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00:25:54<nicolas17>JAA: a year ago or so I started to see 'fi' ligatures in monospaced text on the web
00:26:02<nicolas17>I want to stab whoever made that happen
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00:30:55<@JAA>Yeah, shell scripts are wonderful with that.
00:31:10<nicolas17>actually they copy correctly
00:31:21<@JAA>Of course, it's just rendering.
00:32:05<nicolas17>it's not an actual ligature character, it's just the browser rendering adjacent fi with a ligature glyph, which even makes 'final' and 'shell' have different visual length despite monospace
00:35:00<@JAA>Yep
00:35:16<@JAA>And 'if' and 'fi' (hence why I mentioned shell scripts).
00:35:19<nicolas17>D:
00:35:36<TheTechRobo>i've never understood that
00:36:48<nicolas17>TheTechRobo: in many fonts, especially serif ones, "fi" ligatures make the text look nicer
00:37:00<nicolas17>they never *ever* make sense in monospace
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00:37:27<TheTechRobo>yeah, the whole point of monospace is to make everything the same width
00:37:36<TheTechRobo>why would you then make certain combinations of characters different
00:38:08<nicolas17>https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/14ZQDO/Screenshot_20231119_213749.png
00:39:33<TheTechRobo>did they put a carriage return in their filename?
00:40:13<nicolas17>seems so, but I chose to ignore the content and context of this, I was just looking for a code snippet with 'fi' :P
00:40:25<@JAA>TheTechRobo: Pro trick to make someone's day very miserable: `touch $'a.jpg\rb.png\nc'`
00:40:49<TheTechRobo>JAA: You wouldn't.
00:41:02<@JAA>I have, to test my scripts with such things. :-)
00:41:03<nicolas17>I once had a buffer overflow in a C program and I created a file with a bunch of funny control characters past the non-existent null terminator :(
00:41:07<nicolas17>it wasn't easy to delete :(
00:41:49<@JAA>Oof
00:41:59<TheTechRobo>the name C is fairly accurate in my case because that's roughly what I'd grade my code
00:42:08<@JAA>`printf '%q\n' *` is helpful in these cases.
00:42:20<TheTechRobo>nicolas17: does tab-complete not escape those?
00:42:36<@JAA>Tab completion with special characters is ... interesting.
00:42:41<TheTechRobo>I just saw the 'fi' in that screenshot you sent and I am disgusted
00:42:48<nicolas17>SEE
00:42:52<nicolas17>that was the point of the screenshot :p
00:43:10<TheTechRobo>nicolas17: I was more focused on the content of the screenshot talking about an object with a carriage return in its filename for some reason :P
00:43:30<@JAA>Regular `ls` can actually 'properly' escape filenames these days. Because too many people were breaking shit by copying stuff from ls output.
00:43:45<TheTechRobo>lmao
00:44:21<nicolas17>code, pre { font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; } I need to add this to my user stylesheet or something
00:44:21<TheTechRobo>make a file called `HugeVirusDeleteMePls;sudo rm -rf /`
00:44:36<nicolas17>TheTechRobo: I once found a shell injection bug in a server-side git hook
00:45:08<@JAA>Oh yes, good idea re user style.
00:45:37<nicolas17>and also found that ';echo${IFS}hello>/tmp/test.txt;# was a valid git branch name (whitespace seems to be the only disallowed thing?)
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00:46:29<TheTechRobo>I'm more shocked that whitespace ISN'T allowed
00:50:08<nicolas17>also if you create a branch called foo, and delete it, and later create a branch called foo/bar, you could cause problems for yourself and for others :P
00:50:33<TheTechRobo>nicolas17: how so?
00:51:31<nicolas17>Alice creates branch 'foo', pushes it, Bob pulls, git creates file .git/refs/remotes/origin/foo
00:51:41<nicolas17>Alice deletes the branch on the remote repository
00:52:09<nicolas17>git fetch / git pull by default *don't* delete the local refs for branches deleted on the server
00:52:38<nicolas17>later branch foo/bar is created on the server, Bob pulls again, git tries to create directory .git/refs/remotes/origin/foo (to put file 'bar' inside), it fails because foo already exists as a file
00:53:19<TheTechRobo>does Git not handle that?
