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05:31:56<atphoenix>Doranwen, interesting story about commas. Here is another way to have some filesystem fun: use Linux to mount an NTFS filesystem. Then you can create filenames, folders, and really deep trees, that are technically okay for NTFS (or at least according to the Linux NTFS parser), but that Windows Explorer cannot handle and will choke on. The easiest fix is to mount it again on Linux, rename the relevant files, and if it was tree depth
05:31:56<atphoenix>issue, lessen the depth. The Windows CHKDSK may detect files and folders with these anomalies, and offer to 'repair' them (by renaming them to something 'helpful' like FILE0001.CHK or similar), but it is cleaner to go back to Linux to make edits.
05:32:32<Doranwen>atphoenix: In this case, the files were on Linux in the first place, but I can see how that would happen.
05:33:06<Doranwen>They were reasonably long file names as they were, and tripling the length of the name must've hit some limit or something…
05:33:16<Doranwen>*It was a reasonably long file name as it was
05:34:08<Doranwen>Renaming to remove the commas and resend over worked just fine, which I should've done in the first place, lol. I was just used to "eh, fix it afterwards" (because I can just remove the beginning and end of the filename and the rest is intact) and didn't think about how *two* commas in that name might be pushing it, lol.
05:39:13<atphoenix>The most common way I have run into said filesystem anomalies is by saving webpages on Linux, where the page title has a : (colon) in it. Windows Explorer doesn't allow that, but NTFS does. So I had copied the saved page to an NTFS partition, and when back in Windows...Explorer was not able to work with the file.
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05:42:18<atphoenix>you may have hit the 255 characters name length limit
05:58:08<pabs>https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/11/04/apple-kills-long-time-event-archive-on-youtube/
05:58:36<pabs>https://nitter.net/realmrpippy/status/1588599228510502912
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13:00:14<@JAA>IIRC, you can also create capitalisation collisions on NTFS from Linux. That's not a FS limitation, just a Windows API limitation. It gets fun when you access it from Windows again.
13:01:09<@JAA>Just like you can create COM, AUX, etc. on Linux but not through the Windows API.
13:02:16<@JAA>These limitations date back to the DOS days, I think? It's ridiculous that they're still in place four decades later...
13:02:47<@JAA>(Also, CON, not COM, or alternatively COM1.)
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15:42:16<atphoenix>CON (console) and AUX definitely date back to DOS days. Back on MS-DOS 3.3, one way to create simple, short, text files (there was no built-in friendly editor [EDLIN wasn't friendly]) was to issue this command: "COPY CON NOTES.TXT". That's let you type one line on the console, hit enter, and it'd be added to the file. No editing capability after hitting enter, but it served basic needs for short text and batch file creation.
15:42:52<atphoenix>s/That's/That'd
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16:25:31<Barto>JAA: even pre-dos limitation. CP/M i'd say
16:27:54<Barto>https://twitter.com/foone/status/1058676834940776450 foone got it covered
16:28:24<@JAA>:-)
16:28:45<@JAA>Can always rely on a good rant from foone.
16:28:55<Barto>trusty source :-)
16:33:20<@JAA>Didn't know about C:\con\con, hah, fun!
16:34:27<Barto>clearly something i'll attempt next time i see win95
16:34:31<Barto>but that doesn't happen often
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16:45:09<atphoenix>Barto, I wonder if you can try it on this: https://www.ghacks.net/2022/10/24/run-windows-95-as-a-javascript-app-on-your-computer-and-play-a-bit-of-doom-while-you-are-at-it/
16:46:36<atphoenix>https://github.com/felixrieseberg/windows95
16:47:04<Barto>https://archive.org/details/win95_in_dosbox
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16:56:37<Barto>aaand, it worked
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