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11:39:27<nirv>I don't understand. I have 100% of the torrent. why isn't it extracting? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/957242282480898069/unknown.png
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13:46:41<nirv>nope. there are SO many fucked geocities files
13:47:15<nirv>all of geocities-E-n.7z.001 to geocities-E-n.7z.053 all fucked
13:49:51<nirv>nm maybe not
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14:06:23<spirit>001 sounds like a partial file
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16:12:44<nirv>terminate called after throwing an instance of 'char const*' find: ‘7z’ terminated by signal 6
16:12:58<nirv>what the hell does that even mean? linux is really garbage. can't even extract an archive correctly
16:16:38<spirit>try gentoo
16:17:43<T31M>wasn't the whole geocities topic resolved weeks ago ? like extracting everyhing of the 7z parts + (un-)tar'ing the results ? Is it still broken ? I have the torrent still flying around on a server just not extracted it after it was confirmed here to be fie
16:17:49<T31M>fine
16:34:02<nirv>T31M, nope. I was able to finally download it and finish extracting it in linux, but I'm having all sorts of issues trying to make the virtual image available and ready to go for people
16:35:08<nirv>i tried to extract it to a 1TB fixed vdi windows 10 install and it stopped after like 400GB saying disk drive full. so I made a 1.5TB fixed vhd windows 10 and it actually finished BUT
16:35:21<nirv>as I was going through the "finished" files, I noticed it was missing many directories
16:35:47<nirv>so I tried to re-extract and that's when I noticed there was a bad file somehow. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/957242282480898069/unknown.png
16:36:59<nirv>I tried to do it alone and I can't. a full team was put together to archive this, and a full team will be needed to do what I'm trying to do it seems.
16:39:14<nirv>let me put it this way haha
16:40:29<nirv>if I were to make a youtube video to explain to someone potentially willing to help me out and get an understanding of what I'm trying to do and what I've experienced, it'd be like 10 straight minutes at least. it's a very niche goal. I expected it to be way easier than this but new, weird crap I've never seen before keeps popping up
16:47:36<nirv>thinking about it, I think I will make a video. I could at least use some suggestions even if I don't get direct help for what I'm trying to do.
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16:57:48<T31M>Yeah that file seems pretty broken. No strings, no "known" file header / no idea :/
16:58:29<nirv>oh you got the file? you found it?
16:58:37<nirv>so I'm not nuts. thank christ!
16:58:58<nirv>see it's this kind of crap that I didn't expect. I keep coming across all sorts of shit like this and I don't always know the best solution
16:59:11<nirv>BUT
16:59:36<nirv>luckily the file IS here and it seems to be the same file, but working. https://archive.org/download/2009-archiveteam-geocities-part2
17:00:33<nirv>oops I mean here https://archive.org/download/2009-archiveteam-geocities-part5/geocities-C-y.7z.001
17:00:49<nirv>I overwrote the old one and they were different sizes
17:01:54<nirv>now that I replaced geocities-C-y.7z.001 I'm trying a full re-extract because I'm not smart enough to know how to continue a 7z extraction in linux command lines
17:02:18<nirv>not only that, it doesn't seem to extract in any particular, understandable order, so I don't know where it stopped and where to start. so I just STARTED OVER
17:02:53<nirv>from the log file, here's the order it's extracting right now
17:03:09<nirv>Extracting archive: ./geocities-F-t.7z.001
17:03:10<nirv>Extracting archive: ./geocities-M-a.7z.001
17:03:21<nirv>Extracting archive: ./geocities-F-a.7z.001
17:03:35<nirv>yeah okay whatever you weird ass 7z/operating system
17:05:26<nirv>haha this is why I've said a few times now that this geocities collection is the furthest thing from accessible to the average person that I've ever encountered.
17:06:13<nirv>my whole goal is to make it so accessible that even a drooling tard can download it and go through the material. that's my goal. I didn't realize I'd need a team of PhDs to do it though
17:10:04<spirit>if you do, please make sure to put it somewhere findable
17:13:29<T31M>Yeah the file geocities-C-y.7z.001 is just 7mb of 0x00 bytes. "NUL" https://i.imgur.com/ICMNpuw.png
17:15:40<nirv>spirit, I will. archive.org. Same place I put all my encarta iso rips. https://archive.org/details/@encartaarchiver
17:16:04<nirv>T31M, good. I gave the replacement though so that's presumably done.
17:16:31<nirv>however, I don't fully trust the archive.org geocities files. Why? because as someone pointed out, there's essentially two releases of geocities: the first one and then the "patched" one
17:16:52<nirv>I don't know which files were changed or added in the patched. and I'm not sure I care. yet.
17:17:09<nirv>I shouldn't have had to even go anywhere else besides the patched torrent, but here we are.
17:18:18<nirv>T31M, btw is that windows in that screenshot?
17:18:28<spirit>archive.org is a morass of files, best put your info on the wiki or in a blog or something similar
17:18:36<spirit>else the next person will just go the same way as you
17:18:41<spirit>i am sure you aren't the first
17:18:48<nirv>no but dude this is different
17:19:15<nirv>I'm extracting all the files and doing all the work so someone can just download ONE .vhd file and import it into Virtualbox and just open it.
17:19:25<nirv>complete with the OS and the tools they need to go through the data
17:19:30<nirv>literally one button solution
17:19:53<nirv>I'm already partially there
17:20:18<nirv>I was really close to being done yesterday until I noticed many missing directories. so I knew the extraction didn't go perfectly
17:21:54<nirv>one virtual machine disk. I was even going to make a video tutorial showing people how to import it into virtualbox and how I advise going through the data. lowest common denominator stuff
17:25:44<nirv>spirit, i made a video of me going through some of the geocities data recently. it's how I go through it and how I'm going to recommend people go through it. I feel it's efficient and fun. https://youtu.be/pFhLYaqGeMA?t=1943
17:26:05<spirit>nice
17:26:36<nirv>there is a lot of mouse scrolling because many of the images were such tiny resolution back then. so I have to take that into consideration
17:31:18<nirv>haha a lot of those buttons people made on geocities back in the day were hilarious
17:31:31<nirv>I found one that said, "International Guild of Gay Webmasters"
17:31:45<nirv>it wasn't a joke. some people actually put a big button that said that on their sites
17:32:21<nirv>that's why I really want to make it accessible. it has some awesome and hilarious stuff in it. very interesting
17:33:12<nirv>this is my favorite thing I found in the geocities collection so far. pixel art of a tomcat vf-84 jolly roger edition. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897901358999548004/944709616003067914/tomcat.gif
17:33:18<nirv>look at that amazing detail dude. zoom in on it
17:48:58<Jake>and you're going to upload a 1+TB vhd to IA with data that's already on IA? 🤔
17:50:46<nirv>look dude
17:51:07<nirv>the archive is not accessible by most people. period
17:51:52<nirv>I know it's redundant, but it should not take freaking weeks to download, extract, and go through an archive. but it does right now. it's inaccessible to most people
17:52:23<nirv>if you think it's accessible and everything's fine, boy would I love to speak to you in voice.
