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00:13:35<nicolas17>it's a new month already /o\
00:27:18<fireonlive>the straights can come out of hiding again
00:27:21<fireonlive>:p
00:32:04<FavoritoHJS>is every month pride month?
00:32:12<FavoritoHJS>:gun_ always has been
00:33:51<@JAA>πŸŒπŸ‘¨β€πŸš€πŸ”«πŸ‘¨β€πŸš€πŸŒŒ
00:35:28<fireonlive>😁
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01:14:21<fireonlive>https://www.theverge.com/23778253/google-reader-death-2013-rss-social
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03:36:31<@JAA>A response from someone in the core MDN team, apparently nobody was aware this was happening: https://github.com/mdn/yari/issues/9208#issuecomment-1615411943
03:41:38<fireonlive>JAA: that's.. concerning
03:44:25<@JAA>Just a little... lol
03:49:42<@JAA>Nice: https://github.com/kkuchta/css-only-chat 'A truly monstrous async web chat using no JS whatsoever on the frontend'
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04:29:59<nicolas17>happy mailing list membership reminder day
04:31:48<jasonswohl>mailing list to............? nicolas17
04:32:14<nicolas17>jasonswohl: mailman sends reminders at the beginning of the month by default :P
04:32:50<jasonswohl>nicolas17 reminders for? sorry for my ignorance :(
04:33:34<nicolas17>these are the mailing lists you're subscribed to, here's how you can unsubscribe
04:33:47<nicolas17>"This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your kde.org mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on."
04:34:31<jasonswohl>so this is a thing that reminds you of things your subbed to, and sends you a monthly reminder of such?
04:36:18<myself>the lists themselves send it out
04:36:18<jasonswohl>nicolas17 ^
04:37:12<jasonswohl>ah, i still feel like i'm hugely missing something though...........
04:37:40<fireonlive>it's the start of a new month, when @monthly cronjobs run
04:37:51<myself>if you subscribed to any mailman lists, you'd know about it :P don't worry about it
04:38:33<nicolas17>happy digitalocean bandwidth quota reset day too, I guess
04:38:58<jasonswohl>ok, so for the services that notify, notifications are coming. seeing as how i am clearly not in this category....... got it. Sorry for the "spam" nicolas17
04:38:59<fireonlive>happy digitalocean couldn't charge my credit card day
04:39:07<nicolas17>ohno
04:39:15<fireonlive>jasonswohl: nothing wrong wth learning :3
04:39:43<jasonswohl>fireonlive here we are again w/ my ignorance........ digitalocean = ISP?
04:39:57<fireonlive>server provider; digitalocean.com
04:40:03<jasonswohl>fireonlive ty all for understanding ^
04:40:18<jasonswohl>ah, ok, that name did indeed ring a bell
04:40:32<jasonswohl>but also they have bandwidth limits?!
04:40:34<fireonlive>my autogenerated avatar looks like a dildo -_-
04:40:51<jasonswohl>fireonlive is that a bad thing?! :) lol
04:40:52<myself>sounds like a win!
04:40:56<fireonlive>:3
04:41:02<fireonlive>i don't mind them.. :p
04:41:12<fireonlive>yeah most cloud services have limits or charge on gigabyte egress
04:41:20<fireonlive>(server β†’ clients)
04:41:47<fireonlive>some don't and they're the GOAT
04:41:48<fireonlive>:D
04:41:49<nicolas17>the smol $6/mo virtual machine comes with 1TB per month
04:42:01<jasonswohl>o 100% but alot of the VPS providers at the least i see ad spots for on YT vids, its unlimited bw
04:43:03<nicolas17>and I like how clear digitalocean is about it
04:43:33<fireonlive>ooh digitalocean has applepay now
04:43:34<fireonlive>fancy
04:43:48<jasonswohl>and nicolas17 fireonlive i;ve seen both in the past cause at some point i wanted to use a VPS for my linux isos...... but man, having the ability for a S2S on a VPS = dedicated server, which = big $$$, and fuck all that. At least digital is clear about it, and that is good. however, in my humble opinion w/ all this bs........
