<nicolas17>but I haven't updated them >_<
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05:51:33<pabs>git really needs a torrent mode
05:55:23<fireonlive>https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent
05:55:26fireonlive throws up
05:56:10<nicolas17>interesting problem brought up today... suppose you have a large compressed file which has long runs of zero-bytes, like a raw disk image piped into gzip; how do you uncompress it into a sparse file, so you don't have to actually write gigabytes of zeros to the output file on disk?
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05:56:55<that_lurker>ooo we could do and nft of every repo
05:57:04<that_lurker>s/and/an
05:57:09<that_lurker>https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/69bf0a6807016f11/throw-up-dry-heave.gif
05:57:19nicolas17 throws an NFT of a brick at that_lurker's head
05:57:47<fireonlive>there’s also https://code.google.com/archive/p/gittorrent/ but it was stillborn
05:57:57that_lurker tries to dodge, but can see the brick as UV still burned hes eyes
05:58:31<Flashfire42>what was that token idea where everything is stored on everyones computer or whatever?
05:58:33<Flashfire42>the really shit idea
05:59:05<project10>storj?
05:59:17<nicolas17>wdym? they all store a copy of the entire blockchain on everyone's computer :P
05:59:59<fireonlive>i remember waiting back when for “the blockchain” to download to my mac
06:00:05<pabs>fireonlive: thats more like a githubtorrent IIRC
06:00:33<fireonlive>ye seems to be
06:00:35<that_lurker>chia?
06:00:36<Flashfire42>I think thats it. Storj
06:01:32<nicolas17>storj and filecoin are "some people provide storage and get paid in tokens, other people pay tokens to store their data"
06:01:33<fireonlive>there was one that everyone flocked to unlimited storage providers for to earn “money”
06:01:48<fireonlive>Which also contributed to them ending the unlimited storage lol
06:02:44<project10>chia is even worse than storj, at least storj stores data *someone* finds valuable
06:02:46<nicolas17>chia is "calculate and store useless data on disk (in the same way bitcoin mining is useless calculations) as a replacement to proof of work" which is much worse
06:03:02<Flashfire42>Holy shit who the fuck came up with that idea
06:03:34<project10>proof-of-keeping-useless-data
06:03:53<nicolas17>bitcoin-like proof-of-work is bad for the environment because it needs more and more electricity! let's make a system that uses a *different* scarce resource, disk storage instead of computing power!
06:04:14<that_lurker>Always fun to watch videos of people building multi petabyte storage solutions just to store chia and try to be "profitable"
06:04:16<nicolas17>I want to stab the inventors
06:04:43<fireonlive>me too
06:04:44<nicolas17>that_lurker: lemme guess, they fail
06:04:52<project10>here, go stab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Cohen
06:05:03<fireonlive>and you know Nicholas is serious because he hasn’t said he wants to stab me yet!
06:05:10<Flashfire42>I mean the only time I have ever seen anything like bitcoin remotely helpful is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridcoin
06:05:11<nicolas17>last I checked chia prices were going down and down
06:05:11<project10>bittorrent good, chia bad
06:05:20<that_lurker>nicolas17: Well they can run them, but there is no raid so its just bulk storage
06:05:37<that_lurker>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgKlrUFPKxI
06:05:39<nicolas17>that_lurker: I meant the "profitable" part
06:06:35<that_lurker>Once you fill that you could be profitable for a short while as the hardness increases.
06:06:52<nicolas17>more miners bringing up the difficulty, and selling the tokens as soon as they earn them (because pretty much nobody actually *wants* chia coins or accepts them as payment) bringing down the price, and now your pile of disks is not making enough to cover the costs
06:06:58<that_lurker>but that fucking project made hard drive prices spike a few years back
06:07:08<project10>https://xchscan.com/charts/netspace chia ~30EiB!!!!