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17:53:53<nirv>see?
17:54:04<nirv>now I'm getting permission denied for something I was able to do just fine yesterday
17:54:04<nirv>geocities/ar.geocities.com/bahamondeguillermo/images/familyccj/a279.jpg tar: geocities: Cannot mkdir: Permission denied
17:54:14<nirv>hi. work. work you cock sucking piece of shit archive.
17:56:27<nirv>ok got it. ugh
17:56:34<@JAA>You won't be able to upload a >1 TiB file to IA, by the way.
17:56:48<nirv>so I'll have to pack it in multiple rars?
17:57:43<nirv>that will cut some people out of being able to go through the data but extracting multiple rars isn't tough to do.
18:01:59<@JAA>Something like that, yes. Possibly split it into multiple items as well unless the compression brings it below 1 TiB again.
18:02:08<nirv>will do
18:04:00<nirv>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/957339012480258128/unknown.png
18:05:48<@JAA>Regarding geocities-C-y.7z.001, the file in the patches is not NUL bytes.
18:06:17<nirv>in the torrent? well it was for me, even after I "verified local data" it was still trucked, and for T31M
18:06:27<@JAA>https://web.archive.org/web/20110526052929/http://archiveteam.org/archives/geocitiespatch/geocities-C-y.7z.001
18:06:37<@JAA>Haven't touched the torrent.
18:06:41<nirv>yeah that one is fine, but the one in the patched torrent is ruined
18:07:39<nirv>I replaced it and am now again trying to re-extract the files. if this actually finishes, I'm done. but I suspect it won't
18:08:35<nirv>I really hope I don't need to somehow verify both the 7z files AND the extracted tar files
18:08:52<@JAA>The one in https://archive.org/download/2009-archiveteam-geocities-part5 also seems fine...
18:10:38<nirv>this is what I'm doing right now and if it doesn't finish or there's yet another error, I guess the last option is to somehow verify the CRC of the original 7z torrent files I downloaded. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872443255281844236/957340682085888063/unknown.png
18:11:13<nirv>I wouldn't even know how to start CRC checking that 641GB patched filelist though.
18:11:37<nirv>because obviously my torrent client LIED through its teeth and told me the files were good. stinkin' lyin' no good transmission
18:12:11<Jake>(and to answer your question, I would argue that a 1.5TB vhd is less accessible than the current torrents and archive.org items.)
18:12:19<nirv>oh you would, would you?
18:12:19<nirv>okay
18:12:27<nirv>Discord: Painbow#9553. call, don't write. hooooo boy!
18:12:37<@JAA>Fuck Discord.
18:12:46<nirv>as if this guy has jitsi installed
18:12:54<nirv>he probably has NO voip client installed of any kind
18:12:58<nirv>which is why he's talking crap
18:14:32<nirv>Jake, dude even if you download a 50GB rar archive right now of any PC game on the market, extracting it can be done by right clicking and extracting with winrar. You can't do that with the geocities archive for many reasons. It's NOT accessible to average people dude.
18:14:49<@JAA>I agree that such a huge file is less accessible as well. IA's download speeds aren't known for being great unless you're very close to them network-wise (like, in the Bay Area). Have fun downloading that VHD for about 2 months (at 300 kB/s, which is a common speed I've seen on IA downloads).
18:15:35<nirv>I didn't WANT it to be 1.5TB but guess what? WEIRD ass issues with linux and mounting that didn't like my 1TB vdi file
18:15:41<@JAA>And no, I don't think the current dataset is accessible. I'm just saying that a giant 1.5 TB file wouldn't be better.
18:15:42<nirv>it RAN OUT OF SPACE AT 400GB
18:16:11<nirv>It would be a 1TB file if virtualbox/fixed vdi files worked as they're supposed to work
18:16:14<nirv>but that's a whole different story
18:16:38<Jake>I agree with JAA here ^. Obviously the current version has problems, but a bigger VHD, in my opinion, is even less accessible.
18:17:03<nirv>extracted, the entire geocities archive is something like 900GB~ give or take, so you would think a 1TB virtual disk image would be enough, right?
18:17:06<nirv>FOR SOME REASON IT FUCKING WASN'T
18:17:14<nirv>I'm telling you. this has been HELL.
18:17:24<nirv>all sorts of WEIRD, INEXPLICIABLE SWILL has slapped me in the face over and over
18:17:49<nirv>Jake, you say that in text but you wouldn't say that in voice
18:17:58<nirv>So stop being a disingenuous contrarian and giving me lip in text
18:18:22<Jake>I have no idea why you want to get me into a voice channel. I think this medium is perfectly fine.
18:18:29<nirv>no it fucking isn't, dude
18:18:35<@JAA>lol
18:18:44<nirv>because you don't know what HELL learning linux is
18:18:53<Jake>The current archive is not very accessible, yes, but an even bigger vhd that requires more space, more to download? less accessible in my eyes.
18:19:12<nirv>Jake, okay if you're so smart, what would the average person type in Linux Terminal to extract the 641GB geocities archive?
18:19:41<nirv>I'm waiting
18:20:06knecht420 extracts his popcorn.
18:20:09<@JAA>2022-03-05 12:53:30 UTC <@r.ewby> My choice of software is: Debian 11, p7zip-full, find . -type f -iname "*.7z.001" -exec 7z x -o/geocities/ {} \;
18:20:16<nirv>don't give him the answer
18:20:37<nirv>see why I hate text?
18:20:42<nirv>in voice, he'd be STUMBLING AND MUMBLING right now
18:20:47<nirv>and I'd say AH HAAAAAA! GOTCHA
18:21:18<nirv>three points, score it. we'll take a time out for Microsoft Encarta. Yes, Microsoft Encarta. Enjoy PhD-level knowledge in the comfort of your living room. New, from Microsoft!
18:22:44<@JAA>I have to say, this is pretty entertaining.
