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02:58:43<fireonlive>https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1683579071882723328
02:58:50<fireonlive>ugh
02:58:55<fireonlive>https://nitter.net/McJesse/status/1683579071882723328
03:02:37<fireonlive>https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1683656350046232578
03:08:21<fireonlive>Twitter removed half its HQ sign — then the police arrived: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23140317/twitter-sign-sf-hq-removal-demolition-police
03:08:22<fireonlive>lol
03:09:12<BPCZ>I really should delete all my X accounts
03:10:00<BPCZ>I have a feeling mr musk won’t respect a GDPR request though
03:10:27<fireonlive>not sure if he's touched those backends yet
03:10:56<fireonlive>https://nitter.net/vxunderground/status/1683479796917891075
03:11:00<fireonlive>that's.... neat
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03:48:20<nicolas17>fireonlive: https://nitter.com/ulidabess/status/1683454849071869952
03:48:57<nicolas17>oh .net
03:49:02<nicolas17>https://nitter.net/ulidabess/status/1683454849071869952
03:49:02<fireonlive>x3
03:49:08<nicolas17>that's better
03:49:13<fireonlive>that would be a fun acquisition
04:13:10<fireonlive>https://nitter.net/vzverovich/status/1683523274796584960
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05:59:35<BPCZ>I use Python under duress daily
06:02:34<BPCZ>One of the dependency chains I have is fucked. Kernel module from 15 years ago, C tools/library needed for interacting with that kernel module from 12 years ago, the team used to maintain Perl scripts to generate usable data but 3 years ago they moved to Python. I consume that Python but for the library to work the kernel module and C library have to be installed. It fucking seg faults every
06:02:34<BPCZ> 100th run or so
06:02:39<nicolas17>using Python rn
06:02:56<nicolas17>https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Beta_Firmware/Mac/14.x I'm generating these wiki pages from machine-readable data
06:04:06<BPCZ>Oh you might actually give me a reasonable answer, MacBook Air 15” 16GB or MacBook Pro 14” 16GB?
06:05:52<BPCZ>I can’t imagine a world where I need to do serious computing on a laptop where I don’t just get a vm. That said I did run into insanely stupid limits of MacBooks when doing data analysis on 4TB of stuff and would need to wait like 3 hours at a time for an SQL run to finish
06:07:46<BPCZ>(I was too far down the rabbit hole of analysis to remake the database on a better suited machine)
06:13:24<nicolas17>4TB of storage on either of those macs is gonna cost an arm and a leg :P
06:14:27<fireonlive>python or diethon
06:14:30<fireonlive>🔪
06:19:37<nicolas17>BPCZ: I have a MacBook Pro 13" and only because someone else bought it for me >.>
06:21:11<fireonlive>nicolas17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1gX66TOu8k
06:21:19<nicolas17>looks like the Air 13" and Air 15" have pretty much identical specs, other than the display
06:21:22<fireonlive>lol sorry
06:31:31<BPCZ>nicolas17: the 4TB number was the uncompressed data. I did some massaging to get things to fit in the 2TB of space the work machine had
06:31:46<BPCZ>Personally I only want/need 1TB for a machine
06:32:46<fireonlive>you'll need more ram than you think ™
06:33:00<fireonlive>ans 256GB was a mistake for me lol
06:33:39<BPCZ>I’m always afraid of that. If I need a ton of ram macs just go out the window because I’m not paying for 32GB
06:34:17<BPCZ>Could just get a framework and live with the meh battery life and decent cpu
06:34:17<fireonlive><insult towards tim cook>
06:34:25<fireonlive>apple's ram pricing is ffffffff
06:34:30<fireonlive>well all their upgrade pricings
06:34:47<nicolas17>BPCZ: seems it's all about the CPU here
06:34:51<BPCZ>The SSD pricing is the worst by far given what bulk nand goes for
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06:36:04<nicolas17>MacBook Air and MacBook Pro 13" have the same CPU, the difference is when the Air gets hot, it throttles down the CPU clock, when the Pro gets hot, it turns on the fan and keeps going
06:36:47<nicolas17>but Pro 14"/16" have a lot more CPU and GPU cores
06:38:15<nicolas17>I think GPU has a much bigger difference than CPU
06:38:36<BPCZ>Honestly I’m not overly concerned about cpu performance. The pro I have for work just does whatever I throw at it within reason. The most I’d be doing is running a small dev environment to host a local test build of a website or do some go/rust toy projects
06:39:22<nicolas17>and I assume you need the GPU even less :P
06:40:17<BPCZ>Yeah I’m not going to be doing AI work on metal. I’d just log into a work machine and steal company resources… I mean rent one from aws
06:41:12<BPCZ>My biggest annoyance with apple silicon right now is they still don’t have an AV1 decoder so that’s a bummer
