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| 00:29:56 | <NoxiousPluK> | oh hi |
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| 00:31:21 | <NoxiousPluK> | :D |
| 00:31:28 | <cdub> | And here we are! |
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| 00:31:46 | <NoxiousPluK> | off-topic party time |
| 00:32:03 | <jasonswohl> | yes indeed! |
| 00:34:14 | <cdub> | So, uh, how's everyone doin' tonight? |
| 00:34:51 | <NoxiousPluK> | just woke up at ~2am :D |
| 00:35:57 | <cdub> | ugh, thats rarely a good thing... |
| 00:36:18 | <NoxiousPluK> | my rhythm is.. creative lately. but at least now I can avoid the heat for a few hours |
| 00:40:56 | <douglasg14b> | Woke up at 2 AM? jebuz |
| 00:41:20 | <NoxiousPluK> | went to sleep at.. 4pm it seems :D |
| 00:41:26 | <NoxiousPluK> | healthy.. "night" of sleep :D |
| 00:43:39 | <cdub> | It's been a gorgeous spring in my neck of the woods, very unusual |
| 00:44:09 | <NoxiousPluK> | Very nice; here it's been crazy hot already for the time of year. But it's been ramping up like that year after year anyway recently |
| 00:46:02 | <@JAA> | It went straight from basically winter to summer here a couple weeks ago. |
| 00:46:23 | <@JAA> | Spring's a myth. |
| 00:47:34 | <imer> | yeah, summer kinda just appeared out of nowhere, but then again I am surprised we're nearly halfway through june already (not to mention it being june at all) |
| 00:49:16 | <cdub> | Usually June is in the high 80s low 90s here. It got up to 77 today and right now its a very comfortable 69. I'd convert all that to celsius, but freedom units are hard |
| 00:49:47 | <NoxiousPluK> | haha |
| 00:50:25 | <douglasg14b> | Spring was a myth here as well. So was fall. I left for a 2 week trip when it was still green, came back and we had 2ft of snow and leaves hadn't even fallen yet. |
| 00:50:40 | <douglasg14b> | Went from "still snowing" to "80 and clear" in about a week |
| 00:52:52 | <cdub> | You guys are making feel bad I haven't had to run any AC or heat since late April. I can pay my electric/gas with couch change |
| 00:53:06 | <cdub> | :) |
| 00:54:51 | <jasonswohl> | @ddub thats some lucky shit re: elec lol I'm in new england sooooooo for all i know it might snow tomorrow lol |
| 00:55:30 | <NoxiousPluK> | well, here we don't have AC at all :P |
| 00:56:08 | <jasonswohl> | NoxiousPluK here=? |
| 00:56:13 | <NoxiousPluK> | Netherlands |
| 00:56:39 | <NoxiousPluK> | I suspect it might become more common for 'the rich' but generally 90%+ of people don't have AC at all. very uncommon here |
| 00:56:49 | <jasonswohl> | ooooo which is odd, not familiar with climate round those parts, but given all the renewable energy avail, isnt elec quite cheap? |
| 00:57:07 | <@JAA> | Yeah, same here in Switzerland. |
| 00:57:36 | <@JAA> | It just doesn't get hot enough often enough to be worth the effort of installing one. |
| 00:58:00 | <NoxiousPluK> | €0,84579 per kWh, but the first 2900kWh is limited to €0,40 :P |
| 00:58:15 | <cdub> | JAA i was in Interlaken last June, one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen... |
| 00:58:18 | <NoxiousPluK> | The war in Ukraine about tripled my electricity bill |
| 00:58:19 | <jasonswohl> | @jaa fair enough, i miss having the availability of a whole house fan, instead of strictly using A/C |
| 00:58:46 | <@JAA> | cdub: Interlaken itself, meh, but the surrounding mountains and lakes, yeah. :-) |
| 00:59:16 | <jasonswohl> | NoxiousPluK thats insane, its like $0.20/kwh here.......... |
| 00:59:24 | <jasonswohl> | googling interlaken ^ |
| 00:59:31 | <NoxiousPluK> | yea its been pretty wild |
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| 00:59:58 | <NoxiousPluK> | also many of the common affordable AC's (like window mounted) and such are not easily available |
| 01:00:03 | <NoxiousPluK> | it's as if the market doesn't exist |
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| 01:00:36 | <cdub> | JAA coming from mid Atlantic US, I didn't know water could be so blue |
| 01:00:45 | <imer> | I miss 2021 energy prices |
| 01:02:08 | <jasonswohl> | also, NoxiousPluK that really sucks about elec prices, and...... the whole ukraine thing is fucked for sure |
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| 01:05:54 | <NoxiousPluK> | jasonswohl yea it do be a bit of a mess; we'll see how it develops :D |
| 01:07:52 | <NoxiousPluK> | Playing with the new Debian 12 in a VM.. its nice |