00:53:26<TheTechRobo>or I guess how would it handle that
00:53:28<@JAA>Hmm, I wonder whether Git should have a mechanism to move the ref to packed-refs in that case or similar.
00:53:49<nicolas17>I'm also not sure if the reflog is deleted when you delete a branch
00:54:02<@JAA>Though that would also require packing the objects etc.
00:54:14<nicolas17>if you delete your local branch 'foo', it will delete your .git/refs/heads/foo, but I don't know if it deletes the corresponding reflog
00:54:22<nicolas17>so that could also cause a file vs directory clash later
00:55:18<@JAA>Looks like it does, yeah.
00:56:01<@JAA>The commit is still tracked by the reflog, but no longer associated with 'foo'.
00:57:37<nicolas17>and the reflog is a similar files-and-directories structure in .git/logs soooo
00:58:10<@JAA>No, as in, the commit is still referenced *somewhere*, but there's no record of the branch name anymore.
00:58:23<@JAA>`find .git -name '*foo*'` is empty.
00:58:33<nicolas17>ah, it does delete the 'foo' reflog
00:58:40<nicolas17>the commit is still referenced in the 'HEAD' reflog
00:58:52<@JAA>Ah right, HEAD has its own reflog.
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01:03:54<@JAA>(Is it really a 'reflog' if it lives in .git/logs/HEAD, not in .git/logs/refs/?)
01:04:15<TheTechRobo>nicolas17: wait, if each branch is referenced on the filesystem, couldn't you screw up Windows/macOS users by having `foo` and `Foo` ?
01:04:31<nicolas17>probably :D
01:04:41<TheTechRobo>sounds fun!
01:04:42<TheTechRobo>:P
01:04:47<nicolas17>git had some hardening for that on filenames
01:04:53<nicolas17>or files called CON or stuff like that
01:05:04<nicolas17>but idk if they're working around the issues with branch names
01:05:06<@JAA>Aw, I was just going to suggest that.
01:06:02<nicolas17>JAA: they're protecting against that for "files in the repo", but I don't know if they are for branches, maybe a branch called con *will* break things :D
01:06:17<@JAA>Ah, right
01:07:23<TheTechRobo>how do they protect it? do they just stop you from commiting a file named CON?
01:10:46<nicolas17>I think git refuses to checkout those files on Windows, rather than blindly opening it and getting a file descriptor to the console
01:16:09<kiska>nicolas17: You should see the influxdb insertions :D
01:16:14<kiska>insertion log :D
01:16:30<fireonlive>😏
01:17:02<kiska>@ifre
01:17:03<nicolas17>fireonlive: no.
01:17:06<kiska>Ooops :D
01:17:12<kiska>You should see how fast its going :D
01:17:37<kiska>fireonlive nicolas17 here is the live console https://seashells.io/v/Aw4AvJeZ
01:18:02<nicolas17>are you inserting every websocket response?
01:18:14<kiska>Yes
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01:19:12<fireonlive>kiska: nice :D
01:19:27<fireonlive>nicolas17: uwu ok
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01:45:01<kiska>nicolas17 fireonlive what do you think of the influxdb ingestion :D
01:45:03<kiska>Fast :D
01:45:51<nicolas17>you should do some aggregation I think :P
01:46:58<fireonlive>i like :D
01:51:10<kiska>nicolas17: then rewrite this https://paste.kiska.pw/c/ContemporizedRom
01:51:48<kiska>Hrm... I should remove my debug lines :D
01:52:07<kiska>Or fireonlive you can tackle it
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03:24:47<project10>TclMeElmo++
03:24:47<eggdrop>[karma] 'TclMeElmo' now has 2 karma!
