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02:45:16<systwi>*whine
02:45:45<@JAA>Maybe you should try some wine to deal with it.
02:46:56<systwi>:)
02:49:08<systwi>I was thinking on buying an HP monitor this time around instead, but I'm not sure if I should put my trust in them either. I've heard many say HP stands for "Horrible Product," and in a lot of (modern-day) cases I'd have to agree.
02:49:29<systwi>A friend of mine told me Acer monitors are good, but anything with "Acer" on it I automatically hate.
02:49:38<systwi>I
02:49:56<systwi>have had bad experiences with their craptops.
02:50:38<ivan>gaming monitors now often have fans on the back
02:50:56<ivan>the expensive LG one I tried was too bright at 0% also
02:51:18<ivan>also I think I hate anything < 187 ppi
02:51:51<@JAA>That brings back some long-buried memories. An Acer laptop of mine once started burning.
02:51:56<systwi>Ah, I'm the opposite way. I want to be able to see my pixels or I lose it.
02:52:26<systwi>.........burning? Flames, heat, fire?
02:52:26<@JAA>Or well, smoking, thankfully disconnected it and removed the battery quickly enough before it got worse.
02:52:37<systwi>Ahhh, so almost.
02:52:58<systwi><:(
02:53:32<ivan>what's good about seeing pixels?
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02:55:23<systwi>I don't want to have to upscale my UI and everything. Screenshots are unnecessarily larger, it's more difficult to see an image at its normal resolution, small images (e.g. Game Boy screenshots (160x144)) often look blurry, or at native resolution would just look too small, etc.
02:56:28<ivan>it is true that my 96 dpi laptop screen is better for looking at some images unscaled
02:56:29<systwi>It's fine if I'm watching a movie or looking at high-resolution images, or browsing a filesystem/using a terminal. Nothing more.
02:56:33<Doranwen>yeah, I've never tried Acer anything but monitors - but I do like those
02:57:33<ivan>screenshots being unnecessarily larger is probably a benefit for everyone else who prefers hidpi, and they can also be pngquanted down to 256 colors without much apparent quality loss usually
02:59:16<systwi>The issue, though, is not necessarily on file size (although that does play a factor) but primarily the resolution itself - it can come out obnoxiously HUGE on non-scaled displays. I think a lot of people submitting screenshots don't realize that it's happening.
02:59:17<ivan>there's actually a way to show images on the web with 1:1 or 2:1 pixel doubling regardless of the user's dpi
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03:00:02<ivan>I wish dpi were embedded into screenshots so they would be rendered at the proper size, yeah
03:01:03<systwi>On a similar note, I wish I could come across a monitor that would _not_ interpolate pixels when upscaling lower-resolution signals - or just wouldn't upscale at all.
03:02:03<systwi>Haven't come across one yet, maybe there's a custom Raspberry Pi-powered monitor firmware project out there.
03:03:34<@JAA>I'm pretty sure EXIF supports storing the pixel density.
03:03:49<@JAA>Whether display software uses it is another question.
03:03:59<ivan>NVIDIA has this on the 2000 series and above https://www.pcworld.com/article/560350/how-to-enable-geforce-integer-scaling-and-make-retro-games-look-great.html
03:04:22<ivan>1080 Ti is obviously not powerful enough to integer-scale
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03:06:00<systwi>Nice, I'm glad there's something out there, just starting it seems. Next step is to get a newer graphics card, hahahahahahaha.
03:06:11<systwi>Need to wait a few more years for that.
03:06:37<systwi>I've got a 1070 Ti, so yeah, definitely out, unfortunately.
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03:44:32<@JAA>THE WEB IS GREAT!
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09:06:34thuban high-fives systwi
09:06:52<thuban>pixel buddies! for all i knew i was the only one who felt that way
09:10:47<thuban>besides the other issues you mention, hi-def monitors have always looked blurry to me. not just when upscaling images, in general. in theory there's no reason why smaller pixels shouldn't alias just as sharply as larger ones, but in practice...
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11:27:32<systwi>thuban: Yes! :D
11:27:56<systwi>And yeah, I also agree about the aliasing. I don't know why it's never been a simple toggle in the OSD.
11:30:30<systwi>How would a 4:3 image (720x200 DOS prompt, for example) ever look good stretched out to 16:9 (2560x1440 monitor, for example)?
11:32:35<systwi>And with interpolation? Fine for viewing photographs, I guess, but nothing else.
11:32:47<systwi>But again, stretched?
11:34:31<systwi>Err, s/interpolation/aliasing/, or whatever. They're synonyms in this context, I would say.
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12:07:33<thuban>i think not, but i could have phrased it better; what i mean is that i find text and interface elements rendered on lower-resolution screens without anti-alias techniques (as in e.g. bitmap fonts), or with anti-alias techniques that make deliberate use of the pixel boundaries (subpixel rendering, quality font hinting optimized for screens), sharper and more pleasant to look
12:07:35<thuban>at than what i generally see on hidpi.
12:11:03<thuban>in theory, a two-pixel-wide black line on a white background should look just like a one-pixel-wide black line on a white background at half the resolution, but in fact it doesn't. "retina" text rendering in particular has always looked terrible to me.
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