| 01:08:22 | <NoxiousPluK> | Really want to switch my desktop OS over, but I play one game that won't run on Linux.. and I play it a lot. Rough |
| 01:09:19 | <jasonswohl> | NoxiousPluK hopefully the development is conclusion quickly with Ukraine kicking RUs ass out of there but, thats just me. Obvious condolences for losses on both sides |
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| 01:09:54 | <NoxiousPluK> | yea I feel the same about it as you |
| 01:09:57 | <cdub> | NoxiousPluK I was trying to stand up an instance of that at my kids house yesterday when everything went down. Router was replaced but when my ex reconnects all my servers the router dies again. No idea what happened |
| 01:10:33 | <jasonswohl> | NoxiousPluK TBH with all the privacy concerns out of late, i've wanted to switch to something non windows but.......... all the conviences of being on my own domain, redirected folders and such.......... hard to make the switch, and, playing minecraft on linux seems a PIA |
| 01:11:09 | <NoxiousPluK> | cdub lol that's wild. IP address conflict perhaps? that's odd tho |
| 01:11:40 | <jasonswohl> | @cdub try some wireshark, ip scanner? |
| 01:11:58 | <NoxiousPluK> | jasonswohl agreed. tbh I already use LTSC (enterprise) without telemetry, but I miss hanging around on a Linux system. Sadly I do play a lot of Rust (the game, not the language :P) and their version of EAC (easy anti-cheat) actively blocks Linux |
| 01:12:40 | <cdub> | NoxiousPluK Not sure, haven't been over there to troubleshoot. |
| 01:12:48 | <NoxiousPluK> | nice pizzle :D |
| 01:12:59 | <NoxiousPluK> | puzzle* |
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| 01:15:24 | <cdub> | NoxiousPluK Yeah, I was trying to set up a second instance of the achiveteam docker, but instead dox'ed my own fam... |
| 01:15:33 | <cdub> | lol |
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| 01:16:03 | <jasonswohl> | cdub i wish i had more "reach" into some of my families houses for exactly that purpose :) |
| 01:17:12 | <NoxiousPluK> | lol |
| 01:17:44 | <cdub> | jasonswohl I have a raspi in my mom's house in Wisconsin so I can VPN in and my YouTube TV let's me watch local Packer games, lol |
| 01:18:46 | <jasonswohl> | cdub thats a good setup I personally kind of am too cheap to pay for any of that shit.......... so, i use other meants to watch stuff |
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| 01:20:33 | <cdub> | jasonswohl I hear ya. I usually do to, this is the first season I'm going to trying this. And I just heard apple tv 17 os is going to have vpn apps so it should be a no brainer |
| 01:21:10 | <cdub> | But who knows. I've been wrong before, a lot. |
| 01:21:40 | <jasonswohl> | so you can use VPN directly on apple TV os? (allegedly) |
| 01:22:03 | <cdub> | That's the rumor |
| 01:22:21 | <jasonswohl> | that is kind of cool, if it works out |
| 01:22:32 | <cdub> | I use a mac mini as a server so I was just going to sue that but this makes it even easier |
| 01:22:47 | <cdub> | s/sue/use |
| 01:23:06 | <jasonswohl> | but........ cant you just sideload VPN, or just use your router and conditional forced gateways (like i do on some networks) ? |
| 01:26:00 | <cdub> | I hate the router idea. I'm not sure why specifically, but I split most of traffic btw 2 vpn providers and then let some traffic out unfettered. I guess I try and not let anyone have the whole picture. *puts on tin foil hat* |
| 01:27:04 | <jasonswohl> | cdub ya know, thats good point, but for me it seems it might reduce the effectiveness of my linux iso torrents lets say |
| 01:27:45 | <AmAnd0A> | Hey does anyone have any recommendations for discord message scrapers? Have a feeling I can maybe get some links for MediaFire or imgur |
| 01:28:07 | <cdub> | I hoard linux isos so I get it completely |
| 01:28:15 | <jasonswohl> | cdub although the plan ultimately once i get into my own house is to segment much moar better what traffic goes where, or is allowed to leave in the 1st place |
| 01:28:29 | <jasonswohl> | @cdub lol :) dont we all |
| 01:29:21 | <fireonlive> | AmAnd0A: https://github.com/Tyrrrz/DiscordChatExporter/ is alright |
| 01:29:40 | <cdub> | jasonswohl it's harder than I thought it would be. I find myself compromising far more than I thought I would |
| 01:29:46 | <fireonlive> | reco. exporting in json then using some sort of frontend |
| 01:29:58 | <fireonlive> | something like https://github.com/slatinsky/DiscordChatExporter-frontend |