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03:31:23<fireonlive>:P
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04:58:01<fireonlive>https://x.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609?s=12
04:58:01<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/sama/status/1726345564059832609
05:00:22<fireonlive>https://x.com/tekbog/status/1726347145068814482?s=12 lmao
05:00:23<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/tekbog/status/1726347145068814482
05:00:32<fireonlive>… wrong tweet
05:00:52<fireonlive>https://x.com/swyx/status/1726347406894137586?s=12 **
05:00:53<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/swyx/status/1726347406894137586
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05:24:21<fireonlive>http://www.williamflew.com/ < old sci-fi mag scans :)
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07:09:30<fireonlive>rip server
07:10:35<fireonlive>(not my server)
07:10:36<fireonlive>lol
07:11:26<fireonlive>btw if anyone here uses adobe creative cloud: https://dl.fireon.live/irc/c6e7c794521c9057/image.png
07:13:21<fireonlive>note if you're yearly there's shenanigans ig
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07:17:53<fireonlive>ah there we go :o
07:24:03<fireonlive>https://x.com/amir/status/1726465076843176224?s=12
07:24:04<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/amir/status/1726465076843176224
07:24:05<fireonlive>????
07:24:50<fireonlive>https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338?s=12
07:24:50<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338
07:26:33<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/kvogt/status/1726428099217400178 CEO of Cruise resigns too
07:26:34<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/kvogt/status/1726428099217400178
07:26:48<project10>https://irc.project10.net/uploads/39981d8f8d51e4ec/chaos.mp4
07:27:37<fireonlive>xP yeeep
07:27:44<fireonlive>extra wat at openai
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08:11:23<fireonlive>-+rss- RSS can be used to distribute all sorts of information: https://colinwalker.blog/blog/?date=2023-11-19 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38343385
08:11:25<fireonlive>......:)
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08:41:12<fireonlive>-+rss- Microsoft Hires Former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23968829/microsoft-hires-sam-altman-greg-brockman-employees-openai https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38344385
08:41:13<fireonlive>??????
08:41:17<fireonlive>!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?????
08:43:54<project10>https://media.tenor.com/cOHDQRRRbHgAAAAd/eating-popcorn.gif
08:47:08<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521023770894829 https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521185733882342
08:47:09<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521023770894829 https://nitter.net/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521185733882342
08:54:37<fireonlive>-+rss- Sam Altman is the CEO of a new AI group under Microsoft: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726516824597258569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38344644
08:54:37<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/satyanadella/status/1726516824597258569
09:00:51<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/MTGrepp/status/1726511052857471410
09:00:52<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/MTGrepp/status/1726511052857471410
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10:31:13<that_lurker>-+rss- Microsoft: We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122?s=41 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345115
10:31:13<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
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12:10:21<nulldata>Heh Microsoft comes out as the winner in all this. They now have AI hype man and anyone who wanted to follow him, and still have exclusive access to OpenAI.
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14:22:48<project10>https://www.wired.com/story/openai-staff-walk-protest-sam-altman/
14:23:41<project10>second thoughts: https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
14:23:41<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
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15:16:08<nulldata>The fuck is going on lol
15:18:06<nulldata>Clearly, the most stable minded teams to lead humanity into the AGI future.
15:18:22<nukke>what matrix client do y'all use?
15:18:39<DigitalDragons>kick your feet up and watch the fire (and maybe run openai.com through archivebot)
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16:11:17<@JAA>> People building AGI unable to predict consequences of their actions 3 days in advance.
16:11:20<@JAA>:-)
16:16:53<fireonlive>@_@
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16:19:45<project10>https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/k9w3ei4/ apparently YT introduced an artificial slowdown in FF that goes away if you spoof Chrome UA
16:20:01<@JAA>Oh, that shit again?
16:20:44<project10>...again?
16:20:47<kiska>:D
16:21:14<@JAA>They added intentional performance issues for Firefox users into YouTube some years ago to push people towards Chrome.
16:23:29<@JAA>Or rather, all non-Chrome browsers, because they used an already deprecated API only implemented in Chrome.
16:23:58<@JAA>~2018
16:24:00<project10>"don't be evil" google, such a distant memory
16:35:04<fireonlive>the letter: https://x.com/karaswisher/status/1726599700961521762?s=12
16:35:04<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/karaswisher/status/1726599700961521762
16:37:07<@JAA>lol signature 12
16:40:10<@JAA>Hmm, where's the full list?
