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00:09:00<icedice>Ryz: Until the hosting costs or the CSAM reports makes the image host shut down, more or less
00:09:23<icedice>One of the two is usually what shuts down an image host
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00:43:02<Ryz>Mmm, interesting insight fro you icedice o#o;
00:43:19<Ryz>Another one dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20231012003512/https://pngkit.com/
00:43:44<Ryz>Unsure to what extent on grabbing these if perception-wise, there's a low amount of original content~ o.o;
00:44:13<Ryz>This one isn't dead though: https://www.pngkey.com/
00:44:38<icedice>tbh, that data is more from file hosts than it is from image hosts now that I think about it
00:44:39<joepie91|m>I think seekpng was a scraper?
00:45:16<icedice>Though a lot of the ones that die are Pomf-based
00:45:19<icedice>So they're both
00:45:31<joepie91|m>a cached version of seekpng has 'nicepng' in the copyright footer
00:45:35<joepie91|m>and nicepng seems still up
00:45:44<joepie91|m>with noticeably similar content
00:46:49<icedice>AnonFiles was killed by the latter, for example
00:47:26<icedice>Svea Hosting had enough with all the shit people were posting on there via Tor so they pulled the plug
00:48:49<icedice>AnonFiles had set up proxy.is in the Seychelles as a front company when they hosted their own reverse proxy service
00:49:11<joepie91|m>... do I know Svea Hosting under some other name?
00:49:20<icedice>svea.net
00:49:31<icedice>Obehosting reseller
00:49:33<joepie91|m>besides that I mean
00:49:35<joepie91|m>they look familiar to me but I don't recognize the name
00:49:53<icedice>They host some filehosts and probably some Tor exit nodes
00:50:03<icedice>If it's legal in Sweden, they'll host it
00:50:26<joepie91|m>for a price, it looks
00:50:29<FireFly>I mean the wobsite has generic template vibes tbf
00:50:33<joepie91|m>129 EUR/month for an rpi :)
00:50:40<joepie91|m>FireFly: I mean familiar in terms of pricing and service offerings
00:50:41<icedice>Sweden is expensive as shit
00:50:47<FireFly>ah
00:50:47<icedice>Duopoly there iirc
00:50:49<joepie91|m>certainly not that expensive
00:50:59<icedice>Cheapest you can get in Sweden is Portlane
00:51:00<FireFly>duopoly in what domain?
00:51:07<FireFly>ah transit?
00:51:12<FireFly>hm no idea
00:51:24<joepie91|m>speaking of, what happened to gridlane?
00:51:37<icedice>iirc there are like two companies that operate most of the fiber lines
00:51:57<icedice>Though I might be confusing it with Finland
00:52:07<icedice>It's like that there
00:52:14<joepie91|m>I've definitely seen cheaper providers than this in Sweden
00:53:44<icedice>Portlane is cheap for co-location iirc
00:55:08<FireFly>dunno really how it works with IXes and stuff, but otherwise I think there's a couple companies with fibre networks and a lot of areas also have municipal fibre networks
00:55:19<FireFly>so I think it's not too bad :o at least for consumers
00:59:47<icedice>I wonder if it was submarine cables I was thinking about
01:00:01<icedice>My memory is pretty foggy on it
01:00:59<Ryz>Another one, https://www.pngfind.com/ - probably will stop posting; I just seriously ponder, this particular iteration of how these things crop up
01:04:08<Ryz>Unless somehow people are interested in me keeping finding them somehow, somewhere, if only to find countless wormholes of these things
01:04:19<icedice>Seems like a lot of the submarine cables are owned by Aurelion (Telia) and Elisa, so it was probably that
01:05:04<icedice>There are three other companies that operate submarine cables to/from Finland though and one of them seems to have a few
01:05:12<icedice>So I guess the situation has gotten better
01:05:31<icedice>https://www.submarinecablemap.com/
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01:38:01<nulldata>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cloudflare-dashboard-and-apis-down-after-data-center-power-outage/
01:38:46<nulldata>"We operate in multiple redundant data centers in Oregon that power Cloudflare’s control plane (dashboard, logging, etc). There was a regional power issue that impacted multiple facilities in the region. The facilities failed to generate power overnight. Then, this morning, there were multiple generator failures that took the facilities entirely
01:38:46<nulldata>offline," the spokesperson said.
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02:11:18<fireonlive>so i got an alert for 'archive team' today... "The First Annual Archive Team Group Getaway To Put Jon In His Place by paperdream"
02:11:21<fireonlive>"Jon is in a compromising position, but luckily his assistants don't know it's him. A few days later, his assistants definitely know it was him. Instead of letting it impact their work relationship, though, they make a proposition. What follows are two weeks of fun, friendship, and triple-teaming their boss until he can't think straight.
02:11:21<fireonlive>Platonically, though. Definitely not romantically, everyone promises."