| 01:30:35 | <cdub> | jasonswohl I think the more linux isos hoarded, the better :) |
| 01:30:42 | <AmAnd0A> | fireonlive okay let me see if I can do the JSON export. Would rather not have to enumerate each channel if I can avoid it |
| 01:30:44 | <AmAnd0A> | Thanks! |
| 01:31:13 | <jasonswohl> | cdub the plan is, once i get "there" is to put anything i'm unsure of on isolated network, log all DNS requets, then put those on a blacklist before i put them on a restricted network or something along those lines |
| 01:31:31 | <fireonlive> | AmAnd0A: you can specify whole server, specific category, or specific channel(s) |
| 01:31:39 | <fireonlive> | so no need to grab all the things |
| 01:31:56 | <fireonlive> | like that welcome channel that posts a png for every. single. join. |
| 01:31:58 | <jasonswohl> | o 100% i at all times try to maintain at least a .5:1 ratio on my WAN usage lol |
| 01:32:00 | <fireonlive> | o____o |
| 01:32:19 | <jasonswohl> | or, ideally 2:1 UL/DL |
| 01:32:55 | <fireonlive> | test |
| 01:33:22 | <cdub> | jasonswohl convenience will always be my downfall personally. Doesn't happen at work, just at home. I find a quick solution and never end up getting it working on a separate vlan for instance. |
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| 01:37:06 | <NoxiousPluK> | I feel this xD |
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| 01:37:18 | <cdub> | lol |
| 01:37:39 | <jasonswohl30> | i have an issue where my wifi randomly just ceases all IP traffic for no reason........... |
| 01:37:48 | <NoxiousPluK> | the ability to be lazy is very important to me |
| 01:38:04 | <NoxiousPluK> | I am well trained in it :D |
| 01:39:37 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK my fav "profession" |
| 01:40:10 | <cdub> | NoxiousPluK if I could get out of my own way I'm pretty sure I could have done great things. But I have procrastination and laziness down to a science. |
| 01:40:22 | <NoxiousPluK> | haha exactly |
| 01:40:41 | <jasonswohl30> | procrastination is my superpower......... lol |
| 01:41:28 | <jasonswohl30> | btw, not invoking a competition |
| 01:41:54 | <cdub> | Competition? I'll get to it in a minute... |
| 01:42:03 | <douglasg14b> | cdub re: Splitting traffic. How are you grouping open connections cleanly without breaking clients in network? Or do you just have whole clients assigned to one VPN or the other? |
| 01:42:07 | <jasonswohl30> | cdub well said |
| 01:42:30 | <jasonswohl30> | douglasg14b actually excellent question! |
| 01:43:16 | <douglasg14b> | I currently do something similar, have 2 VPN providers. But I just have network segments assigned to each, static. So they really get most of the story each depending on the device |
| 01:43:43 | <douglasg14b> | I don't even know how I'd randomize it in pfsense 😆 |
| 01:43:55 | <cdub> | douglasg14b the latter. My main machine connected to one vpn, my server (and main downloader) to another service. My phones are free (although they have the clients). It's just me so it's pretty easy. |
| 01:44:28 | <jasonswohl30> | douglasg14b so one range of IPs goes through one VPN, another range/subnet goes through another? |
| 01:46:45 | <douglasg14b> | Yeah I ahve two things going on. I have things split into VLANs, and then within a couple of those (IoT & Clients) I have the static vs DHCP ranged sent to different VPNs. I don't think it's any advantage, more aPITA than anything, just wanted to do it |
| 01:47:25 | <douglasg14b> | The worst part is that VPN endpoints often die, idk how to have automatic VPN fail-over in pfsense :( |
| 01:47:32 | <jasonswohl30> | honestly, that for me at least doesnt seem to difficult if you're the only person |
| 01:47:35 | <cdub> | I've run into to many problems with VPNs to anything like that. |
| 01:48:07 | <douglasg14b> | Well, me & my family. So only 4. If you include family with boxes setup for VPN tunnels then 9 |
| 01:48:19 | <jasonswohl30> | when you are consider people coming over, guest wifi, latency, etc becomes sightly complicated |
| 01:48:19 | <cdub> | I mean, they are crucial, but sometimes I just want to watch Netflix |
| 01:48:50 | <jasonswohl30> | netflix through VPN according to all the "adspots" on teh youtube seems likes it works fine lol |
| 01:49:08 | <douglasg14b> | I have to have some devices like the nvidia shield excluded from VPN because of that :/ |
