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| 01:44:26 | <pabs> | is there anything to do when someone without a website dies? for eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vangelis https://pitchfork.com/news/vangelis-oscar-winning-composer-dies-at-79/ |
| 01:44:49 | <@JAA> | He has a website, and it just finished running through AB. But also, this is on-topic. |
| 01:45:38 | <@JAA> | Or maybe not, someone told me it was official, but apparently it isn't. Anyway... |
| 01:45:41 | <pabs> | ah, I didn't see one on the wikipedia page |
| 01:46:46 | <pabs> | I'm interested in the more general question too, often see headlines about random people dying with WP pages but not websites |
| 01:46:58 | <pabs> | I guess WP outlinks are already well-archived though |
| 01:50:26 | <systwi> | JAA: If I understand it correctly, pyenv also =/= venv or virtualenv, but they are all virtual environments. |
| 01:50:42 | <systwi> | The latter two pertain to PIP packages. |
| 01:50:53 | <@JAA> | systwi: No, pyenv is a different thing entirely. It manages separate installations of Python. |
| 01:50:54 | <systwi> | The former relates to Python versions. |
| 01:51:40 | <systwi> | pyenv - different Python versions |
| 01:51:57 | <systwi> | venv - less versatile way of having different package versions installed |
| 01:52:09 | <systwi> | virtualenv - a better extension of that ^ |
| 01:52:17 | <@JAA> | More or less, yeah. |
| 01:52:18 | | systwi crosses fingers |
| 01:52:29 | <systwi> | Okay. |
| 01:52:33 | <@JAA> | Combining pyenv with either venv or virtualenv is a very useful thing to do. I suppose you *could* do that directly manually, but really you want the pyenv-virtualenv plugin because it's much more convenient. |
| 01:52:35 | <systwi> | ~ L E A R N I N G ~ |
| 01:53:23 | <systwi> | Doesn't grab-site do this? I think. |
| 01:53:30 | <@JAA> | Also, pyenv supports more than just CPython. You can also install PyPy and other stuff with it. |
| 01:54:09 | <@JAA> | The grab-site install instructions mention pyenv and venv, yeah. |
| 01:54:45 | <@JAA> | Obviously not mandatory, and I don't use it in that case. |
| 01:55:58 | <systwi> | I see. |
| 01:56:15 | <systwi> | I don't have any proper knowledge on Python aside from trial and error (self-taught), and then I eventually revert back to shell scripts for one reason or another (also self-taught). |
| 01:56:54 | <systwi> | I've bought books but I always feel like I _need_ to use _that specific Python version_ otherwise things will break, or I'll miss something important. |
| 01:57:34 | <@JAA> | Most maintained packages should be compatible with all currently supported versions of Python. At the moment, that'd be 3.7 to 3.10. |
| 01:57:50 | <ivan> | perhaps the people in charge of Python are employed to keep fixing their employer's Python code as they introduce backwards-incompatible changes |
| 01:59:11 | <@JAA> | I've had more problems with packages making backwards-incompatible changes than Python. |
| 02:00:10 | <@JAA> | And like half of the issues I had with Python were things that had been deprecated for many years. |
| 02:00:34 | <@JAA> | Nobody runs their shit with the options to see deprecation warnings though, so it still ends up surprising you. |
| 02:25:33 | <TheTechRobo> | JAA: how do you view deprecation warnings? |
| 02:26:49 | <@JAA> | TheTechRobo: `-W default` or `-X dev` (which includes the former among other things) are the major ones. You can also use `-W error` to change warnings into exceptions. |
| 02:26:55 | <@JAA> | Also available as the PYTHONWARNINGS env var. |
| 02:27:00 | <@JAA> | Cf. https://peps.python.org/pep-0565/ |
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| 04:20:41 | <systwi> | Just found out about this, if you use Firefox (or a fork) and it doesn't have the title bar (and you want it back like me), right-click in the toolbar somewhere, click "Customize Toolbar" and at the bottom, check the "Show title bar" box. |
| 04:24:25 | <systwi> | Took me all this time to figure it out. |
| 04:28:39 | | Doranwen grins |
| 04:29:23 | <Doranwen> | I do that every time I use a new setup of one of those - drives me nuts not having one |
| 04:44:25 | <systwi> | Right? Having to grab a tiny corner of the window to move it around, all for a (supposedly) nicer, cleaner look. Not a fan. |
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| 07:14:25 | <spirit> | if you are on linux, configure your wm to support holding Alt and leftdrag/rightdrag to move/resize windows |
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| 15:53:12 | <systwi> | I do have that configured already on my Linux box but I can never remember to use it. :-S |
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| 18:04:30 | <TheTechRobo> | I just realised I've been using shell=True on a production website. With user-inputted data. lol |
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| 20:13:19 | <@OrIdow6^2> | No title bar? |
| 20:15:06 | <@OrIdow6^2> | KDE has so many built-in shortcuts that I never use |
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