02:11:34<fireonlive>NSFW; https://archiveofourown.org/works/47907019/chapters/120783043
02:12:09<nicolas17>:|
02:12:37<fireonlive>the tags are something
02:13:41<fireonlive>i didn't know we had so much fun here
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02:31:18<@JAA>I must've missed the invitation. :-(
02:33:10<fireonlive>:(
02:43:07<nulldata>Too Hot For Archive
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03:43:42<fireonlive>i need like a list of my channels now x_x
03:43:51<fireonlive>send people to a website or something lol
03:44:58<@JAA>Have a single dispatch channel. When someone joins, they get invited into all the other channels and then kicked by eggdrop or something like that.
03:45:04<project10>^
03:45:19<nicolas17>:|
03:45:22<@JAA>Then people see the invites and can choose which of them to follow.
03:45:58<@JAA>Or just put the list in the topic of #fire-spam and point everyone there elsewhere. :-P
04:07:00<fireonlive>oooh mass invite is a neat idea :3
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04:59:53<fireonlive>https://www.404media.co/in-defense-of-ram-on-apple-silicon/
05:00:01<fireonlive>for once, i am not on daddy cookie's side on this
05:02:07<@JAA>Whaaat‽
05:02:38<fireonlive>i know, i know... i can barely believe it myself :'(
05:02:39<@JAA>On another note, if anyone needs a time machine, the author of that article appears to have one:
05:02:43<@JAA>> Two years ago, I got a 14” MacBook Pro with an M2 Pro processor
05:03:04<@JAA>M2 Pro was only released in January.
05:03:14<fireonlive>lmao
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05:11:36<pabs>-rss/#hackernews- HTTP 999 – the unofficial status code: https://http.dev/999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38127131
05:11:42<nicolas17>"Man mistakes RAM for unified memory" what
05:12:04<nicolas17>with unified memory you need *more* RAM since you can't say "yeah I have 8GB main memory but my GPU also has 4GB of its own"
05:13:28<@JAA>pabs: Yeah, they've been doing that for years.
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06:08:05<fireonlive>https://xkcd.com/2850/
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06:30:16<nicolas17>maybe I should have used line-delimited json instead of putting separate json files into a .tar x_x
06:30:41<nicolas17>importing these tars into a database is taking forever and I'm not sure if the bottleneck is zstd, tar, json parsing, or sqlite
06:31:53<nicolas17>probably python tarfile is too dumb and slow...
06:56:53<qwertyasdfuiopghjkl>https://blog.cloudflare.com/post-mortem-on-cloudflare-control-plane-and-analytics-outage/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38138640
06:59:08<fireonlive>thanks qwerty!
06:59:11<nicolas17>:popcorn:
06:59:32<fireonlive>get your 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 here!
07:14:30<nicolas17>...wow this is 402GB of JSON
07:14:40<nicolas17>or rather
07:14:55<nicolas17>402GB of tars containing JSON (tar adds a lot of padding)
07:16:36<nicolas17>zstd compressed it to 22GB
07:16:55project10 pets zstd
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18:13:21<@JAA>That post-mortem just keeps getting worse. lol
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18:47:36<kiska>tldr CF post mortem?
18:53:41<@JAA>A Flexential DC in Oregon lost one of its power grid connections, then a ground fault brought down the other one plus the diesel generators. The UPS ran empty much quicker than anticipated, and the emergency systems for bringing the generators back up weren't connected to it. Some of Buttflare's systems weren't redundant with the other two DCs in the area they use, and some of their redundant systems
18:53:47<@JAA>depend on non-redundant ones. They switched over to DR infra in Europe, which was crushed by the thundering herd and didn't support all services properly.
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20:13:38<nicolas17>ok looks like I have 258GB of JSON and the rest is tar overhead lol
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20:26:54<nicolas17>and my DB imported failed after like 3 hours due to a dumb bug
20:28:30<nicolas17>>if the JSON file doesn't contain "software", count it as "skipped early" (for statistics) and skip it
20:28:31<nicolas17>>do the actual JSON parsing
20:28:33<nicolas17>>if the parsed dict["kind"] isn't equal to "software", count it as "skipped late" [I forgot the actual "and skip it" here x_x]
20:28:34<nicolas17>>load it into the database
20:28:36<nicolas17>it reached https://music.apple.com/us/album/software/1552564176?i=1552564177&uo=4 and crashed because it didn't have the properties expected for an app (because it's not an app)
20:28:43<joepie91|m>JAA: that 'redundancy' is absolute clowncar shit, lol
20:28:53<joepie91|m>"oh we thought we had HA but we never actually tested it"
20:29:10<@JAA>Yeah
20:29:33<@JAA>And then 'oh, this is HA, and we tested it, but it depends on non-HA stuff we didn't test, oops'.
20:30:13<joepie91|m>no end-to-end service dependency graph either
20:30:19<joepie91|m>no 24/7 experienced tech availability
20:30:50<nicolas17>"no 24/7 experienced tech availability" that part is on the DC
20:30:51<@JAA>Same goes for Flexential, apparently. I wonder if they'll publish a post-mortem, too.