| 01:49:17 | <douglasg14b> | Even ahve to have a few things excluded from DNSBL too |
| 01:49:27 | <cdub> | and my alcoholic girlfriend falls asleep while I try and fix it |
| 01:49:47 | <douglasg14b> | the worst is when your network doesn't perform when it needs to >_> |
| 01:49:59 | <cdub> | lol |
| 01:50:38 | <cdub> | That might've happened once or twice |
| 01:50:56 | <cdub> | Its ubiquiti equipment man |
| 01:51:00 | <douglasg14b> | I gave up on cross-vlan ulticast. It never seems to work right. |
| 01:51:03 | <douglasg14b> | multicast* |
| 01:51:32 | <jasonswohl30> | cdub having suffered a now very ex alcoholic GF (i'm 6'4" and her a foot shorter) she's broken my nose, a few damned bad black eyes. Not sure of your situ........... but GL, maybe get out of that situ |
| 01:51:44 | <douglasg14b> | lol |
| 01:52:09 | <nicolas17> | jasonswohl30: ex alcoholic or ex GF? |
| 01:52:11 | <jasonswohl30> | also, i love Ubiquiti wifi, hate there dream machine |
| 01:52:18 | <nicolas17> | phrasing was ambiguous |
| 01:52:54 | <jasonswohl30> | my ex is still an achoholic @ nicolas17 |
| 01:53:00 | <nicolas17> | lol |
| 01:53:38 | <douglasg14b> | I'm on the fence with Ubiquiti. Their ecosystem integration is great, wifi is great, their switches are okay, their prices are exorbitant. Their walled garden is not amusing with things like cameras. |
| 01:53:48 | <jasonswohl30> | nicolas17 i can happily mostly laugh about it now but o boy did it suck for awhile lol |
| 01:54:20 | <cdub> | jasonswohl appreciate the concern. She's not violent. I know violent drunks (see the comment about Green Bay). But I am a masochist and have a dream machine pro. |
| 01:54:21 | <jasonswohl30> | douglasg14b completely agree! and their supply issues seem pretty shit imo |
| 01:54:23 | <douglasg14b> | also who TF makes a 16 port switch with 1Gb SFP aggregation ports ?!?!? |
| 01:55:01 | <NoxiousPluK> | I was a network engineer for some years and really liked the HP ProCurve stuff; so that's what I got at home as well. Just a simple fanless 24 port switch, but with vlans and all the fun stuff |
| 01:55:09 | <NoxiousPluK> | it helps that I can dream the syntax |
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| 01:55:45 | <douglasg14b> | Yeah that helps! Ubiquity's main attraction is probably ease of use for weekend networkers |
| 01:55:53 | <douglasg14b> | Ubiquiti* |
| 01:56:04 | <NoxiousPluK> | my best memories include.. rightclicking in the wrong terminal, putting the wrong config in a switch 200km away, that promptly reboots and doesn't come back up |
| 01:56:10 | <Ivan226> | I think twitter's channel should just be something like Musk'd |
| 01:56:28 | <douglasg14b> | NoxiousPluKoof |
| 01:56:32 | <NoxiousPluK> | and then having to drive to that factory in the middle of the night, have a grumpy janitor open the gate for you, plug in console cable to laptop, laod in new config, fixed under a minute xD |
| 01:56:41 | <NoxiousPluK> | the 'under a minute' thing made the janitor more grumpy, surprisingly lmao |
| 01:56:48 | <nicolas17> | NoxiousPluK: Facebook did something similar (: |
| 01:57:00 | <NoxiousPluK> | ha yes at least in my case it wasn't BGP lol |
| 01:57:26 | <cdub> | NoxiousPluK I know that look |
| 01:57:31 | <NoxiousPluK> | :D |
| 01:58:10 | <jasonswohl30> | @cdub how do you like the dream machine? a friend of mine has it, and as a result recomended it for my mothers new house. And having to maintain it am not a fan of someone who previously had experience with sonicwall/pfsense |
| 01:58:46 | <NoxiousPluK> | sonicwall is... mixed feelings :D |
| 01:59:02 | <douglasg14b> | Parents have a normal dream machine. The remote management is nice. Though I'm loath to let ubiquiti cloud management into anyone's network |
| 01:59:05 | <nicolas17> | https://www.cbsnews.com/news/acid-poured-on-slides-at-massachusetts-playground-children-suffer-burns/ fucking psychopaths |
| 01:59:09 | <NoxiousPluK> | nice products, but their 'smart VOIP' stuff can interfere with your VOIP config a lot |
| 01:59:14 | <douglasg14b> | yowtf |
| 01:59:18 | <NoxiousPluK> | bruh wtf |
| 01:59:48 | <douglasg14b> | "The perpetrators entered the room through the ventilation shaft." |
| 01:59:50 | <douglasg14b> | Serious effort |
| 01:59:56 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK I at one point brought down a client network cause i accidently created a network loop, but no STP existed so, network = down Luckily it was 1/4mi from my house |