04:43:50<fireonlive>ofc everything is in USD or EUR so i'm getting fucked
04:44:35<jasonswohl>of bandwidth costs, and peering agreements, and route priority. its just so fucked up vs what the "internet" is supposed to be
04:44:36<fireonlive>ye some are unlimited, like online.net, hetzner, ovh
04:44:46<nicolas17>"1000 GiB per month" means "every hour you have that VM, you earn 1000 GiB / 672 = 1.5GiB into your bandwidth allowance bucket"
04:45:08<fireonlive>oh interesting
04:45:33<nicolas17>(672 hours = 28 days)
04:45:37<jasonswohl>nicolas17 further convoluting bw costs lol
04:45:43<nicolas17>and the pool of bandwidth is per account
04:45:56<jasonswohl>if, at least you're not just running it 24/7
04:46:18<nicolas17>so if you have two VMs, you don't have 1TB/mo on each, you have 2TB/mo on your account
04:46:43<nicolas17>"if you transfer 1,500 GiB of data with the first Droplet, which is over its individual limit, and 100 GiB of data with the second Droplet, you would still be under the total limit of 2000 GiB by 400 GiB and would not be charged any overage fees"
04:47:59<jasonswohl>and, i mean i kind of get it from a business perspective, if they have to pay, then so does the consumer BUT......... why in the fuck are their ingress/egress fees in the first place if especially you are paying some kind of a subscription to support the underlying infrasctructure to support at a phys level the I/O of the ingress/egress whether it
04:48:00<jasonswohl>be AWS/netflix/google drive, etc
04:48:05<nicolas17>AWS Lightsail has a similar model of "you get 1TB/month with this particular VM type" but they don't tell you how they count it, if it's per instance or per account, can't see much you used or "earned" so far, etc
04:50:27<jasonswohl>and, on above note from nicolas17 aws seem to be imo assholes who price gouge based on demand (as it seems some of the other big players in cloud) and, in the specific case of say, backblaze where egress = additional drive wear, and elec cost, sure makes sense but, from my last reading they are ~20% of others
04:50:55<nicolas17>also, digitalocean has pretty generous data quotas (1TB/mo for the $6/mo VM, higher for more expensive ones, and it obviously multiplies if you have more of them), and charges $0.01/GB for excess beyond the quota
04:51:30<nicolas17>AWS gives you a free 100GB/mo total, doesn't matter if you have 1 or 1000 servers running, and charges $0.09/GB beyond that
04:51:50<nicolas17>it's absurdly high
04:52:34<fireonlive>oh wait lightsail has limits now?
04:52:47<fireonlive>i guess it was only a matter of time...
04:53:26<jasonswohl>for "DO" not tooo bad and, as a very light user for AWS the same. BUT.......... especially for AWS unless you egress > lets say a PB/mo thats not even 0.000000% of anything regarding expense in the row of racks of the servers your VPSs are using...........
04:53:35<nicolas17>fireonlive: no, lightsail has a bigger free bandwidth quota than the rest of AWS!
04:53:51<fireonlive>i thought lightsail was unlimited for some reason
04:54:05<jasonswohl>fireonlive lightsail is = ?
04:54:07<nicolas17>and the excess is still $0.09/GB
04:54:27<nicolas17>Lightsail is a simplified VM service by AWS, kind of similar to DigitalOcean
04:54:35<jasonswohl>even 0.0000001% * ^^^ lol
04:54:37<fireonlive>yeah
04:54:44<jasonswohl>ah, got it
04:54:55<nicolas17>easier to use / less features than their normal EC2
04:55:16<fireonlive>i tried to set up 'the lounge' in their kubernetes thing and just ended up giving up
04:55:16<fireonlive>lol
04:55:24<fireonlive>'fuck it give me an ec2'
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04:56:18<jasonswohl>i was briefly employed by an "AWS shop" that was an MSP, coming from another MSP that sold onsight dell servers/offered similar hosted in our colo and, i still struggle to think of the shortsitedness of completely moving to cloud........
04:56:28<jasonswohl>fireonlive the lounge?
04:56:49<fireonlive>a nice web based IRC client/bouncer https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge
04:56:54<jasonswohl>nicolas17 ah, got it
04:56:55<fireonlive>https://thelounge.chat
04:57:05<fireonlive>works on mobile as well
04:58:22<jasonswohl>thats an intersting topic......... me/a couple friends have been struggling with the terrible that was hangouts, now chat.......... 1 of us had pushed us to move to discord. I;ve 1/2 made promises of hosting a chat app for us........ (with easier file/vid sharing)
04:59:19<fireonlive>you'd need your own ircd (or reuse one but eh)
04:59:31<fireonlive>but one thing to note is you can't 'share to' the web app
04:59:43<fireonlive>i.e. you can go to it and select photos/video/etc
04:59:50<jasonswohl>so, IRC = basically chat only?