06:42:04<nicolas17>yeah, they only have H264/H265/ProRes in hardware
06:42:26<nicolas17>(on macOS; Asahi Linux doesn't support any of that yet)
06:43:51<BPCZ>I’m trying to have a laptop that works
06:45:29<BPCZ>Ever since my arch install from 2 laptops ago was busted due to me falling asleep in the middle of an update I’ve been pretty meh on linux laptops. Coupled with all the eccentricities around hardware support and just generally terrible battery life and I’m pretty over mobile linux right now
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06:53:06<BPCZ>I still can’t believe the recommended way of dealing with a bunch of unsupported thinkpad hardware is disabling it in bios so power isn’t wasted constantly attempting to initialize an sd card reader the machine couldn’t use for 4 years
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07:57:15<@JAA>Mozilla's stance on Web Environment Integrity: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852
07:57:18<@JAA>:-)
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10:35:15<that_lurker>Forgot I made this when the trackers where having a hard time a while back and never posted it here :P https://lounge.kuhaon.fun/folder/e013d685765c07a5/7tnzov.gif
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16:32:55<yano>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/zenbleed-attack-leaks-sensitive-data-from-amd-zen2-processors/
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16:35:19<BPCZ>I wonder how on fire aws is
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16:43:02<fireonlive>i wonder if they got the usual 300 month heads up
16:43:56<fireonlive>"Mozilla opposes this proposal because it contradicts our principles and vision for the Web" ^_^
16:49:27<BPCZ>Given that the microcode patch didn’t exist until the 20th I doubt they got enough heads up
18:23:10<BPCZ>https://nitter.net/neerajka/status/1683667412346982402
18:26:41<nicolas17>fireonlive: a friend made me realize today
18:26:52<nicolas17>why is there all this noise about Web Environment Integrity
18:27:07<nicolas17>and not about Private Access Tokens
18:27:19<nicolas17>which are similarly "device attestation" based, and the feature is *shipping on iOS 16* already?
18:29:31<@JAA>Extensive discussion about that on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494
18:30:04<@JAA>Basically, yeah, similar pile of bullshit, but because Apple doesn't have the market share Google does, it has little effect on the web.
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19:03:33<fireonlive>nicolas17: good point! :o
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20:25:41<fireonlive>https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/hilare_belloc/status/1683797122628321280
20:25:43<fireonlive>😂
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21:54:43<TheTechRobo>How does one easily transfer a HexChat autojoin list to The Lounge?
21:56:32<myself>the ten finger express!
21:56:37<fireonlive>take the list then like /join 10 at a time
21:56:46<fireonlive>maybe like 6 at a time
21:56:49<TheTechRobo>fireonlive: does it persist the joined channels?
21:56:52<fireonlive>wait 10-20s beterrn
21:56:54<fireonlive>it does
21:56:58<TheTechRobo>why 10-20s?
21:57:04<fireonlive>maybe it's in the json
21:57:06<TheTechRobo>so as not to get kicked for excess flood?
21:57:08<fireonlive>ye
21:57:09<TheTechRobo>and yeah its in the json
21:57:21<fireonlive>could probably just shut down the lounge, edit the json, turn it back on
21:57:22<TheTechRobo>I just don't want to figure out this config system lol
21:57:27<TheTechRobo>For hexchat
21:57:32<fireonlive>ah
21:57:39<fireonlive>turn on hexchat, whois yourself
21:57:43<fireonlive>turn off hexchat
21:57:48<fireonlive>:3
21:58:07<@JAA>I think you can join far more quickly. I know I join ~200 channels within a couple tens of seconds after reconnecting.
21:58:28<fireonlive>hmm ye 10-20 is probably too generious
21:58:30<fireonlive>generous
21:58:37<@JAA>This assumes The Lounge can do '/join #foo,#bar,#baz'.
21:58:42<fireonlive>it can
21:58:43<@JAA>Rather than spamming individual joins.
21:58:49<fireonlive>oh
21:58:58<fireonlive>on a protocol level... hmmmmm not sure.
21:59:14<@JAA>Yeah, I guess I mean 'JOIN #foo,#bar,#baz'.
21:59:32<fireonlive>/quote JOIN works though
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21:59:36<fireonlive>and TL seems happy with that
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22:26:30<fireonlive>https://nitter.net/slweeb/status/1683699618058588161?s=12
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23:28:00<TheTechRobo>I think I'm in all the channels I was before
23:28:02<TheTechRobo>Yay
23:31:30<fireonlive>yay

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