| 02:00:07 | <NoxiousPluK> | ouch xD |
| 02:00:20 | <jasonswohl30> | same opinions re: cloud mgmt douglasg14b |
| 02:00:31 | <NoxiousPluK> | I used to work at an ISP at the time VOIP just got introduced. Many times have I rebooted a customers modem remotely and be surprised that I lost the phone call.. for a split second |
| 02:01:14 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK lol i'd have expected that to be longer |
| 02:01:28 | <nicolas17> | maybe the split second was the surprise, not the drop :D |
| 02:01:30 | <jasonswohl30> | also....... damn the 200km drive does indeed sux hard |
| 02:01:32 | <NoxiousPluK> | oh the split second was the surprise, not the dropped call xD |
| 02:01:34 | <NoxiousPluK> | yea lol |
| 02:01:37 | <cdub> | jasonswohl30 I haven't had any problems with it, and it works really well. I haven't put one at my kids house and I am over there 3-4 times a week and could fix it easy. I don't know. If you don't mind supporting it, go for it. As for me, i'll let verizon take my exes abuse |
| 02:01:45 | <nicolas17> | the call drops-drops right? |
| 02:01:57 | <NoxiousPluK> | oh yea that was gone |
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| 02:02:03 | <nicolas17> | like if you want for the modem to finish rebooting... it's not coming back anyway |
| 02:02:17 | <nicolas17> | so how do you deal with that? |
| 02:02:35 | <nicolas17> | "sorry you'll have to call from your mobile phone instead to fix this problem"? |
| 02:03:55 | <jasonswohl30> | cdub personally i'd rather pfsense or OPNsense tbh over virtually any "vendor" for anything other than wifi/switching at this point, and it seems that potentially in the nearish future we might be able to order switch chasis and put our own open source switch OS on them |
| 02:04:08 | <NoxiousPluK> | I'd usually call back when I saw their line come back up but company policy was pretty much letting them call again |
| 02:04:15 | <NoxiousPluK> | which sucked for them because they would be back in the queue |
| 02:04:34 | <nicolas17> | they'd get a different rep and need to explain the problem all over again right? |
| 02:04:36 | <NoxiousPluK> | yea I'm very happy with OPNSense |
| 02:04:42 | <NoxiousPluK> | nicolas17 usually yea |
| 02:05:03 | <jasonswohl30> | ahhhhh the virtue of the "queue" :) |
| 02:05:09 | <NoxiousPluK> | amazing huh xD |
| 02:05:48 | <NoxiousPluK> | at least we got rated best ISP customer support for a few years in a row back then. they had actual people with knowledge and network tools even on the first line |
| 02:05:59 | <cdub> | jasonswohl30 I haven't used either of those in years, probably pfsense before it forked. But for a lot of those years I was busy with babies. God damn kids, lol. |
| 02:06:04 | <NoxiousPluK> | I left when they got bought by a larger company that immediately shafted the service desk |
| 02:06:30 | <jasonswohl30> | for gigles ~6 years ago i made a OPNsense vm and couldn't acess the webgui...... havent touched since boi ever do i miss the weekly reports i was able to get before pfsense got rid of rrd reports :( |
| 02:07:21 | <jasonswohl30> | cdub fair enough :) depending on what your doing, in a lot of cases it makes more sense to go with a "vendor" apposed to DIY |
| 02:07:52 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK left the ISP? |
| 02:08:08 | <NoxiousPluK> | yea that's when I got the network engineering job somewhere else |
| 02:08:36 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK understood |
| 02:09:03 | <fireonlive> | you know what they say about ubiquiti |
| 02:09:07 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK out of curiosity what was the infrastructure roundabouts when you left? |
| 02:09:13 | <fireonlive> | set it on an outlet timer to reboot twice a day |
| 02:09:13 | <NoxiousPluK> | and nowadays I work in software lol. still hard to decide what I like most in IT |
| 02:09:22 | <jasonswohl30> | fireonlive whats that? |
| 02:09:29 | <fireonlive> | then it's stable! |
| 02:09:30 | <fireonlive> | :p |
| 02:09:32 | <jasonswohl30> | fireonlive LOL! |
| 02:09:36 | <cdub> | jasonswohl30 Yeah, we get busy and old(er). I think Ubiquiti makes a fine product. But then so does meraki and I even think aruba puts out a prosumer line. |
| 02:09:41 | <fireonlive> | ...mostly :D |
| 02:09:48 | <cdub> | my first job was at UUNet |