05:00:00<fireonlive>but can't go from 'this image is funny' β†’ share sheet β†’ the lounge
05:00:22<fireonlive>nah, the lounge inlines images if you link to them and can host them itsself if you wish
05:00:46<fireonlive>there's just some shortcomings in fluidity people expect
05:01:15<jasonswohl>ok, interesting and tab is opened. they are both engineers, so potentially overcomable...
05:01:21<jasonswohl>ircd = ?!
05:01:41<fireonlive>IRC (internet relay chat) daemon
05:01:49<fireonlive>i.e. https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum
05:01:57<fireonlive>what your client is talking now to talk to us :)
05:02:00<flashfire42>I piggy back off of Kiska Lounge network
05:02:12<flashfire42>I also have a matrix bridge as a backup now
05:02:17<jasonswohl>oooo, so just another aspect of the self hosting aside from the portforwarding considerations
05:02:31<fireonlive>ye
05:02:37<fireonlive>the lounge is just a frontend
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05:02:46<fireonlive>can connect to hackint, anywhere
05:02:51<jasonswohl>(and, security) ^ :) (i did ~8 years in IT)
05:03:18<fireonlive>but usually 'a group of friends' want more control over their chat server
05:03:41<jasonswohl>flashfire42 intersting that you could piggy back off another network, this does indeed seem like a rabbit hole for me.............
05:03:42<fireonlive>in mine f.e. we have flood limits relaxed for bots
05:04:08<fireonlive>flashfire42 means he uses kiska's hosted instance of the lounge to connect, since it supports multiple user logins
05:04:26<jasonswohl>fireonlive yeah, 100% but, for my use case it's literally 3 people
05:04:33<fireonlive>ye
05:04:46<flashfire42>Yeah I bludge off kiska, Nice bloke. Very smart. Not bad looking.
05:04:53<jasonswohl>so you can use your own frontend to piggyback on someone else hosted daemon for your own channels?
05:04:58<fireonlive>not bad looking you say?
05:05:08<fireonlive>yeah, hackint is one such example
05:05:16<fireonlive>is just an irc network
05:05:38<jasonswohl>*@jasonswohl opens tab to look into IRC "tech"
05:05:40<fireonlive>you do have some sort of implicit trust with whatever network you choose but hackint seems cool
05:06:23<jasonswohl>"network" meaning what your piggybacking on?
05:06:43<flashfire42>IRC is like 10+ years older than me at least
05:07:01<fireonlive>there's also other self hosted options, matrix (synapse/element/fluffychat), rocketchat, etc)
05:07:27<flashfire42>Matrix is a bridge tho at the end of the day you are still connecting to hackint
05:07:30<flashfire42>It could be worse
05:07:34<flashfire42>we used to use Efnet
05:07:41<flashfire42>Fuck the netsplits were horrendous
05:07:48<fireonlive>an irc server is just what a client (mIRC, irssi, weechat, the lounge, webirc, etc) connects to for people to meet up on
05:08:07<jasonswohl>i've been fascinated with "tech" from 6 y/o with vastly varying levels of curiosity, have heard of IRC, usenet, other such "old" tech just, not as knowledable as i'd personally like to be
05:08:16<jasonswohl>(i'm 34)
05:08:34<fireonlive>network is just a group of IRC servers together who like each other very much basically - clients can connect to any server on them and see everyone else on the other servers
05:09:35<jasonswohl>fireonlive ok that makes sense. Apeer of servers all of which host the same channels amongst? or some of which only exclusively host channels?
05:10:06<fireonlive>generally all servers see all channels
05:10:40<jasonswohl>understood ^ fireonlive seems i really need to go down the IRC rabbit hole lol
05:11:20<fireonlive>it all dates back to 1993....