16:41:46<fireonlive>hmm yeah
16:48:09<fireonlive>https://x.com/vxunderground/status/1726604821242040407?s=12
16:48:09<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/vxunderground/status/1726604821242040407
16:48:14<fireonlive>ok then lol
16:56:00<fireonlive>https://x.com/snoopdogg/status/1726616549099004309?s=12
16:56:00<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/snoopdogg/status/1726616549099004309
16:56:02<fireonlive>oh.
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17:20:03<nulldata>Regarding Firefox and YouTube delay, the code is tied to anti-ad blocking and doesn't seem to be browser dependent. In the thread posted to the LTT subreddit people are saying they are seeing this in Chrome too with ad blockers. https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/ka08uqj/
17:20:23<fireonlive>https://github.com/leafac/kill-the-newsletter
17:20:25<fireonlive>oooooh.
17:20:32<fireonlive>email to RSS anyone?
17:25:32<@JAA>Nice
17:26:21<@JAA>Barto may be interested. :-)
17:26:52<fireonlive>:)
17:28:58<fireonlive>I was just thinking I could also use it for stuff like credit card transaction emails and have them piped to (private) IRC or something lol. possibilities are endless I guess
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17:55:00<AK>https://0xbro.red/disclosures/disclosed-vulnerabilities/opencart-cve-2023-47444/
17:55:41<AK>"ur a fucking tim.e waster" What an excellent way to respond to someone trying to point out vulnerabilities in your application
17:55:58<AK>Of course he then decided to just ban him and be kinda rude on a github issue too: https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947
18:03:18<@JAA>> Il not into what if's!
18:03:34<@JAA>Typos aside, maybe you shouldn't be a software developer if you aren't.
18:04:02<nicolas17>if the vulnerability report was bullshit I would still not use this software after that reaction from the developer
18:04:15<@JAA>Yeah
18:08:11<fireonlive>hmm.
18:08:33<fireonlive>opencart is ringing a bell to me and not in a good way but I can’t remember why
18:08:49<fireonlive>probably similar to such above
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18:21:25<TheTechRobo>Lmao what a fucking dick
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19:18:12<Barto>JAA: lol
19:18:32<Barto>i was able to avoid all those crap newsletters with some ugly php code so far
19:18:55<Barto>(rss-bridge, nitter is sufficient to my usecase right now)
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19:54:34<fireonlive>nice
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21:02:25<fireonlive>-+rss- Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969586/sam-altman-plotting-return-open-ai-microsoft https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38352891
21:02:28<fireonlive>https://dl.fireon.live/irc/82f71937719fea8a/image.png
21:05:17<fireonlive>"As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation." https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242
21:05:17<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242
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21:08:52<nicolas17>fireonlive: wow the number I saw was more like 600/770
21:08:57<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726668687577665572
21:08:58<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/sama/status/1726668687577665572
21:09:05<fireonlive>nicolas17: it's crazy eh o_O
21:10:11<nicolas17>found it
21:10:17<nicolas17>tweet from 7h ago
21:10:20<nicolas17>"505/700"
21:10:30<@JAA>715 by now, including 'colleagues with tenuous visa situations, a colleague who was literally in the hospital with the birth of their first child, signatories in the air on their way to Thanksgiving break, and many others'.
21:10:36<@JAA>https://nitter.net/E0M/status/1726694012336460005#m
21:10:45<@JAA>s/by now/as of an hour ago/
21:11:34<@JAA>Their entire feed consists of retweeted quote tweets of https://nitter.net/sama/status/1726099792600903681 . lol
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21:25:29<fireonlive>E0M is "Manage eng at @openai. Building GPT-4, ChatGPT, DALL·E, Codex, & GPT-3 APIs. Prev: Dir Eng @Nylas, Co-Founder @Proximate, @OlinCollege alum."
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22:47:10<fireonlive>https://www.maizly.com/
22:47:13<fireonlive>everything. is. corn.
22:52:20<@JAA>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2goIhnIy1Y
22:53:46<fireonlive>oooh! handy :3
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22:58:15<nulldata>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726517415356629320
22:58:15<eggdrop>nitter: https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1726517415356629320
23:03:26<nulldata>POTUS, FLOTUS, vp, and secondgentleman are now all on Threads. https://www.threads.net/@potus/post/Cz4g59Ur92-
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