06:07:11<Flashfire42>Gridcoin isnt too bad because its linked in to BOINC
06:07:31<Flashfire42>Holy shit why the fuck would you but EiB amounts
06:07:36<Flashfire42>Donate that shit to IA
06:08:26<fireonlive>I wonder how much of that is on unlimited storage lol
06:09:20<nicolas17>that_lurker: https://twitter.com/nicolas09F9/status/1403036766769225732
06:09:20<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/nicolas09F9/status/1403036766769225732
06:09:54<fireonlive>nicky’s twitter 👀
06:10:03<project10>fireonlive: probably not much. periodically the network verifies you have what you say you have. you have a very limited time to respond to those queries. so fetching something from google drive is probably too slow
06:10:11<fireonlive>ahhh ok
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06:11:18<fireonlive>i'm a bit behind on my pyramid schemes^W^Wcrypto
06:16:57<project10>nicolas17: I like "crash" in Spanish, I'm gonna start calling em crasheós now
06:19:24<that_lurker>sounds like a cereal or nuts brand :P
06:35:35<nulldata>https://twitter.com/OpenAI/status/1727206187077370115?s=20
06:35:36<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/OpenAI/status/1727206187077370115
06:35:52<nulldata>Sam's back man
06:38:58<nulldata>Adam D'Angelo is still on the new board - the one who has been speculated to have been the ring master of this ousting circus
06:40:57<nulldata>Any eggdrop karma bets on how long this lasts?
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08:00:26<@JAA>nicolas17: Re sparse files, I've played with `dd conv=sparse` as well as `fallocate -d` before, but I don't remember the pitfalls. The latter's for in-place replacement of holes in existing files, so probably not suitable here.
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12:51:39<nicolas17_>JAA: dd conv=sparse seems to be the solution here :)
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15:53:00<@JAA>I currently have about 50 terminals open. Send help please.
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16:46:40<that_lurker>YOLO and tmux kill-session -a
16:46:58<that_lurker>or more yolo pkill -f tmux
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17:09:35<fireonlive>sama is back?!
17:09:52<fireonlive>fuck me sideways this openai/microsoft stuff is wild lol
17:14:48<project10>sam's back, baby!
17:31:40<@JAA>that_lurker: Bold of you to assume I was sane enough to put these in tmux.
17:32:43<that_lurker>https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/7b19532b216ea6ba/deargod-dear.gif
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17:45:11<nulldata>fireonlive - at the rate they've been going, that's so old news now :P
17:45:23<fireonlive>xP true true
17:45:50<fireonlive>i’ll say he lasts a day
17:48:34<that_lurker>im suprised Microsoft did not just buy the whole OpenAI. They should have some $80 billion lying around somewhere
17:50:58<nulldata>Technically not possible given it's owned by a non-profit.
17:56:55<that_lurker>-+rss- Self-proclaimed 'gay furry hackers' breach nuclear lab: https://www.engadget.com/self-proclaimed-gay-furry-hackers-breach-nuclear-lab-152034192.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38381894
17:57:21<@JAA>> They demanded research into creating IRL catgirls.
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18:00:20<that_lurker>"Cool I wonder what the grateful youths of CCP china are doing to contribute to their bright furry futures. Are they hacking their indoctrination schools that are inoculating the kids with tools to fight "disinformation" and "censorship" of furry influence on TikTokker, along with their struggles to retain their deeply coveted rights to wear butt
18:00:20<that_lurker>plug foxtails?"
18:00:45<that_lurker>Always a joy to read these article comments :P
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18:14:07<fireonlive>i’ll support them because cat boys are a logical next step
18:14:10<fireonlive>i mean what
18:20:44<fireonlive>https://x.com/vxunderground/status/1727384297819308107?s=12
18:20:45<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/vxunderground/status/1727384297819308107
18:22:26<@JAA>Yeah, gay hackers requesting catgirls is interesting.
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19:01:39<nulldata>https://twitter.com/isroprisdead/status/1727210597568405624 🤣
19:01:39<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/isroprisdead/status/1727210597568405624
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19:07:50<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/322b3378687b283b/image.png
19:07:51<fireonlive>:)
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19:51:09<@JAA>Whoa, something fucked up one of my terminals so much that none of the usual recovery mechanisms work. Impressive.
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19:53:07<@JAA>> tcsetattr: Input/output error
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19:57:50<project10>impressive!
19:58:42<@JAA>Pressing keys randomly works in about 50% of the cases. Even after `reset`.
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19:59:12<@JAA>As in, I might have to type rressseet<Enter><Enter><Enter> to execute that. lol
19:59:23<nicolas17>oh
19:59:25<nicolas17>I saw that happen once
19:59:39<nicolas17>something was running and reading from that shell's stdin
19:59:49<nicolas17>so my keystrokes randomly went to that process or to the shell
20:00:31<@JAA>Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Although I ^C'd the process that was causing the tcsetattr error.