05:11:29<fireonlive>ish
05:11:35<fireonlive>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1459
05:11:51<fireonlive>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1459#section-1.1 see here for an old school diagram :D
05:12:06<fireonlive>but note that's out of date by now and there's "IRCv3" extensions and and
05:12:17<fireonlive>(as you can see in the right by Updated by RFC 2810, RFC 2811, RFC 2812, RFC 2813, RFC 7194)
05:12:25<fireonlive>(also https://ircv3.net)
05:13:23<fireonlive>if you set up your charybdis and wonder where the fuck your nickserv and chanserv sare
05:13:29<fireonlive>well; here's another rabbit hole have fun https://atheme.dev
05:13:32<fireonlive>lol
05:14:01<fireonlive>but yeah idk; the mobile experience isn't the most amazing; but if your friends are so-called "turbo nerds" maybe they'd like it
05:14:26<fireonlive>all depends how you communicate
05:15:14<jasonswohl>many many tabs are now opened! trying to multitask this convo whilst 1/2 getting through "wan show"
05:15:27<fireonlive>ah yes friday again :)
05:15:45<jasonswohl>by and large our communications are text, some pics, and the rare vid
05:16:54<fireonlive>do you typically use mobile to talk? share links from other apps?
05:17:37<jasonswohl>the problem with "chat" is 2/3 of us are android, remainder is.....IOS. notifications are to put it lightly a pile of hot garbage, and when trying to load multimedia of any kind, it'll load instantaneously/1hour from receipt. Sharing links is a thing as well occasionally, but mostly we'll copy/past
05:17:49<fireonlive>i mean the lounge has an API if y'all up to making a way to have your share sheet POST to it :P
05:17:53<jasonswohl>because on android the "share" feature is.......... useless
05:18:01<fireonlive>a la IRC shortcuts (or archiveteam/http2irc bot)
05:18:28<jasonswohl>ie: whenever we "share" a thing it just plops it into a sheet for later reference?!
05:18:57<jasonswohl>also yes, indeed friday i had 1/2 forgotten until i got the YT notification of WAN show being live LOL
05:19:37<fireonlive>nah it just spits it out in whatever channel (room) you use
05:19:47<fireonlive>that's my hacky workaround to not being able to share to a PWA lol
05:20:04<jasonswohl>lol fair enough
05:20:09<fireonlive>iOS shortcut β†’ post request β†’ bot sends a message to #archiveteam-ot kinda thing
05:20:27<jasonswohl>ah..... got it
05:20:33<jasonswohl>notes have been taken
05:21:01<fireonlive>i plan to add file sharing support eventually (take photo POST it to right end point blah blah blah)
05:21:03<fireonlive>but
05:21:07<fireonlive>ya know, energy
05:21:17<jasonswohl>and, i do have this IRC opened on my VM that is on 24/7 so i dont have to activelly be logged in at all time to be able to catch up
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05:21:54<jasonswohl>that'd be really cool ^ but isn't that what imgur is for?! lol
05:22:03<flashfire42>Imgur sucks
05:22:03<fireonlive>have you not been in #imgone
05:22:04<fireonlive>:P
05:22:05<flashfire42>lol
05:22:15<fireonlive>also imgur compresses the fook out of your images
05:22:26<jasonswohl>ah, the compression issue...........
05:22:29<fireonlive>i like my high res dictionary pictures
05:22:36<fireonlive>also just like keeping my stuff myself
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05:23:00<jasonswohl>gl trying to send a pic from android > iphone user via text.............
05:23:04<fireonlive>you can even do stuff like RSS feeds to different channels if you really want a la #intenttoship or #dev-security-policy
05:23:13<fireonlive>yeah that always sucks
05:23:29<jasonswohl>OR heaven forbid a vid............ like...... when i've ever wanted to send a vid i've just u/led a priv vid to youtube
05:23:32<fireonlive>the possibilities are endless when you host some sort of something chat service
05:24:18<jasonswohl>have been heavily meaning to set up self hosted nextcloud for the folder sync on my phone, and shareable link features
05:25:33<fireonlive>:)
05:25:43<jasonswohl>my only issue is the involvement of self hosting chat for absolute max 10 people, and thats if i likely paid a couple people or more to participate. whereas i think other services have that more or less built in?
05:26:20<jasonswohl>any of ya'll have experience with nextcloud?