18:23:08<Jake>sorry. I was in another tab. I know how to extract .7z files on linux, personally not very hard, and it seems like you were very new to Linux, so it's understandable that you would have difficulties doing so, especially with the inconsistent nature of the current archive. As I argued earlier, I don't think turning the older archive into one big
18:23:08<Jake>monolithic virtual disk image is any easier for the "average" person to access.
18:23:30<nirv>Jake, you just said it. YOU know how to extract 7z files in linux, but does the average mouth breather like me?
18:23:43<nirv>Not only that, it extract to TAR files. What the fuck is a tar file? no average windows user deals with that shit
18:23:51<Jake>does the average person know how to use a .vhd? run a virtual machine?
18:23:58<@JAA>The average random person can access one of the several hosted mirrors.
18:24:27<nirv>yes, actually. there are people who can't even say the word "OTHER" on youtube without saying UDDER that make tutorials on how to mount or load up virtual machine disks
18:24:46<nirv>I intended to make one myself just for this collection
18:24:50<nirv>It'd be less than 2 minutes
18:25:28<nirv>I originally downloaded the 641GB geocities archive in Windows, Jake, but guess what? you're already fucked
18:25:36<nirv>because the files in that set are CASE SENSITIVE
18:25:58<@JAA>Yes, because every OS in the world except Windows is.
18:26:01<nirv>which are totally FUCKED UP on 99.9% of windows machines that don't have case sensitive foldeds even ACTIVATED
18:26:24<Jake>I agreed with you! The current archive in it's 7zip format is not very accessible!
18:26:32<@JAA>^
18:26:43<@JAA>I don't think anyone is arguing the opposite.
18:26:51<@JAA>Not now nor in any prior discussion.
18:27:22<nirv>I don't want my virtual machine disk image to be 1.5TB. I'd prefer it to be EXACTLY what it needs to be which is just under 1TB. However, I've come across different issues with virtualbox that I already brought up to them about
18:27:52<nirv>but if I can just get the extracting done perfectly, I can work on reducing the file size of the virtual disk file size required.
18:30:05<nirv>so 1TB sounds like a lot to download. however, extracting the 641GB 7z files brings 1500 tar files @ about 896GB. Then extracting those tar files is another 950~ GB of actual, readable geocities files (gif, jpg, html, mid etc)
18:30:39<nirv>the 950GB of geocities files is insanely huge in number. I think when I extracted about 400GB it was sitting at 7,000,000 files
18:31:11<Jake>sure! I agree!
18:31:31<asie>can i just say that (a) VDIs will not always compress the way you think they will, because of how filesystems operate, (b) when i worked with the archive i extracted the 7zs one by one, deleting the intermediary step, to minimize drive usage, (c) i'm glad the archives exist at all in whatever format given that in 2009 barely anyone cared about this stuff
18:31:46<nirv>why do you think people love their cell phones over computers? they love their 1 button access. that's fine. that's all I'm trying to do is make this collection tard friendly.
18:31:57<asie>if you call users tards i swear to god i won't even try to engage
18:32:18<asie>have some respect towards fellow human beings who didn't spend years studying the art of the computer
18:32:20<nirv>I'm calling myself a tard. I barely know what I'm doing
18:32:23<asie>ah
18:32:25<Jake>Requiring a 1TB vhd is not user friendly in any way. and asie is right here.
18:32:31<nirv>and I've been on computers since 1995!
18:32:52<nirv>I've got VHS video of me working on my geocities site from 1997. I've always cared about geocities. I'm glad it was archived
18:32:59<asie>that's really cool actually
18:33:18<asie>i love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWq4DWfrpu8 and i loved that video of someone working on a website from their sega saturn
18:33:23<asie>which i dug out once
18:33:27<nirv>that's me
18:33:31<asie>... oh, i see
18:33:33<nirv>oh wait
18:33:38<nirv>I was the sega saturn guy
18:33:41<asie>yeah
18:33:43<asie>i see now
18:35:00<nirv>Jake, anyone can walk into a best buy store right now and walk out with an 18TB USB 3.0 hard drive. come home, plug it in, download my ONE 1TB .vhd file and be importing it into virtualbox
18:35:04<nirv>all in windows
18:35:34<nirv>if they do it themselves, they have to learn linux, learn torrent clients in linux, figure out all sorts of stupid bullcrap they wouldn't normally deal withy
18:35:42<nirv>it's been like a month now and I'm STILL NOT DONE.
18:35:57<nirv>you need to stop saying that 1 VHD file is less accessible
18:36:01<Jake>for the raw files.
18:36:02<nirv>or I WILL make a public youtube video right now
18:36:13<nirv>dude I'm of the tard. I know what people can handle
18:36:18<nirv>I've made tutorials about complex crap before
18:36:26<nirv>and I dumbed it down enough that even droolers could understand it
18:36:27<nirv>come ON
18:37:51<nirv>asie, oddly enough that's what I originally did. I extracted the 7zs one by one all in windows not knowing wtf was going on. I had never seen an archive extract into MORE archive files
18:38:08<Jake>I really don't know what to tell you here. I don't see anyway the 1TB vhd file is "more" accessible. I've agreed that the current 7zs aren't accessible, but huge monolithic vhd files? I'm somewhat curious, what is the need for the raw files over the hosted mirrors?
18:38:09<nirv>I did not know about the casesensitive file names and I didn't know at the time how to deal with that in windows
18:38:50<nirv>Jake, again, the geo archive files are CASE SENSITIVE which is why my torrent didn't even finish in windows in the first place. It was STUCK for like 4 days at 99%. it wouldn't finish
18:39:07<nirv>that's just the first problem you run into.
18:39:36<nirv>Jake, see had you got in voice chat, we'd be done already. I could have given you the story of the hell I've been through
18:39:46<nirv>but no. you're inconsiderate and want me to TYPE A BOOK HERE
18:40:12<@JAA>You've ignored every mention of the hosted mirrors.
18:40:20<nirv>I'm telling you as a computer/windows user since 1995 knowing full well that most people are not technically savvy, a simple one button solution is needed for this archive
18:40:21<@JAA>That's the accessible way for random people.
18:41:03<@JAA>Or well, more accessible than the raw data, anyway.
18:41:08<nirv>the hosted mirrors, yes, are fine for most people. but you know there is an intermediate group such as myself.
18:41:21<nirv>not every geocities site has a link to all the interested shit they had IN their geocities folder
18:41:37<nirv>for example, my geocities page, this one right here https://geocities.restorativland.org/SunsetStrip/Alley/6589/
18:41:44<nirv>doesn't show all the files you find in the ACTUAL directory
18:41:48<@JAA>That's just an indexing problem then.