20:02:17<@JAA>Indeed, the subprocess keeps running, huh.
20:03:03<@JAA>`cat <(ssh -t host 'while :; do echo huh; sleep 1; done')`
20:03:12<@JAA>(Please don't ask.)
20:04:00<nicolas17>ah yes my case involved ssh too
20:04:08<nicolas17>maybe half your keystrokes are *going to the ssh server* :D
20:04:14<@JAA>Yep
20:04:18<@JAA>Most likely, but wtf.
20:08:00<@JAA>This feels like a Bash bug. The subprocess doesn't get killed on ^C and also doesn't show up in `jobs`.
20:08:25<@JAA>I'll ask about it over there.
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20:20:08<fireonlive>the things JAA does to terminals and shells….
20:20:16<fireonlive>could make a saw movie
20:20:21<fireonlive>:3
20:22:40<@JAA>I want to play a game... with the terminal.
20:27:07<fireonlive>:D
20:29:22<that_lurker>https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/b93785f24f7572c1/image.png
20:29:46<@JAA>Haha, nice
20:31:37<that_lurker>Small addition https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/3b2ea15966551775/image.png
20:40:12<@JAA>So the TL;DR is: SSH runs as a background processes. It has no access to the terminal, but its stdin is still connected to it. ^C doesn't kill background processes because it isn't supposed to. Bash doesn't even expose these background processes except for $! for the last one. Beyond that, you have to use something external like `ps`.
20:40:43<@JAA>No access to the terminal is why tcsetattr fails. stdin still being connected is why typed characters randomly disappear into the ether.
20:49:57<fireonlive>that_lurker++
20:49:58<eggdrop>[karma] 'that_lurker' now has 2 karma!
20:53:09<that_lurker>https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/99f562c2e8e35b9a/86y5l9.gif
21:18:19<fireonlive>:D
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21:34:09<fireonlive>heyyyy
21:34:22<fireonlive>come here often, stranger?
21:37:34<lurker2935467>https://www.scaruffi.com/ https://4chanmusic.fandom.com/wiki/4chanmusic_Wiki https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/ https://rateyourmusic.com/ https://www.last.fm/
21:37:36<lurker2935467>scrauffi much better than fantano
21:37:36<lurker2935467>last fm is proto spotify inspiration
21:37:44<lurker2935467>rym indieheads is all the music you need just avoid the soy and you're kino
21:39:24<fireonlive>4chan going toxic doesn't surprise too much
21:40:38<lurker2935467>but not as toxic as rateyourmusic or last fm or spotify
21:40:59<lurker2935467>atleast they're honest contrarians
21:41:14<lurker2935467>cocky but honest and chill
21:41:51<lurker2935467>last fm is pretty much stuck in that 2010s 4chan phase
21:42:11<lurker2935467>so how do you feel about my suggestions?
21:42:24<lurker2935467>can i add more :)
21:43:27<fireonlive>good place to start for me =]
21:44:07<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/myspace_dragon_hoard_2010 https://archive.org/details/myspace-Music
21:44:17<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/@m1zterarch1ve
21:44:42<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/@sinclair87
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21:47:21<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/@jeff_baker500
21:50:01<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/folksoundomy_music
21:50:07<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/cratediggers
21:50:13<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/hifidelity
21:50:20<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/etree
21:51:07<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/hiphopmixtapes
21:51:43<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/details/vaporwave
21:54:24<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22obscure%22&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22audio%22
21:55:23<lurker2935467>https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Nu+metal%22&page=2&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22opensource_audio%22&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22folksoundomy%22&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22myspace-music%22&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22vaporwave%22&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22vapor-vault%22
21:58:55<nulldata>I feel like I'm in #archivebot
21:59:28<lurker2935467>giving music suggestions to fireonlive
21:59:52<lurker2935467>sorry for spamming
22:00:01<lurker2935467>i stop if you want me to
22:00:08<lurker2935467>;)
22:01:03<lurker2935467>nulldata?
22:01:52<fireonlive>best to give it a break for now :3
22:01:56<fireonlive>i have lots to look at :)
22:02:03<fireonlive>thanks~
22:02:18<fireonlive>lots to look at now that is!