05:27:47<fireonlive>long ago in a land far far away
05:27:52<fireonlive>it looks quite different now
05:27:55<jasonswohl>also, as an aside for anyone who thoroughly enjois a creator that is available on floatplane........ OMFG the vid/audio qual is stupendous (sorry if i'm a "shill" )
05:29:13<jasonswohl>fireonlive i had briefly installed an .OVA but hit issues integrating it into my current environment (ESXI, windows domain) should have followed ubuntu server install/similar instructions
05:29:38<fireonlive>i do like to rawdog (or at least docker) when possible
05:30:00<fireonlive>though docker is usually more 'in a bow' these days...
05:30:24<fireonlive>gotta put some skill points into it though and make sure you don't accidentally your data
05:30:31<fireonlive>(also always keep backups anyways)
05:31:13<fireonlive>also don't yeet it all into google drive pls
05:31:15<jasonswohl>i have a friend who loves docker/containers. and as a 1/2 former sysadmin i see the appeal, but for me. I feel like the difference between container, and just managing another VM are
05:31:28<jasonswohl>negligible
05:31:29<fireonlive>b2 works for cheap 'just in case'
05:31:49<fireonlive>also in general
05:31:51<fireonlive>but ye
05:32:41<jasonswohl>i, did accidently delete a ~5tb VMDK w/ all my media on it........... crashplan wouldnt allow me to give them $180 for disk to door restore because > 3tb took ~3 months to dl backed up data
05:33:19<jasonswohl>did the whole non consumer pricing for a bit, then me and a couple friends just built a backup server
05:34:09<jasonswohl>i've been a huge fan of backblaze for many many years at this point but, the $ for B2 is > then me managing my own backup reqs
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05:36:47<jasonswohl>also don't yeet it all into google drive pls<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, as for that i'll occasionally see a reddit post "i have 100TB or w/e in google drive and they sent me an "we're pissed off about this amount of data start paying us" what do i do about it posts. and it's like.......... come the fuck on man, did you really believe them, especially with that
05:36:47<jasonswohl>much data you'd be ok long term?!
05:38:25<fireonlive>they love hosting that data totally <_<
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05:39:20<fireonlive>just ignore the 3PB of WARCS i'm uploading suddenly to IA for no reason whatsoever
05:39:22<fireonlive>:p
05:40:33<jasonswohl>fireonlive lol and, when i had ~4tb on crashplan consumer i felt a lil bad about it..... but........ was under the assumption they were profitable, doing ok and so on, then they gone done were just fucking horrible
05:40:45<fireonlive>* don't actually use IA as your own personal cloud storage or Jason Scott will personally hunt you down and John Wick you
05:41:19<fireonlive>yeeee :x
05:41:24<jasonswohl>no reason whatsoever?! how do you u/l to them in the first place directly? or is that just what your "warriors" have been doing?
05:41:57<jasonswohl>what is the jason scott reference too?!!!!!!!!!!!
05:42:14<jasonswohl>cause, if it's not obvious........ thats my 1st/middle name
05:42:49<fireonlive>i mean if you happen to have a copy of a gay magazine from the 1980s and make a hires scan of it just visit archive.org and hit upload
05:43:02<fireonlive>or, you know, other stuff of importance that's not there
05:43:25<fireonlive>also just visit it for fun cause there's a lot of neat stuff β„’ to explore
05:43:30<jasonswohl>so, anything that isnt on IA, that at some point was "public" can be uploaded
05:43:55<fireonlive>i mean they do a lot of in house stuff but there's a lot of contributions too
05:44:08<jasonswohl>right o right o ^
05:44:36<jasonswohl>as for neat stuff......... i've glanced once/twice for sure
05:44:48<fireonlive>not sure what the ratio is
05:44:52<fireonlive>i have a guess but i shan't
05:44:53<fireonlive>:p
05:45:09<fireonlive>you'll never get bored on archive.org!
05:45:35<fireonlive>apparently "Hentai" is a front page featured collection
05:45:36<fireonlive>neat
05:45:50<jasonswohl>forget the details but recently there was a filesystem that is now being depreciated entirely. Primary dev killed/burreid his wife or something
05:46:00<fireonlive>lmfao
05:46:04<jasonswohl>omg ^ @hentai
05:46:05<fireonlive>yeah there's some memes about that
05:46:22<fireonlive>reiserfs
05:46:27<jasonswohl>right o
05:46:34<fireonlive>https://i.imgur.com/vJKgPmn.jpg
05:46:38<jasonswohl>apparently there is a movie about it
05:47:28<jasonswohl>lol ^
05:47:38<fireonlive>do they dream, jason? https://archive.org/details/ElectricSheep
05:48:22<fireonlive>also jason scott aka textfiles aka SketchCo\w is a notable archive.org employee and general archivist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott
05:48:41<fireonlive>to put notable mildly
05:48:58<flashfire42>He is an asshole and a madman and we love him very dearly
05:48:59<fireonlive>also the founding member? of archiveteam
05:49:20<fireonlive>https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/User:Jscott
05:49:25<fireonlive>the resident loudmouth
05:50:21<jasonswohl>good to know i wasnt in the process of being ......4channed or something of the like ^ re: elec sheep with a skim vaguely reminds me of "irobot" sort of stuff
05:50:45<jasonswohl>flashfire42 why asshole? or should i just read the wiki?