| 02:10:16 | <nicolas17> | NoxiousPluK: that indecision is one of the many things holding me back altogether |
| 02:10:28 | <nicolas17> | "what kind of job are you looking for" "I DON'T KNOW" |
| 02:10:28 | <NoxiousPluK> | jasonswohl30 it was DOCSIS 2.0/3.0 mixed, but modified for Europe (EuroDOCSIS standard); cable ISP. Relatively small ISP that once started as an almost hobby project which made for a great team until they got bought out |
| 02:10:36 | <jasonswohl30> | cdub i think meraki makes GREAT WiFi stuff and great easy to manage everything else, but OMFG those licenses............ |
| 02:10:40 | <NoxiousPluK> | nicolas17 ha yes exactly |
| 02:11:06 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK got it and ty for reply |
| 02:11:13 | <NoxiousPluK> | np ^^ |
| 02:11:18 | <cdub> | jasonswohl30 oh, see, I haven't dealt with those. |
| 02:11:32 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK as a fan of elec engineering...... docsis is a SUPER cool tech |
| 02:12:38 | <jasonswohl30> | but in the real world, pull your head out of your ass and deploy fiber, a high upfront cost, then MUCH lower support and upgrade cost over, basically any timeframe (AFAIK) |
| 02:13:10 | <nicolas17> | did you see the "ADSL over unplugged cable" post? |
| 02:13:15 | <cdub> | jasonswohl30 are you and EE? |
| 02:13:32 | <cdub> | s/and/an |
| 02:14:24 | <jasonswohl30> | nicolas17 would love a link |
| 02:14:26 | <nicolas17> | jasonswohl30: https://mk.absturztau.be/notes/9fk6h8snah |
| 02:14:28 | <NoxiousPluK> | jasonswohl30yea agreed. I hobby a bit with electronics (mostly ESP based stuff) and its fun tech, but then there's fiber :D |
| 02:14:30 | <nicolas17> | was searching for it |
| 02:15:33 | <jasonswohl30> | cdub no, but 1/2 of my "best friends" are. And i as much as possible keep up on any topics that i deem interesting this being one of them |
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| 02:16:38 | <fireonlive> | why is best friends in scare quotes there |
| 02:16:46 | <cdub> | jasonswohl30 it's a great hobby, and there is a lot to learn (I'm not one either) |
| 02:16:49 | <jasonswohl30> | NoxiousPluK its been my goal to start getting into things more EE based as i so frequently have the though "how hard could it be" but that might be because i watch as much youtube as i do, AND have watched as much top gear as i hacve |
| 02:17:00 | <nicolas17> | "one of the many things holding me back altogether" |
| 02:17:10 | <nicolas17> | the others being my anxiety, zero self esteem, inability to explain my non-work experience in a resume, etc |
| 02:17:11 | <jasonswohl30> | fireonlive because i basically only have 2 friends |
| 02:17:16 | <fireonlive> | ah |
| 02:17:18 | <fireonlive> | i feel ya |
| 02:17:25 | <fireonlive> | they can still be your best :3 |
| 02:17:39 | <fireonlive> | it's like a 'level of commitment' i think |
| 02:19:16 | <nicolas17> | jasonswohl30: have you seen Ben Eater's youtube channel? |
| 02:20:01 | <jasonswohl30> | nicolas17 not in a fair bit BUT OMFG absolutely one of my inspirations into why i wanted to know more about EE things, or |
| 02:20:15 | <nicolas17> | the breadboard computer :D |
| 02:20:26 | <jasonswohl30> | "how the grid works" or, stuff about home elec, how elec works in a car, etc |
| 02:20:39 | <nicolas17> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyznrdDSSGM&list=PLowKtXNTBypGqImE405J2565dvjafglHU |
| 02:21:21 | <NoxiousPluK> | it's fun stuff yea. Can very much recommend bigclive on youtube. he takes apart all kinds of odd things and explains how they work, draws a schematic.. etc |
| 02:21:48 | <jasonswohl30> | opened in a new tab NoxiousPluK in need of taking a walk :( be back soon all |
| 02:21:58 | <NoxiousPluK> | have a good walk ^^ |
| 02:23:09 | <nicolas17> | he has another more recent video series making a computer with a 6502 microprocessor (rather than discrete components) |
| 02:23:48 | <nicolas17> | and in the last video he took a program designed for the Apple 1 and ran it there |
| 02:26:33 | <NoxiousPluK> | yea those are fun to see |
| 02:27:12 | <NoxiousPluK> | Usagi Electric also has a great DIY full TTL vacuum tube based computer build |
| 02:27:27 | <NoxiousPluK> | https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnw98JPyObn0v-98gRV9PfzAQONTKxql3 |
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| 02:41:05 | <jasonswohl30> | walk, successful but time to have phood/sleep |
| 02:41:20 | <jasonswohl30> | excellent convo's everyone, gnite! |