22:02:26<lurker2935467>you're welcome so much (y) X-P
22:02:32<fireonlive>:)
22:02:52<fireonlive>nulldata: yeah the shift to GTA online.. shark cards... milking that for all its worth.... such a shame :\
22:08:33<nulldata>lurker2935467 - you're fine - just made me do a double take where I was haha
22:10:10<nulldata>Someday I'll finish museum.rockstarnexus.com lol
22:15:40<fireonlive>and someday we'll archivebot it :P
22:16:41<fireonlive>looks cool ;)
22:16:45<fireonlive>s/;)/:)/
22:23:42<lurker2935467>>imagine not knowing of obscure gta forums
22:24:05<lurker2935467>archiveteam did it awhile ago
22:24:18<lurker2935467>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/List_of_GTA_Forums
22:28:00<fireonlive>not everything knows everything ;)
22:30:49<lurker2935467>surface web and human mind true, deep/dark web and God disagrees with youi
22:31:05<lurker2935467>O:3
22:31:39<lurker2935467>the internet never forgets
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22:33:20<lurker2935467>God always remember
22:39:52<@JAA>Ah yes, Rate Your Music, the fuc... people that recently put their entire forums behind a login wall, great site. :-)
22:41:09<lurker2935467>what golden treasure did you find on that trashheap of a community?
22:41:12<lurker2935467>Jaa
22:41:19<nulldata>Rate Your Disappointment :)
22:41:34<lurker2935467>nulldata?
22:41:39<@JAA>5/7
22:41:58<lurker2935467>as in music taste JAA
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22:42:33<lurker2935467>what album did you find that was obscure?
22:42:44<lurker2935467>JAA Nulldata
22:43:04<lurker2935467>singer or band group
22:43:22<lurker2935467>or rapper
22:45:20<Barto>https://www.broadcom.com/blog/broadcom-announces-successful-acquisition-of-vmware :O woah
22:46:49<nulldata>Barto - here begins the price increases and decreased development resources
22:47:26<Barto>ufff
22:47:27<lurker2935467>oracle virtualbox masterrace
22:47:45<lurker2935467>is what everyone at archiveteam uses for warrior
22:48:27<Barto>am i the only person here that hate hypervisors? Just using that because for the sake of it is crap. And then you wonder why you end up with some shit performance on the desktop rendering
22:58:29<nulldata>It'
22:58:55<nulldata>It all depends on what the use case is
23:03:54<fireonlive>i do it all on docker myself
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23:06:51<nulldata>https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-prepared-san-francisco-offices-for-openai-employees-2023-11
23:08:21<project10>Fusl++
23:08:21<nulldata>lmao gotta suck working over the weekend before a holiday to prep for something that never happened
23:08:23<eggdrop>[karma] 'Fusl' now has 1 karma!
23:08:24<project10>arkiver++
23:08:24<eggdrop>[karma] 'arkiver' now has 5 karma!
23:13:52<nicolas17>"I was impressed by your work and I wanted to chat with you since we are looking for a talented engineer to join our dynamic team, and your experience in C++ programming caught my eye. As a part of our team, you will be at the forefront of developing cutting-edge solutions in the crypto space, challenging the norms and making a significant impact."
23:13:54<nicolas17>I should reply playing dumb and assuming crypto = cryptography
23:14:35<kitonthe3et>barto: i agree, but mostly because I can't stand the idea of the nested middlemen for some sense of security that can be more effectively achieved with existing tools
23:15:55<kitonthe3et>generally I don't have a problem with them, but I get itchy when I run docker in a VM
23:16:32<nicolas17>kitonthe3et: a friend works on openstack and she has seen people asking how to install openstack on AWS
23:17:29<@arkiver>i'm not sure yet what i think of this new karma bot we seem to have
23:17:38<kitonthe3et>well sure how else would I run my white labelled cloud service :)
23:18:40<kitonthe3et>which I think is best explained by the casually explained rule of bureacracy: i am willing to spend and unlimited amount of someone else's money to fix a problem
23:41:55<fireonlive>"Ahead of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman’s four days in exile, several staff researchers sent the board of directors a letter warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters."
23:41:56<fireonlive>what
23:42:08<fireonlive>-+rss- Sam Altman's ouster was precipitated by letter to board about AI breakthrough: https://www.reuters.com/technology/sam-altmans-ouster-openai-was-precipitated-by-letter-board-about-ai-breakthrough-2023-11-22/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38386487
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