05:51:33<flashfire42>I take it you have never spoken to him then XD. I still look up to him but he is a self confessed asshole hahahaha. Jason is an eccentric individual. A well respected one for a reason but by golly.
05:51:43<flashfire42>I say it with no malice
05:53:08<fireonlive>https://digipres.club/@textfiles/110634041505470431 stuff is always happening in archive land
05:53:30<jasonswohl>flashfire42 i clearly have some reading to do however. At one point a very good friend of mine described me as "The nicest asshole"
05:56:56<jasonswohl>flashfire42 i've been 1/2 struggling to find a IT job (been vaguely picky about it) my brother (my 4 yr jr) was like look, you should get into a trade, you can swear, shoot the shit, talk as you'd like (vague pirate tendencies if you'd like) and be in an environment you'd likely better appreciate
05:59:40<jasonswohl>that was ~5 months ago, have since applied and should be starting for paid by employer school to be a machinist, really excited about it. Because although i was a lil pissy about my little brothers opinions, he was right. I was sick of the "grind" in the office, and dealing with "yes, the light is on, but there isn't anything showing up on the
05:59:40<jasonswohl>screen" people, or, micromanageent, etc
06:00:59<jasonswohl>thank you for all the inspired rabbit holes i'll be going into though if some of ya'll are done for the night
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06:12:13<fireonlive>:3
06:12:45<fireonlive>good luck in the trades :)
06:13:54<jasonswohl>fireonlive ty ty 1st time in ~4+ years i've been excited about a new job, and 10 years since i hadda go to "school" lol
06:16:50<fireonlive>:D
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06:19:47<jasonswohl>so, for me ~lifetime interest in computers, late intro into the field, did some MSP helpdesk/sysadmin, resume gap, sick of super lowball offers for work. Curious on your vague experience? obviously, no is acceptable
06:20:17<jasonswohl>fireonlive lil weird to have to go to "school" even if for only 7 weekd
06:20:28<jasonswohl>ffs............. weeks
06:21:06<fireonlive>:3 nothing wrong with some adult education
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06:21:13<fireonlive>but yeah
06:21:18<fireonlive>i could see that
06:21:44<jasonswohl>i dont
06:23:44<jasonswohl>..... live by "if you dont learn something everyday" sort of mentality" but i 1/2 try to follow it. Mostly youtube, books, or just progression of skill in anything i like doing or am interested in. Try to express that upon my 2 kids
06:24:30<jasonswohl>TLDR, i like learning ^
06:26:33<fireonlive>good! stay curious
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06:29:05<jasonswohl>fireonlive that's the plan! :) more knowledge = more hobbies :)
06:41:15<fireonlive>:)
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07:23:28<voltagex|m>hey what is the state of the art of personal archiving / scraping? I am thinking I need something self hosted + a browser extension to allow me to scrape content that's paywalled/dynamic
07:42:23<spirit>dont know but these are in my bookmarks: https://github.com/wabarc/wayback https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox https://github.com/kanishka-linux/reminiscence
08:11:41<tzt>voltagex|m: self-hosted: https://github.com/archiveteam/grab-site, browser-extension: https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile
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08:49:43<fireonlive>https://archive.ph/2023.07.01-084601/https://twitter.com/automaetopia/status/1674898001658265600
08:50:06<fireonlive>1) interesting, testing a new url format for archive.tld?
08:50:13<fireonlive>2) yeah fuck you google lol
08:50:39<fireonlive>😳
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09:31:40<fireonlive>https://archive.ph/2023.07.01-092927/https://twitter.com/basti564/status/1674942976177631232
09:31:52<fireonlive>big numbers for gd
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10:18:17<spirit>i want to image a disk via ssh to backup hetzner snapshots locally, is there anything better than dd?