20:31:17<joepie91|m>what is this, fucking Joe's Datacenter?
20:31:37<katia>burst.net
20:31:42<joepie91|m>nicolas17: well no because that's something you negotiate in your contract and *pay for* when you are running critical services like cloudflare does with their control plane
20:31:54<joepie91|m>(and verify that it actually happens)
20:32:13<joepie91|m>not having 24/7 coverage on a network edge is one thing, but come on, this was their control plane
20:33:29<joepie91|m>there's more stuff in their postmortem that raises serious questions about what cloudflare's contract looked like
20:33:30<nicolas17>I'm sure stuff like "These batteries are sufficient to power the facility for approximately 10 minutes. That time is enough to bridge the gap between the power going out and the generators automatically starting up." is in the contract and paid for too, and yet... :P
20:34:09<@JAA>4 and 10 are the same order of magnitude, so it's fine, right? :-P
20:34:11<joepie91|m>like how they complain about not being notified of the power change, but they talk about 'best practice' rather than 'per contractual agreement'. does that mean that it wasn't in the contract?
20:34:33<nicolas17>and "Flexential's access control system was not powered by the battery backups, so it was offline" sounds like stuff that shouldn't need to be clarified in a contract to be done right
20:34:50<nicolas17>but yes I'm sure there's a ton of things where Cloudflare *should* have had it in the contract and didn't
20:35:01<joepie91|m>oh I'm sure that Flexential made errors as well
20:35:24<joepie91|m>but there are also a number of things that CF is pawning off on Flexential as if they hold no responsibility for it themselves, when they absolutely should have known better
20:35:40<@JAA>If Buttflare had properly set up their system to tolerate a full DC outage as they originally intended, everything would've been fine.
20:35:55<@JAA>If Flexential had properly operated their DC, everything (probably) would've been fine.
20:36:00<@JAA>So yeah, both suck.
20:36:04<nicolas17>everyone seems to be hit by unexpected dependencies
20:36:04<joepie91|m>like, for this sort of service I expect every I to be dotted and every T to be crossed, in minute detail, with several reviews, given the sheer importance of the system
20:36:10<joepie91|m>and that threshold was very clearly not met
20:36:29<fireonlive>looool burst.net
20:36:30<nicolas17>yesterday's github outage:
20:36:36<nicolas17>"Rolling back the authorization service change was delayed as parts of the deployment infrastructure relied on the authorization service and required manual intervention to complete"
20:37:09<nicolas17>Cloudflare's other outage a few days ago: "When this happened, Workers KV became unreachable in production. Although automated alerting detected the issue immediately, there was a delay [until] were actually able to perform the roll back. This was caused by the fact that multiple tools within Cloudflare rely on Workers KV."
20:37:48<joepie91|m>"we don't need network diagrams!"
20:37:57<nicolas17>an AWS outage a few years ago: "This congestion immediately impacted the availability of real-time monitoring data for our internal operations teams, which impaired their ability to find the source of congestion and resolve it."
20:37:59<joepie91|m>"we're an agile tech company!"
20:38:10<joepie91|m>"oops how come we didn't know about this dependency"
20:45:51<@JAA>> YouTube's plan backfires, people are installing better ad blockers
20:45:59<@JAA><surprised_pikachu.png>
20:46:31<nicolas17>link?
20:46:35<@JAA>https://www.androidauthority.com/youtube-ad-block-installs-3382289/
20:47:56<katia>i've never seen the banner
20:48:08<katia>firefox developer edition + ublock origin
20:48:51<@JAA>Me neither, but I only watch videos with mpv + yt-dlp anyway, never in the shitty web interface.
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22:04:54<nicolas17>holy crap, I tried parsing every json file in the tar and dumping it again as a single line + '\n' (ie. turning tarball of json files into a single ndjson), and the ETA is 40 hours
22:05:00<nicolas17>is Python's json module written in pure Python?
22:06:52<@JAA>Yes
22:07:29<@JAA>There are drop-in alternatives written in C. I happen to maintain one, ultrajson.
22:09:27<nicolas17>I happen to already have ujson installed as a dependency of something else
22:09:55<nicolas17>ETA 6 hours...
22:10:18<@JAA>:-)
22:19:40<nicolas17>hmmm I think the official json module actually does 8 hours, my ETA was just crap because I was counting tarballs instead of json files, and the number of jsons in each tar varies a lot
22:20:56<nicolas17>or 10 hours... but still not the 40 I got before
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22:56:20<nicolas17>JAA: I missed the obvious solution in this particular case -.-
22:56:25<nicolas17>don't use a JSON parser
22:56:29<nicolas17>just... delete the newlines
22:57:07<@JAA>Well, assuming your JSON is well-formed.
22:57:19<@JAA>I've seen JSON with literal LF in strings and stuff like that.
22:57:20<nicolas17>it came out of json.dump()
22:57:28<nicolas17>should be fine
22:57:37<@JAA>Ah yeah, then it should probably be fine.
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