18:42:12<nirv>no
18:42:18<@JAA>You want something like this (may be incomplete, haven't checked): https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://geocities.restorativland.org/SunsetStrip/Alley/6589/*
18:42:23<nirv>it just means you could have FUCKYOU.GIF and never used it in any HTML you wrote
18:42:49<nirv>or maybe it WAS in the html but wasn't linked correctly
18:43:12<nirv>a lot of people manually wrote their own HTML back then. not everyone used web page design tools
18:43:30<@JAA>Oh I know, I was one of those people.
18:43:59<@JAA>A 90s era website wasn't complete without at least one broken image src.
18:44:29<nirv>also, for me, I basically just want to go through the photos and maybe some of the pdfs. I'm personally not really interested in looking at the website layouts and designs on these html pages
18:45:04<nirv>sifting quickly through the media is what I mostly want to do. and I already have as in the video I linked earlier. it was fun. I was cackling like a hyena at the stuff I found
18:45:22<nirv>people were so genuine and sincere. no robots
18:45:23<@JAA>Still sounds like an indexing problem to me.
18:45:59<@JAA>Build a giant directory tree, put that on a web page with links to the files themselves, done.
18:46:18<@JAA>Would be best incorporated into one of the hosted mirrors, obviously.
18:46:45<@JAA>But if they can't or don't want to do that, it can also be hosted elsewhere.
18:46:49<nirv>well, people can do whatever they want. I just really feel the geocities files shouldn't be packed deep behind TWO GARGANTUAN FORTRESSES OF 7Z and TAR FILES.
18:46:56<nirv>case sensitive files that is
18:47:21<nirv>if the files are as accessible as I'm talking about, I think people can more easily do interesting things with the data
18:48:08<nirv>once they get that ONE vhd file, they can go wild. they don't even NEED linux. I already have a fully working windows 10 for them with a casesensitive folder ready
18:48:14<@JAA>The advantage of such an index approach is that people at most need to download the index. Which is obviously tiny in comparison to a giant virtual disk file that has all data.
18:48:43<nirv>well, I'm not a very smart guy, so I have no idea what this indexing crap you're speaking means
18:48:55<nirv>my brain works in local files on hard drive. no cloud crap.
18:49:00<nirv>or maybe I'm misunderstanding
18:49:18<@JAA>Just a directory listing, something like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20120312062040/http://www.archiveteam.org/archives/geocitiespatch/
18:49:26<nirv>that's slow
18:49:29<michaelblob>every time i hop in -ot it feels like a clusterfuck lmao
18:49:36<nirv>I'd have carpal tunnel syndrome in three hours
18:49:54<@JAA>It doesn't have to look exactly like that. I'm just using it as an illustration.
18:49:54<nirv>pressing RIGHT ARROW on my keyboard to instantly go through all the images in a folder is really nice, and fast
18:49:56<asie>afaik we're all hobbyists, you can't expect professional-level support from a bunch of hobbyists
18:50:02<nirv>right arrow + mouse scroll to zoom in
18:50:18<asie>that people have provided multiple, if not ideal, solutions is already more than anyone had to
18:50:36<nirv>yup definitely not denigrating the effort
18:50:55<nirv>I'm just not smart enough to do what I want to do all by myself. I've gotten a lot of help so far and I've been appreciative
18:50:58<asie>okay
18:51:00<asie>just making sure
18:51:00<nirv>I'm just a middle man here
18:51:10<asie>i'm used to minecraft modding where entitlement always went hand in hand with disrespect
18:51:12<asie>sorry
18:51:26<@JAA>By the way, if we were to archive GeoCities nowadays, it would be a bunch (probably ~15) WARC files, which I can guarantee you nobody would want to look at directly. (I work with WARC files daily, and I still hate them in terms of accessibility.)
18:51:43<@JAA>The Wayback Machine would effectively be the index in that case.
18:51:55<@JAA>Where you can then do prefix searches like the one I linked above.
18:51:56<nirv>dude I put jason scott's interview up on my channel because I WANT more people to check out the archive. it's great what you guys did. https://youtu.be/1hq-L6pzDxo
18:52:19<asie>i've used the geocities archive to crawl out more lost ZZT worlds. it was great for that
18:52:30<nirv>oh interesting
18:52:43<asie>but i essentially waited until a friend had a spare 2TB hard drive just lying around
18:52:51<nirv>I'm not doing any automation. I'm manually sifting through the files because I just dig the stuff I'm finding
18:52:54<asie>so yes that always was a bit of a problem
18:52:55<nirv>I miss that old internet
18:53:22<nirv>I'm going to keep sifting through it just to shove it in the cell phone generation's face. THIS is what the internet is! sharing!
18:53:24<nirv>:D
18:53:55<asie>the internet remains full of sharing. what is gone is the self-governance and resulting creativity
18:53:58<asie>and even then, not entirely
18:54:10<nirv>I wonder if there were doom maps in any of those geocities sites. I haven't even begun the search yet
18:54:33<nirv>I came across a guy who scanned his social security card AND his driver's license
18:54:43<asie>afaik the doom community was quite good about keeping track of as much as they could in their archives
18:54:53<asie>but yeah there are some doom WADs in the geocities archive
18:54:59<asie>inside ZIP files tho
18:55:02<nirv>ya
18:55:38<nirv>I bet there's a lot of juicy crap in there still waiting to be discovered. that's partly why I want to make it more accessible to the average PC user
18:56:03<asie>the geocities archive has been dug through and through over the past 13 years; what's much more fun and much less accessible is the broader Wayback
18:56:23<asie>the amount of stuff we found that we didn't even know existed, particularly 1998~2001, is interesting
18:56:25<nirv>out of all of the 7z extract commands I tried in linux, none of them worked right except this one: find . -type f -iname "*.7z.001" -exec 7z x -aos -o/home/nirv/ExtractedGeo {} \;
18:56:40<nirv>find . -type f -iname "*.7z.001" -exec 7z x -aos -o/home/nirv/ExtractedGeo {} \; <----------- NO average PC user is going to learn that on their own when they just want to get at the geo files
18:56:56<nirv>that's egyptian hieroglyphics right there
18:57:22<nirv>if that's not enough: oh BTW, you need to extract tar files too, asshole! good luck! *PC speaker laughing*
18:57:23<nirv>for i in * ; do tar -C /mnt/debian5tb -xkvf $i ; done
18:57:45<nirv>^ yeah, okay. roger that. roger wilco
18:58:21<@JAA>I mean, it's basically 'copy and paste this command into the terminal, adjust this bit if you want to put it in another place on your disk'.