10:25:09<spirit>hm definitely something that skips empty parts, maybe xz is enough
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13:58:27<pabs>https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/CoolUrlsGoInaccessible
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17:08:58<@JAA>So the AI nonsense on MDN got paused 'due to a controversial disscussion of this feature'. To be continued next week.
17:09:01<@JAA>https://github.com/mdn/yari/commit/1bf285612ca2a2741795916fbe7fd2549e6b0013
17:12:20<fireonlive>lol
17:12:25<fireonlive>good good
17:15:04<joepie91|m>nowhere near good enough tbh
17:15:22<joepie91|m>this is a major governance incident
17:17:26<@JAA>Yeah
17:17:37<@JAA>Apparently it came from Mozilla without consulting the MDN people.
17:17:47<fireonlive>indeed, but at least it's killed in the meantime
17:17:52<fireonlive>i do hope hell is raise
17:17:55<fireonlive>raised*
17:18:55<jasonswohl>so, whats the deal w/ that?
17:18:57<@JAA>See https://github.com/mdn/yari/issues/9208#issuecomment-1615694036 onwards
17:19:16<@arkiver>any background info on this?
17:19:21<@arkiver>i have not bene following this
17:19:23<@arkiver>been*
17:21:36<@JAA>arkiver: Mozilla added an 'AI explain' feature to MDN. Predictably, it's spouting nonsense, and the people using MDN are not amused.
17:21:59<fireonlive>yeah, bypassing the maintainers of the project/normal process/etc
17:22:15<@arkiver>oof blegh :/
17:22:16<@JAA>That issue 9208 has all the discussion, but it can be summarised as: 'who the fuck thought that was a good idea, and why did it get to production without serious discussion with MDN maintainers?'
17:22:18<fireonlive>just 'i have admin rights to everything heres my commit to main' sorta style it seems
17:23:03<@JAA>It was done via PR, but yeah, major new features should always go through internal processes obviously.
17:23:42<fireonlive>ah ok
17:24:17<fireonlive>but ye
17:39:27<nulldata>I wouldn't be surprised at this point if we see Mozilla launch "Fox Chat"/"Fox Bar" and embed it into Firefox ala Bing and Edge sometime in the near future.
17:40:17<nulldata>With the only way of removal being a bunch of flags to turn off in about:config :P
17:42:23<fireonlive>member Persona and FirefoxOS
17:42:25<fireonlive>i member
17:42:30<fireonlive>uwu
17:44:19<nulldata>Or even now - Pocket
17:44:45<fireonlive>(via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36547891) https://wefwef.app/ looks interesting, from a PWA perspective (https://github.com/aeharding/wefwef)
17:44:51<fireonlive>have they murdered pocket yet
17:45:27<fireonlive>don't click on it JAA, it's only javascript :p
17:45:49<fireonlive>lemmy.world is hard down though so i picked the best time to link that
17:46:02<@JAA>Or Colorways, a time-limited ... interface colour change.
17:46:05<nulldata>Nope, Pocket is still around. They just merged Firefox accounts and Pocket accounts earlier this week
17:46:26<fireonlive>you can change the instance in the account switcher button though
17:46:37<fireonlive>ahh :c
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18:25:33<Barto>https://archive.org/details/far-cry-1.34-complete wut
18:29:21<fireonlive>yep lol
18:29:35<fireonlive>i grabbed a copy in case it was darkened
18:30:10<jasonswohl>fireonlive how big is it?
18:31:33<nulldata>73.6MB
18:31:54<jasonswohl>ooooo then that can be seeded by my SSD storage :)
18:31:54<nulldata>It's just the source - no assets.
18:32:55<Barto>and looks like the code doesnt compile by itself
18:33:05<jasonswohl>yeah, makes sense
18:33:29<Barto>everytime i see those code dump i always want to grep for curses to see how the programmer felt about this code
18:34:10<@JAA>// evil floating point bit level hacking
18:34:11<@JAA>// what the fuck?