| 02:41:37 | <NoxiousPluK> | sleep well! |
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| 03:40:13 | <g0tmk> | what do you guys use for your home network? i'm a remote worker and have a bunch of ubuquiti APs |
| 03:40:29 | <g0tmk> | and that statement about an outlet reboot timer hit a little close to home...lol |
| 03:41:06 | <nicolas17> | g0tmk: my ISP's modemrouter; I'm lazy >.> |
| 03:41:58 | <nicolas17> | but I *also* have a netgear router in AP mode downstairs, don't remember the model number |
| 03:44:30 | <g0tmk> | maybe a bunch of seperately-managed APs is the way to go, as much as I hate to admit it |
| 03:44:47 | <g0tmk> | central control is nice but they've nerfed the unifi controller a lot in the last few years |
| 03:45:01 | <nicolas17> | I tried giving the same SSID |
| 03:45:18 | <nicolas17> | but it seems if you don't have smart APs that know how to coordinate with each other, that doesn't really work |
| 03:45:40 | <nicolas17> | clients wait until the signal is *really* bad before switching to the other AP |
| 03:46:01 | <nicolas17> | so it's better to have different SSIDs so at least it's possible to switch manually |
| 03:48:49 | <g0tmk> | yeah I seem to have the same problem with unifi tbh |
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| 03:49:08 | <nicolas17> | I thought if all APs were the same brand, they knew how to deal with that |
| 03:49:32 | <nicolas17> | (because they use proprietary protocols to coordinate) |
| 03:49:57 | <g0tmk> | if I sit in the kitchen and my connection is shit, then I know its because i'm connected to the AP across the house, instead of the one 15ft away |
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| 03:54:42 | <fireonlive> | a lot of clients are reallllllllllllly bad with roaming |
| 03:55:01 | <fireonlive> | they'd rather stay connected with a weak signal than hop off to a new AP |
| 03:55:36 | <fireonlive> | before they deleted their account an eero engineer used to bitch about that a lot on the eero subreddit |
| 03:56:10 | <fireonlive> | you can try to kick them off at low rssi but then you risk the wifi stack blocklisting the specific AP for a while (IIRC) |
| 03:56:35 | <fireonlive> | idk hopefully ios.next improves that a bit |
| 03:57:14 | <fireonlive> | one thing you can do is ensure your transmit power isn't too high on each AP; to encourage more roaming |
| 03:57:31 | <fireonlive> | if you have every AP throughout your house screaming at max strength it's not super useful |
| 03:58:05 | <fireonlive> | tuning wifi is a hole can of worms and it fucking sucks :D because it all just fucking sucks :D |
| 03:58:22 | <fireonlive> | whole* |
| 03:59:17 | <fireonlive> | (your AP can 'scream so loud it can be heard 10 doors over' but if your AP 'can't hear your device back' then there's no point) |
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| 04:00:53 | <nicolas17> | is that configurable in consumer APs? |
| 04:01:19 | <fireonlive> | some of them do expose transmit power |
| 04:01:43 | <fireonlive> | (aka 'tx') |
| 04:01:59 | <nicolas17> | I think in condos and such there should be a network expert who goes and tunes everyone's AP, to avoid the tragedy of the commons of everyone solving their Wi-Fi problems by screaming so loud it can be heard 10 doors over... and then everyone gets worse service because they hear all their neighbors |
| 04:02:00 | <fireonlive> | i've seen it at least on a few models |
| 04:02:09 | <fireonlive> | that would be nice! |
| 04:02:26 | <fireonlive> | what i'd like is condos/apartments have like.. faraday cages lol |
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| 04:02:35 | <fireonlive> | imagine ~clean air space~ ✨ |
| 04:02:51 | <fireonlive> | but that'd be even more complex |
| 04:03:03 | <nicolas17> | yeah and then your cellphone doesn't work either :P |
| 04:03:04 | <fireonlive> | and well, fraught with issues.. but a fire can dream |
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| 04:03:12 | <fireonlive> | :3 true |
| 04:04:57 | <fireonlive> | also your router with 2.4GHz may choose 'overlapping channels'. you may want to scan during 'busy season' and manually choose 1 6 or 11 yourself |
| 04:05:03 | <fireonlive> | but you know, can only do so much |
| 04:05:33 | <fireonlive> | i think they avoided that nonsense with 5? |
| 04:05:41 | <nicolas17> | I don't think they avoided it |