18:58:31<nirv>I have an idea
18:58:33<nirv>right click extract
18:58:34<nirv>HEY
18:58:37<nirv>user friendly!
18:58:50<@JAA>Which isn't that different from giving someone instructions on how to install VirtualBox and import a VHD file...
18:59:09<nirv>virtualbox is so easy that if I were in a coma I'd still be able to get windows nt 4.0 installed
18:59:11<nirv>guaranteed
18:59:31<@JAA>What's hard about copying and pasting a command into a terminal?
18:59:39<Jake>^
18:59:39<nirv>where would one get that command exactly?
18:59:45<nirv>because it's not on any website I found
18:59:48<nirv>I had to come here to get it.
19:00:08<@JAA>Because nobody had asked about it in over a decade, I assume. It could be put on the wiki page, for example.
19:00:51<asie>my ZZT archival quest benefitted immensely from wayback and the internet archive, unfortunately now it's at the point of throwing e-mails at a wall and hoping someone still has 3.5" floppies
19:00:58<asie>heh
19:00:59<nirv>well, you have to know virtualbox to even get the geo torrent correctly anyway. well, you COULD get it in windows but you'd need to know it's case sensitive first which means you need to do some powershell commands
19:01:16<nirv>you'd need to know ahead of time
19:01:24<@JAA>Yeah, 90% of your hate here should be directed at Microsoft for making that stupid case sensitivity decision years ago.
19:01:31<nirv>no, it is dude
19:01:40<@JAA>I literally don't know of any other operating system/file system that has this.
19:01:46<nirv>in fact, I wish there was a windows command to make ALL of your drives casesensitive
19:01:51<nirv>but there isn't. it's PER folder
19:02:00<@JAA>Hmm, isn't there a flag on NTFS?
19:02:14<nirv>you run powershell
19:02:15<nirv>Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName Microsoft-Windows-Subsystem-Linux
19:02:19<nirv>reboot then
19:02:25<nirv>fsutil.exe file SetCaseSensitiveInfo G:\temp\geocities\ enable
19:02:26<nirv>whatever
19:02:44<nirv>THEN you begin to download the torrent. in the folder you enabled that is
19:03:08<nirv>I remember trying that
19:03:13<nirv>and I had some other problem that I long forgot of now
19:03:18<nirv>but it was just one problem after the next in windows
19:03:25<nirv>which is why I threw my hands up and got unbuntu
19:03:30<nirv>then more problems, Jake. yes. more problems
19:03:44<nirv>I chose ubuntu with Deluge as a torrent client. BIG MISTAKE
19:04:00<nirv>I couldn't find a repair or verify files option in Deluge
19:04:12<nirv>I'm not going to go into it. you avoided voice
19:04:18<nirv>but oh BOY you'd have gotten an earful mister
19:04:29<@JAA>Deluge has that. I don't remember where because it's been years since I used it, but it has that for sure.
19:04:38<nirv>but again
19:04:40<nirv>as I mentioned today
19:04:45<nirv>even IF you can verify files
19:04:50<nirv>there ARE still broken files. I found one today
19:06:13<nirv>if I ever get a large archive ever again
19:06:25<nirv>this experience has taught me that you need extremely fast hard drives
19:06:34<nirv>those 18TB USB 3.0 drives are way too slow
19:07:06<@JAA>Yeah, or two of them so that you don't read and write on the same disk at the same time. That causes it to seek around all the time, which slows it down massively.
19:07:09<nirv>my 2TB WD 850sn NVME is insanely fast, but it's too small for an archive like this. my regular platter hdds also are too full to do it
19:07:14<nirv>yup
19:07:42<nirv>this archive was pissing me off so much I went out and bought 3 18TB hard drives at once. three
19:08:06<nirv>I SHOULD have bought faster internal drives but whatever
19:09:15<nirv>when I'm done with this maybe I can give back by helping with that warrior VM image or whatever. looks pretty USER FRIENDLY TO ME
19:09:19nirv glares a Jake
19:09:30<nirv>https://c.tenor.com/IyEq_7f8WuYAAAAC/predator-laser-eyes.gif
19:10:08<@JAA>Looked around a bit, and yeah, apparently there's no way to make the Windows API case-sensitive system-wide. It would probably also break lots of shit because of poorly written software all around.
19:10:34<@JAA>(The problem isn't NTFS, just the Windows API.)
19:12:24<nirv>yeah that kinda blows. there is no good reason I can think of to restrict filenames like that out of the gate
19:12:44<nirv>maybe I'll find the reason why in this "Showstopper" book I'm reading right now about the development of Windows NT with Dave Cutler
19:14:18<nirv>my troubles with linux wouldn't be as bad if there was a way to start, stop, and continue extracting all files in a folder in the same order
19:14:57<nirv>the 7z -> tar extraction jumps so wildly. if the extraction stopped at any point, I wouldn't even know where or how to continue. it's crap like that that's the most unfriendly
19:15:21<@JAA>Same thing with Windows restricting the use of : < > etc. in filenames. It sucks.
19:15:41<@JAA>I love Unixoid systems where there are exactly two bytes that can't be used. Slashes and NUL bytes.
19:15:58<nirv>there was a song years ago by a small canadian group called "three dead trolls in a baggie" or something. they wrote a song called Every OS Sucks
19:16:22<nirv>♪ from microsoft to macintosh to lin-line-lin-line-nux! every computer crashes, 'cause every OS sucks
19:17:08<@JAA>Even better in Windows is that you can't name a file 'con', 'aux', and a bunch of other things.
19:17:47<nirv>AHAH I never knew that. funny
19:18:20<nirv>at least I can mount an NTFS windows drive in debian and extract the geocities archive to it
19:18:42<nirv>without that ability, I'd be sandbagging my house
19:18:44<nirv>hoooo boy!
19:19:21<nirv>that's why I like virtualbox. It gives me the ability to mess around with crap like that that I've never not never not do before
19:19:39<nirv>that makes me curious now. I wonder if through linux I can make a file named con or aux
19:19:44nirv rubs hands violently
19:20:03<nirv>ahh I shouldn't try it. probably will delete all my geocities files in retaliation. goddamned compooters
19:21:15<@JAA>If I had to guess, it's just another Windows API limitation.