18:34:50<jasonswohl>lol
18:37:44<Barto>i was thinking about that exact line from the quake 3 codebase :D
18:38:12<Barto>took me years to understand it was somewhat of an empirically value for a newton's iteration
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18:43:16<fireonlive>https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/ngkonQo4Joxi.jpg
18:43:25<fireonlive>engage elon mode, i guess
18:43:34<jasonswohl>lol
18:44:19<fireonlive>also.. >posts
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19:21:15<fireonlive>https://youtu.be/ca0RpxknHCI
19:21:18<fireonlive>???????
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19:48:14<fireonlive>there goes my twitter rate limit lol
19:48:25<fireonlive>loading replies count of course so
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19:54:55<fireonlive>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz-QIQFWwAE8JCd?format=jpg&name=orig
19:55:04<fireonlive>curious, wonder why :)
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20:16:46<fireonlive>wow, people or bots are going crazy on twitter search for bluesky invite codes
20:17:22<fireonlive>tried to use a few out of curiosity and a bunches of them posted literally seconds ago were already taken up :p
20:17:47<fireonlive>i think i'll stick with activitypub anyhow :3
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21:06:25<Maddie>Whats a good/easy way to archive websites, currently I just wget -k https://example.com but not all links will get converted properly and it isn't a browsable archive that I recieve. I would like something that can actually be browsed in exactly the same way as if I had just went to https://example.com myself. 99% of the websites I'm looking to archive are without any
21:06:26<Maddie>javascript nor serverside scripting, thay're just normal static html files, in some cases I've been provided a git repo with the servers web directory but thats pretty rarely the case.
21:08:16<Maddie>(You know like how you can properly browse web.archive.org and it automaticly handles going to other websites and loads all images correcly and links(!!! importent one for me) work correctly, all without makeing any connections outside of web.archive.org)
21:09:11<Maddie>I basicly want my own web.archive.org I guess. (Would be an added bonus if others could benifit from my archives aswell).
21:12:45<trumad|m>this was posted earlier: self-hosted: https://github.com/archiveteam/grab-site, browser-extension: https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile
21:17:55<fireonlive>as well as "dont know but these are in my bookmarks: https://github.com/wabarc/wayback https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox https://github.com/kanishka-linux/reminiscence"
21:18:53<Maddie>:O grab-site sounds perfect, will try tomarrow (because I just saw what time it is, haha, I'm up laaaaate).
21:25:05<fireonlive>have a good night :3
21:26:44<@JAA>grab-site with pywb for playback should work well, yeah.
21:38:19<fireonlive>archivebox is what i use at the moment but it needs a little bit of love
21:38:53<fireonlive>going to πŸ‘€ what’s out there too wrt the above
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21:49:50<fireonlive>at least one national weather service account warning others to have (multiple) backup ways to follow about warnings now
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21:54:03<@JAA>fireonlive: ArchiveBox uses wget, so it produces weird WARCs that many tools probably can't read.
21:54:17<fireonlive>ah fuck
21:54:19<fireonlive>ok
21:54:55<fireonlive>i first used it 2022-05-07 πŸ˜…
21:55:30<fireonlive>friend and I wanted a way to 'save' a webpage for later and i was like hm this looks ok and easy enough at a quick glance
21:55:52<@JAA>https://github.com/wabarc/wayback also seems to use wget.
21:57:03<fireonlive>reminiscence seems to as well
21:57:29<fireonlive>oh, doesn't make warcs at all
21:57:36<fireonlive>https://github.com/kanishka-linux/reminiscence/issues/13
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23:02:18<fireonlive>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz_H61-XsAABBwC?format=png&name=orig
23:02:25<fireonlive>bluesky has closed the gates
23:02:36<nicolas17>even with an invite code?
23:02:40<nicolas17>fun
23:02:44<fireonlive>yep
23:17:47imer (imer) joins
23:22:00<@JAA>zstd using 'MB' for MiB makes me angry.
23:22:49<fireonlive>>:(
23:22:55<fireonlive>time to file a bug
23:23:43<@JAA>Looks like it's supposed to use the *iB units: https://github.com/facebook/zstd/pull/2702
23:24:04<@JAA>But that's for the final output, I'm referring to the progress messages.
23:24:17<@JAA>This is a rather old zstd version though, maybe it got fixed since.
23:56:09<pabs>Maddie: post the sites you want saved on #archiveteam-bs, folks there will ArchiveBooooooooooooooooot them :)
23:56:46<pabs>er, s/ArchiveBooooooooooooooooot/ArchiveBot/

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