| 04:05:48 | <nicolas17> | it's just 5GHz has a lot more channels |
| 04:08:54 | <fireonlive> | looks like in 5GHz no 20MHz channels overlap; but you know if you scale up from 20MHz to 40/80/?? you'll 'step' on those below you |
| 04:09:00 | <fireonlive> | 2.4 is kinda a different story https://www.metageek.com/inc/images/landingpages/1611/2.4GHz-channels-metageek.png |
| 04:09:48 | <fireonlive> | (graph via https://www.metageek.com/training/resources/why-channels-1-6-11/) |
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| 05:25:21 | <g0tmk> | fireonlive: that makes a lot of sense. Ive messed with channel config already, but my APs are probably all screaming at max power lol |
| 05:25:50 | <g0tmk> | idk if that will fix my dropout issues, but if its because I am connected to the wrong AP then it might |
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| 05:49:22 | <fireonlive> | good luck! |
| 05:49:40 | <fireonlive> | wifi is hell because it's a mix of both bad software and the physical world! |
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| 13:20:58 | <myself> | the "lot of transmit power, no receive sensitivity" is known as an "alligator" in ham circles. (All mouth, no ears.) |
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| 16:57:26 | <fireonlive> | https://dtinth.github.io/comic-mono-font/ |
| 16:57:28 | <fireonlive> | enjoy! |
| 16:58:08 | <fireonlive> | myself: ah! i wasn't aware; that's a good saying ^_^ |
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| 18:06:01 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: Huh, that's actually not bad. |
| 18:07:05 | <@JAA> | Ah, ASCII only. :-( |
| 18:29:27 | <fireonlive> | ah darn :( |
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| 18:30:09 | <fireonlive> | there's also Berkeley mono, but it's a very different feel: https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono/ |
| 18:30:41 | <fireonlive> | i'm not sure as to it's coverage though |
| 18:30:58 | <fireonlive> | oh. it's not free. never mind :| |
| 18:31:03 | <fireonlive> | twitter was blowing up about it |
| 18:32:11 | <fireonlive> | and it was on my 'to have a look later list' but yikes |
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| 19:53:36 | <BigBrain> | what about rl nfts? limited edition stickers |
| 19:54:00 | <nicolas17> | I remember reading about concert tickets as NFTs or something |
| 19:54:02 | <nicolas17> | and it was like |
| 19:54:23 | <nicolas17> | that's the first case where it actually makes sense (except for all the *other* problems blockchains have) |
| 19:54:37 | <nicolas17> | a concert ticket *is* a non-fungible token |
| 19:54:51 | <BigBrain> | warrior logo in red, green, blue, rainbow, maybe holographic |
| 19:55:21 | <nicolas17> | and in contrast to bored apes, you can exchange that token for something real (entrance to the concert) |
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| 20:33:36 | <fireonlive> | speaking of data centres on fire the OVH SBG2 the french gov report is neat: https://www.igedd.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/rapport_ovh_67_vdif_cle01cf13.pdf (or machine translated: https://regmedia.co.uk/2022/06/10/ovh_report.pdf) |
| 20:33:42 | <fireonlive> | and all the other reporting around that |
| 20:34:47 | <fireonlive> | there's also one from the fire service in an image gallery on this site; https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ovhcloud-fire-report-sbg2-data-center-had-wooden-ceilings-no-extinguisher-and-no-power-cut-out/ but I can't find the original PDF at the moment |
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| 20:36:04 | <fireonlive> | if you have/find it randomly let me know :) |
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| 20:47:01 | <@JAA> | fireonlive: https://web.archive.org/web/20220227211250/http://pnrs.ensosp.fr/content/download/47558/777119/file/PEX_Incendie%20du%20data-center%20OVH_SDIS%2067.pdf |
| 20:47:32 | <fireonlive> | https://retrododo.com/mcdonalds-grimaces-birthday/ |
| 20:48:17 | <fireonlive> | oh, awesome!! thank you so much JAA! I remember reading that a couple years ago and wanting to go back to it later but yeah |
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| 23:22:43 | <fireonlive> | i was googling something about a node that was once free; and a suggested search on the SERP was "Does IRC still exist?" oof |
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