19:21:36<nirv>yeah but if I were able to make an aux file on the ntfs drive and load that drive back up in windows
19:21:39<nirv>black hole creation?
19:22:28<@JAA>One way to find out.
19:22:33<nirv>nice folder structure, geocities! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/955084145862770698/unknown.png
19:22:44<nirv>or maybe that's linux telling me something
19:22:48<nirv>(kidding)
19:25:18<nirv>Jake, I'm sure you knew this, but it's already a pretty common thing to do. https://archive.org/details/windows_95_vdi
19:25:42<@JAA>Here's a hint at what happens if you create a file containing a colon on NTFS: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-remove-colon-from-filename-in-windows-7/022c6cc4-3444-e011-9767-d8d385dcbb12
19:25:49<Jake>VDIs in general? Sure.
19:26:00<Jake>That's a very specific item as well, to emulate Windows 95.
19:26:08<Jake>(180M as well)
19:26:10<nirv>I love that someone can do all the work and install a bunch of stuff in an old OS and upload the VDI for people to just easily load up. but I also understand how someone would want to do it all themselves. i think both options are better than one
19:26:30<@JAA>Last time I checked, GeoCities wasn't an OS.
19:26:33<Jake>You must see the difference between that and a 1.5TB VDI?
19:26:34<nirv>ACTUALLY
19:26:36<nirv>FUCKING ACTUALLY
19:26:53<nirv>the shit you need to even sift through the data isn't ready to go in windows.
19:26:57<nirv>pdf? Sumatra.
19:27:00<nirv>images? imageglass
19:27:11<nirv>better way going through folders? totalcommander
19:27:13<nirv>it will all be there
19:27:56<nirv>Jake, you keep saying 1.5TB. it's only 1.5TB for ME personally right now until I figure out the REAL size of the extracted files and why linux was saying "DISK FULL" at 400GB on a 1TB fixed vdi.
19:28:17<nirv>going from 641GB compressed archives to a 1TB vhd file seems like a big size difference
19:28:30<nirv>but it's NOTHING compared to the BDSM ball gag pain I've been through the last month
19:28:43<nirv>I'm talking no astroglide tooling over a tree stump dude
19:28:52<nirv>I'm not being cavalier
19:29:05<nirv>I'm saying this has been a tooling I've not yet experienced on computers
19:29:18<spirit>that's the great thing with archiveteam stuff, you learn a lot
19:29:51<@JAA>I don't think VHD files have compression, do they?
19:30:07<nirv>I don't know. it's a whole other thing I have to learn
19:30:17<nirv>the 1TB VDI file TRUCKED out on me at around 400GB used
19:30:26<nirv>the 1.5TB VHD has not trucked out on me yet
19:30:49<nirv>/dev/sdb2 1.5T 890G 647G 58% /mnt/wingeo
19:31:01<nirv>I'm up to 647GB used on the vhd file so far
19:31:14<nirv>didn't make it that far with 1TB VDI for some odd reason. whole different issue
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19:32:58<nirv>oh excuse me. 890GB has been used so far on the 1.5TB drive
19:33:16<nirv>I'm SO close to fully extracting the files
19:34:09<nirv>I still don't have an answer (well, I guess some of the 641GB torrent files are trucked) as to why when it did finally seemingly fully extract yesterday, I was still missing folders that I SOMEHOW had on my windows drive
19:34:25<Jake>(I don't believe they compress at all) but, you must see how even a 890GB VDI isn't very accessible for the average person? Regardless, we disagree, and from the entire conversation, I don't think we will be agreeing on this any time soon.
19:35:09<nirv>I was doing a split screen side by side of my main windows PC particial geocites extract folder structure vs the VHD win10 virtualbox geocities folder structure and noticed it was missing folders. pissed me off
19:35:25<nirv>well look
19:35:55<nirv>you go well beyond 890GB even if you only download the 641GB torrent. because you extract the 7z, but then you extract the tars after that
19:35:58<nirv>now think about it
19:36:02<nirv>if you're really low on space
19:36:10<nirv>and you extract the 7z files to tars, and DELETE THE TORRENT FILES
19:36:13<nirv>you just fucked yourself
19:36:29<nirv>because as we established today, the torrent files aren't even complete even if they say they are!
19:36:55<nirv>so you trying to SAVE SPACE by deleting the torrent files yet you have these TAR files now that you're still not done with yet that you have to extract
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19:37:14<nirv>you'll end up extracting the same 950~ GB collection no matter which route you go
19:37:21<nirv>the easist will be a freaking VHD file
19:37:42<nirv>if this were 2001 and you have 5Mbps internet speed, yeah, the size difference is huge
19:38:06<nirv>but it's 2022. you could do this 1TB download entirely on your phone
19:38:08<nirv>and in fact
19:38:10<nirv>even YOU guys
19:38:26<nirv>you geeks. you computer experts. you technology understanders might even prefer my VHD file!
19:38:38<nirv>because of how I will sell it in the included youtube tutorial video :D
19:39:29<nirv>Yes folks, even YOU can sift through the wonderful collection of Geocities files from the late 90s and early 2000s! This VHD file includes EVERYTHING you need to get started all at an introductary price of $0! YES! ZERO DOLLARS DOWN ZERO DOWN PAYMENT ABSOLUTELY FREE
19:39:52<nirv>you'll be leeching my VHD LICKETY SPLIT
19:40:15<nirv>see even Jake is thinking about it now
19:43:14<nirv>let me put it this way
19:43:34<nirv>I'm not saying I'm the best guide maker on youtube or anything
19:44:03<nirv>but I tried to follow a variety of guides on getting Direct3D working correctly in a certain virtualbox version with windows 2000
19:44:10<nirv>it is possible to do, but it's a little tricky
19:44:27<nirv>NONE of the freaking tutorials worked right. a lot of people comment on all of them "It's not working for me." and they're right
19:44:38<nirv>so I got fed up recently and FINALLY figured out how to do it
19:44:49<nirv>and I put out a video that's understandable and followable. FINALLY
19:44:49<nirv>https://youtu.be/D0v68f2aCFc
19:44:55<nirv>it's DONE.
19:45:11<nirv>no more confusion. no more pissed off people in the comments. they can now actually follow a guide that works
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19:46:30<nirv>no, the video isn't monetized and I don't ask people to like or subscribe. I just do crap like that because it bugs me when nobody can give instructions correctly and just waste people's time
19:47:57<nirv>again, I am not denigrating anybody here at all. I just think it's far too complex for most people to do and I'd like to make it more accessible at the cost of a larger download. I strongly believe more people will get to enjoy the collection this way
19:48:25<nirv>there is no up to date working guide on this and I don't know if there will ever be. it's far too big of a project. there are way too many variables
19:49:20<nirv>in fact, rewby made me realize that some of the tutorials I WAS following online were actually fucking up my files. I did not realize a lot of the guides were made for the OLD, UNPATCHED torrent set.
19:50:16<@JAA>19:39:24 < nirv> if this were 2001 and you have 5Mbps internet speed, yeah, the size difference is huge -- The problem is that you *do* have 5 Mb/s internet speed *to the Internet Archive*. Effectively, anyway, unless you're in the Bay Area on a nicely connected network.
19:50:41<nirv>it's been one month and I'm still not done
19:50:51<@JAA>And I can guarantee you that I will never prefer a Windows VM VHD file. :-)
19:50:54<nirv>could I download the 1TB in one month at that speed? i bet you could
19:51:03<@JAA>Nope
19:51:07<nirv><@JAA> And I can guarantee you that I will never prefer a Windows VM VHD file. :-) well get you Mr. Vanderbilt
19:51:09<@JAA>Because it's not even 5 Mb/s.
19:51:20<@JAA>300 kB/s is a common speed I've seen on downloads.
19:51:40<nirv>so what would you suggest? I make a PATCHED PATCHED torrent?
19:51:57<nirv>even if I don't release a VHD file for people
19:52:06<nirv>I am doing this for myself
19:53:29<nirv>even if you cleaned up the 7z/tar files to not be case sensitive and to not be essentially double stacked/archived. that wouldn't solve issues with people extracting it in windows to limited file systems
19:53:52<nirv>because although I have not confirmed myself, I had heard that possibly some of the actual geocities files (html, gif, jpg etc) are casesensitive named
19:54:11<nirv>so no matter what, the person would need to set up their folder correctly in windows.
19:54:18<@JAA>Yeah, I'd be surprised if that *wasn't* the case.
19:54:43<@JAA>And the case sensitivity knob on Windows doesn't even translate to subdirectories, so extracting it gets fun.
19:54:50<nirv>actually it does
19:54:51<nirv>I confirmed it
19:54:58<nirv>because that was a concern with me of course
19:55:05<@JAA>Interesting, some of the docs I saw suggested otherwise.
19:55:09<nirv>if it didn't translate to all subdirectories, I wouldn't even be doing this in windows
19:55:48<@JAA>Anyway, what would I do? Avoid Windows, build an index which points to one of the existing mirrors (or run my own mirror), and then widely share the existence of that index.
19:55:48<nirv>that may have been the case before, but in a certain version of windows 10, unsure which, the powershell case sensitive command began working for subdirectories in the dir you enabled it on
19:55:59<@JAA>Because it still sounds like an indexing issue to me. :-)
19:56:29<nirv>I'm not denigrating linux, but I defy anybody to show me a linux image viewer as fast and as good as imageglass
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19:57:43<@JAA>This is just for producing the index. The end product would just be a web page or website. And then you can do whatever fancy image and PDF viewing you want with HTML5 and CSS (or JS if need be).
19:58:05<nirv>JAA, see how fast I'm going through the images and folders here? also take note of the clarity of the images as I zoom in. I have not found a single linux image viewer that compares. https://youtu.be/pFhLYaqGeMA?t=2220
19:58:37<nirv>either the image viewers in linux are too slow to zoom and are unchangable, or they use some sort of BILINEAR filtering or NEAREST or something which makes the tiny geocities images look like BUTT
19:58:52<nirv>I mean the backspace button doesn't even fucking work to GO BACK A FOLDER IN THE LINUX FILE VIEWER
19:58:53<nirv>HI
19:58:57<nirv>HI. LET ME QUICKLY GO BACK A FOLDER. nope
19:59:00<nirv>it's unusable
19:59:30<@JAA>There is no 'the Linux file viewer'.
19:59:37<@JAA>It works on the one I use (from XFCE).
19:59:50<ThreeHM>Works in KDE too
20:00:09<nirv>I have a huge 3840x1600 38" monitor dude. I NEED the be able to zoom into these tiny 10x8 resolution geocities images. and windows is easily the best/fastest option
20:01:04<nirv>double click an image. right arrow to cycle through images. escape to close imageglass. backspace to back up a folder. arrow keys to go up and down the file list. enter to go in
20:01:19<@JAA>I haven't worked with a large number of image files for a while and don't remember what tool I used at the time.
20:01:57<nirv>well, I tried like 3 or 4 different "image viewers" people recommended.
20:02:16<nirv>none of them matched the experience in windows. so that's when I decided the VHD needs to be of windows origin
20:02:38<nirv>I like linux and I definitely use it for things, but I know nothing of linux and neither do most people
20:02:58<nirv>the deepest I know of linux are a little bit of IPTABLES because I block chunks of IP addressess sometimes SSHing into my DDWRT router
20:03:04<nirv>that's still no real deep knowledge though
20:03:26<@JAA>How many people know ImageGlass though? Pretty sure that's quite a niche tool.
20:03:27<nirv>I know the top command in linux. and ls. that's about it
20:03:31<nirv>AH HAAAAA
20:03:33<nirv>I'm glad you said that
20:03:45<@JAA>So you'd need to find the similar niche tool in the Linux world. Because there are many tools like that.
20:03:46<nirv>why do you think VHD PRE-PACKAGED READY TO GO INSTANT VIEWING
20:04:29<nirv>I have a vision for this. it may not be grand like a MUSEUM OF GEOCITIES. although that'd be cool, I'm not doing that shit.
20:04:32<@JAA>'Instant' after the 2 months of 24/7 downloading, yes. :-)
20:04:39<nirv>oh you smart ass son of a B
20:04:52<nirv>look
20:05:01<nirv>I'm coming at this from a user's perspective
20:05:23<nirv>I think people would rather just wait around twiddling their thumbs than to put up with the crap I did
20:05:43<nirv>they'd actually probably be worse off because they wouldn't even know what IRC is to even get here
20:06:25<@JAA>Two questions from a user's perspective: Does the average user even have 1 TB of storage, let alone free storage? Is the average user willing to buy a hard drive just to be able to rummage through a TB of (mostly) random crap from the 90s?
20:06:46<@JAA>Or would the average user prefer to open a web page and start exploring immediately?
20:07:11<spirit>oh just let him have fun
20:07:35<nirv>Easily they'd rather have a website up with everything there BUT
20:08:08<nirv>you know as well as I do websites go down. I don't think a 1TB file of a geocities collection is appealing to most people
20:08:21<nirv>unless you can convince them that it's interesting and worthy of sifting through
20:08:32<nirv>which I will in a video, because I actually believe it. It's insanely interesting shit dude
20:08:44<nirv>do you know how many CPS I get when I'm sifting through geocities data?
20:08:49<nirv>CPS meaning claps per second.
20:08:51<nirv>I LOVE it
20:09:00<nirv>those people? they are my people.
20:10:55<@JAA>Well yes, the index site would inevitably vanish. But an index can be built such that it doesn't require a server to operate (just to serve static files), and then it can easily be put into the Wayback Machine to work Forever™. Also, an index would be small, so it could be put into an IA item, and if it's static files, it's trivial to get up and running again by someone else in the future.
20:11:02<nirv>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/943249092392415272/best.gif
20:11:06<nirv>haha come on. that's AWESOME. admit it
20:11:18<nirv>I'm going to use that as the thumbnail of my next youtube stream. sick of cell phones
20:11:22<@JAA>All you'd need then is a download of the index and a HTTP server of static files. `python3 -m http.server` would do for personal use.
20:11:46<nirv>wait there. it's a bit bigger now. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/957371265725911100/unknown.png
20:11:50<nirv>I LOVE charming shit like that dude
20:11:57<nirv>and if anyone disagrees, I'll kick their ass
20:12:06<nirv>I'm just kidding around
20:12:39<nirv>JAA, well look you're the technical expert here. I don't know jack about that sort of crap. I'm not an archiver in the same sense you guys are. I am a consumer really.
20:13:09<nirv>I DO have archived files I've been saving since the 90s, but I'm not as passionate as you guys are. I just love going through stuff like this though
20:13:54<nirv>for me, I obviously never went to every geocities site back in the day, but I've been to enough of them that I have almost NO interest in seeing "how they were"
20:14:11<nirv>like a 1:1 version of it. I just want to go through the raw files. I think that's the meat of it
20:14:12<@JAA>Oh agreed, I love this shit as well. But even I probably wouldn't want to wait 2 months to browse through it unless I was actively searching for something I care a lot about.
20:15:04<nirv>Well, part of me wanted to see if you guys archived MY geocities site, or perhaps some of my friends/girlfriend. But more importantly, I wanted to remember how awesome the internet used to be. What we liked back then. What we cared about. How we behaved on the internet
20:15:37<nirv>mostly so I can use it as ammunition against all of the ebegging copyright loving current generation who thinks they own stupid videos they upload to youtube and will "copyright strike" me if I mirror their stupid shit
20:15:44<nirv>pardon me.
20:16:10nirv puts shotgun back up sleeve
20:16:49<nirv>I think it's hilarious that somebody, somehow, animated tiny little 2x4 resolution pixel art trains
20:16:57<nirv>like ONE PIXEL will fucking blink on top of the train
20:17:02<nirv>somebody ANIMATED THAT
20:17:11<nirv>it's so goddamned charming dude
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20:19:37<nirv>I increased it by 500%, but somebody on geocities made this cute, tiny little BNSF train. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/957373185400119386/unknown.png
20:19:53<nirv>I'm almost in tears seeing some of the stuff here
20:20:18<nirv>that's why I care enough to force somebody to download 1TB from IA to go through this shit.
20:20:48<nirv>they can choose the torrent route which is chasity belt ball gag, or they can chose the 1TB VHD route, which is like a light spanking.
20:22:22<@JAA>I'm just thinking about how to make it a whirlpool. :-)
20:22:41<nirv>https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197420215363960832/957374023627595866/unknown.png
20:22:46<nirv>aww aren't they cute?
20:22:53<nirv>I'm a DUDE and I think those are cute.
20:22:57<nirv>okay? you pulled it out of me
20:23:30<nirv>man
20:23:36<nirv>there's a sick side of geocities that I knew nothing about dude
20:23:43<nirv>but I still appreciate it in a weird way
20:24:14<nirv>I don't know how widespread it ultimately became, but several mothers who lost their children at birth would post pictures of the dead, stillborn kid in sad people's arms from the hospital
20:24:19<nirv>then they'd post pictures buying it
20:24:28<nirv>and creating memorials for it and things
20:24:35<nirv>it's really fucking sad. depressess the shit out of me
20:24:42<nirv>but there were tons of them. I saw several CORPSES
20:25:07<nirv>but I actually appreciate the internet was that honest. people weren't afraid to express their true feelings, however heartbreaking
20:26:04<nirv>there are so many stories in each folder man
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20:27:19<nirv>when I finally confirm that I have 100% of the torrent files and I can actually extract both sets without a hiccup, THEN I will work on compressing or doing something else to make it more available to people.
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20:30:05<nirv>I'm not sure what you're envisioning, JAA, but personally, as I go through these files, I for some reason do it in partial isolation. I feel like I don't want any of the geocities files in my browser window at all.
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20:30:50<nirv>if there was a way to fix all of the html files in the actual files so you can sort of emulate the real geocities all locally on your hdd, that'd be kinda neat I guess. like a museum
20:31:08<nirv>but I kind of like self contained things for that. separate sandboxes I suppose. I don't know.
20:31:30<nirv>I've been having a lot of fun with PC emulators and virtualbox lately. it puts me in real nostalgic moods.
20:31:55<nirv>I load up Windows XP with Microsoft Encarta Africana with networking disabled and I'm transported to a different world.
20:32:07<nirv>since gaming is over, this is what I've been doing lately for fun.
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20:34:51<nirv>speaking of geocities, did you know some guy made a PC game called Hypnospace that drew a lot of its inspiration from the old internet? you probably heard of it. https://youtu.be/RpdebcNgpBk?t=285
20:35:21<nirv>I'm not impressed by it at all. I think it's a slap in the face to the real internet. it's nothing like it.
20:35:30<nirv>I'd rather browse the real thing
20:36:15<nirv>like, it's not even funny or creative really. I watched like an hour of "gameplay" so far and it's really dullsville I think
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23:18:13<nirv>well I was just sifting through winworld forums and I found this to be apropos
23:18:22<nirv>"When "preservation" hinders accessibility" https://forum.winworldpc.com/discussion/13538/when-preservation-hinders-accessibility
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23:53:01<systwi>bonga: How much do you want to bet somebody 15 years from now will make a video on their rare Windows 11 ice cream. :P
23:56:47<systwi>Made with 100% proprietary ingredients, and requires an internet connection to take the first bite.

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